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Posted by Dyre Dan on Mon Sep 22 07:49:34 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Sep 21 23:09:15 2014. Correction: Thameslink, not London Underground |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Sep 22 10:32:55 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Nilet on Mon Sep 22 01:31:01 2014. NSA - some of it's necessary but needs to be cut backTSA - necessary but needs to be more common-sensical in operation Drones - necessary - better than boots on the ground Iraq - big mistake Afghanistan - as home of alQaeda and Taliban, good that we went in, but glad we are getting out Snowden, etc. - I have no sympathy for them whatsoever Classified - too much of that, but that's been always true. But this discussion belongs on OTChat. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Sep 22 10:34:25 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Express Rider on Mon Sep 22 06:38:52 2014. Excellent post. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Sep 22 10:55:16 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by italianstallion on Mon Sep 22 10:32:55 2014. +100 |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Sep 22 19:53:27 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by AlM on Sun Sep 21 11:54:57 2014. Singapore is extreme on both sides, though:Liberal extremes: Caught with 2 illegal guns? = Drug trafficking -> Death penalty. Racism? Hefty fines. Conservative extremes: Virtually no consumer protection laws. The "invisible hand of the free market" is almost unrestrained. Bipartisan extremes: Drug trafficking? Death Penalty Vandalism? Public caning Criticize the government? Jail The funny thing is, this system completely works. Singapore was actually a great place to stay in. Probably because anyone who is unhappy with the way things are is in jail. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Sep 22 20:01:29 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Sep 22 19:53:27 2014. Oh yeah a few other things:No minimum wage Virtually no unemployment Public transit is privately operated, costs about as much as Mexico (cheapest fare would be about $0.50) yet is extremely clean and efficient Consistently ranks top among "least corrupt nations" in the world. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Sep 22 21:09:54 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Sep 22 19:53:27 2014. Probably because anyone who is unhappy with the way things are is in jail.My wife has a friend who has never been in jail, whose home city is Singapore, and who has lived in NYC for about 10 years. She strongly prefers NYC because Singapore is too dull. It also has universal health insurance. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Sep 22 21:56:24 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Sep 22 19:53:27 2014. Conservative extremes:Virtually no consumer protection laws. The "invisible hand of the free market" is almost unrestrained. That's not conservative at all, nor a free market. That's cronyism. Temasek Holdings is proof against your claim. When was the last time you saw something labeled "Made In Singapore" in the USA? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Sep 22 23:45:18 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Sep 22 19:53:27 2014. One reason it can work (if it does) is that it's a very small country, really just a city, with a homogeneous population. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Mon Sep 22 23:53:09 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by italianstallion on Mon Sep 22 10:34:25 2014. Thank you! |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 23 07:33:14 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Joe V on Sat Sep 20 10:18:58 2014. You don't fly? Sucks for you! Flying is awesome! |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 23 07:34:03 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Sep 20 11:54:40 2014. No. If you boycott NYP then you won't get a good seat on the train. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 23 07:34:39 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by AlM on Sat Sep 20 06:41:48 2014. Wrong. The TSA is already there. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 23 07:43:05 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 21 14:36:05 2014. Nope. And no they're not. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 23 07:48:57 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by 600vdc on Sun Sep 21 14:50:48 2014. Huh??? At Philly 30th they let the single file line down to the platform BEFORE the train arrives, IME, thus allowing you to position yourself along the platform to get a good seat when the train does arrive. It also means you don't need to stand in the line at all. I stay on the benches until the line is almost clear and then I walk right down the stairs to the platform. No harm no foul.And at NYP you can easily and consistently board from the lower level. So there should be problems taking Amtrak between NYC and Philly. So can you explain why you can't solve your problems by doing what I just explained? |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 23 07:57:33 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 23 07:48:57 2014. *Correction: "So there should be NO problems..." |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 23 07:59:50 2014, in response to "House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process", posted by Joe V on Fri Sep 19 19:29:13 2014. Hmm, maybe this has something to do with why they suddenly started performing better crowd control at NYP the past few months... |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 23 08:06:15 2014, in response to "House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process", posted by Joe V on Fri Sep 19 19:29:13 2014. I'm slightly surprised that anyone besides Railfans noticed/realized this issue. But I'm VERY surprised than anyone besides Railfans actually cares about this issue. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Sep 23 08:18:32 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 23 07:33:14 2014. LION flies because it is fast. It is NOT convenient. It is an all-day affair. Riding train is a three day affair.LION must take three planes through two hubs (DIK 2 ABE). Him checks bags because him wants to lug nothing through the terminals. Him pays for an economy upgrade to a most forward seat on the MSP 2 DET segment and for zone 1 boarding. Him gets very antsy if him is in the back of the coach cabin. LIONS cannot stand in a line very long before him begins to EAT the people in front of (burp) him. Flight is an evil necessity. Him pays more to smooth it out. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Sep 23 08:20:06 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 23 07:34:03 2014. Good Seat?You get either a window seat or an isle seat. What is wrong with that! ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Sep 23 08:20:58 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 23 07:34:39 2014. LION send TSA back to Moscow! Him take chances with bombs.ROAR |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 23 08:28:02 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Sep 23 08:18:32 2014. You have issues. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 23 08:28:48 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Sep 23 08:20:06 2014. Plenty. You're not a railfan (or at least not a knowledgeable one) so you wouldn't know/understand. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 23 08:29:56 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Sep 23 08:20:58 2014. No. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Sep 23 09:27:41 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 23 07:34:03 2014. Depends if it's a train with reserved seating or not, of course. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Sep 23 09:29:04 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 23 07:48:57 2014. And at NYP you can easily and consistently board from the lower level.Last time I looked there were some hostile looking no trespassing signs at the heads of the stairs leading down to Amtrak platforms from the LIRR concourse level. |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Sep 23 09:35:08 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by AlM on Tue Sep 23 09:27:41 2014. Every Amtrak train out of NYP is now reserved. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Sep 23 11:30:33 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 23 08:28:02 2014. Of course LION has issues! so do ewe.ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Sep 23 11:31:59 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 23 08:28:48 2014. Well, besides a window seat or an isle seat what is the deal for a railfan. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Sep 23 11:33:21 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 23 08:29:56 2014. No? It was a statement of fact. LION would rather run the chance of a bomb than to deal with TSA. That is an opinion. It is not yes or no.Maybe YOU are worried about bombs, but the LION is not. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Sep 23 11:34:35 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by R30A on Tue Sep 23 09:35:08 2014. This is true, but it is not an assigned seat such as on an airlion.AMTK should have ASSIGNED seating if they want to pretend that are an airlion. ROAR |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 23 12:56:52 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Sep 23 11:31:59 2014. Window seat (sometimes a table seat), on the preferred side of the train, in the preferred car of the train |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 23 12:58:55 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Sep 23 11:34:35 2014. Conductors and "car attendants" on Amtrak have the discretion of assigning seating—but that's only after passengers have boarded. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 23 12:59:19 2014, in response to "House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process", posted by Joe V on Fri Sep 19 19:29:13 2014. Ezra Klein, really? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 23 12:59:26 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by AlM on Tue Sep 23 09:27:41 2014. You mean assigned seating, right? None of the trains have strict assigned seats at NYP that I know of, though for some/many long distance trains they tell you to sit in a certain car or cars, or within a certain group of seats within a certain car, based on destination.But even with those restrictions, you still can get a better seat at NYP than at other stations. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 23 13:00:41 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by AlM on Tue Sep 23 09:29:04 2014. Last time I looked there were some hostile looking no trespassing signs at the heads of the stairs leading down to Amtrak platforms from the LIRR concourse level.So board from the Exit Concourse or the NJT concourse. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 23 13:03:10 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Sep 23 11:30:33 2014. But not the issues you have. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 23 13:04:30 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Sep 23 11:33:21 2014. That's stupid. You shouldn't totally disregard bombs. You should create a plan that balances security with sanity. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Sep 23 13:26:27 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 23 13:00:41 2014. The Exit Concourse level is the LIRR level. I'm not convinced NJT works either. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 23 13:38:20 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by AlM on Tue Sep 23 13:26:27 2014. You said LIRR Concourse. The Exit Concourse is not the LIRR Concourse.Amtrak trains use tracks shared with LIRR and NJT. If you can use the stairs to board an LIRR or NJT train, then you can use the stairs to board an Amtrak train. I know of no rules or regulations that state that you must board an Amtrak train from the upper level Amtrak staircases/escalators. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Sep 23 13:38:25 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 23 07:34:39 2014. According to some posts on this topic some time ago, there was a TSA presence at some Amtrak locations and Amtrak was so dissatisfied with that presence thai it kicked the TSA out. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 23 13:39:10 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by randyo on Tue Sep 23 13:38:25 2014. I will look into this further. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Sep 23 13:48:20 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 23 13:38:20 2014. You said LIRR Concourse.No I didn't. I said LIRR Concourse level. I know of no rules or regulations that state that you must board an Amtrak train from the upper level Amtrak staircases/escalators. The "rule" is the signs at the Exit Councourse (which is on the same level as the LIRR Councourse) that say "No Trespassing. No unauthorized personnel permitted." You can argue that if you have a ticket you are authorized. However, these are hostile signs because you can't be 100% sure your argument will be accepted. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Sep 23 14:34:11 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 23 13:03:10 2014. Of course not. Issues are unique.ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Sep 23 14:35:07 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 23 13:04:30 2014. BOOM |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 23 14:37:45 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by AlM on Tue Sep 23 13:48:20 2014. No I didn't. I said LIRR Concourse level.I know. But LIRR Concourse it a proper noun. Adding "level" made it ambiguous, especially since I already called it the "lower level". The "rule" is the signs at the Exit Councourse (which is on the same level as the LIRR Councourse) that say "No Trespassing. No unauthorized personnel permitted."There's a "no trespassing" sign halfway up Stair X at NYP. I think such signs at NYP may be trivial. You can argue that if you have a ticket you are authorized. However, these are hostile signs because you can't be 100% sure your argument will be accepted.I would argue that based upon how much effort Amtrak expends up in the Amtrak Concourse, the fact that many people board from the lower level must be known to Amtrak and they must purposely allow it to continue. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 23 15:19:27 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 23 12:56:52 2014. Why? Do some cars go a different way? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 23 15:20:29 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Sep 23 14:35:07 2014. Heh |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 23 15:26:47 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 23 15:19:27 2014. Sometimes, but that's not why. Some possible reasons are to be near a certain staircase upon exit to the platform, to be able to be near the locomotive for running off to take photos at smoke breaks, to be able to sit near the railfan window or the anti-railfan window, and to sit near or not near the locomotive for noise reasons. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Sep 25 17:58:11 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by italianstallion on Mon Sep 22 10:32:55 2014. NSA - some of it's necessary but needs to be cut backHow much? TSA - necessary but needs to be more common-sensical in operation What do you propose? Drones - necessary - better than boots on the ground Worse than leaving well enough alone. How would you like it if your entire family was murdered by remote control from thousands of miles away at your wedding? Iraq - big mistake Indeed, though one Obama and his fellow wingnuts seem intent on repeating. Afghanistan - as home of alQaeda and Taliban, good that we went in, but glad we are getting out Al Qaeda was gone by 2002 or 2003 at the latest. Shouldn't we have left then? It's not like the Taliban ever posed a threat to us. Snowden, etc. - I have no sympathy for them whatsoever So you support mass spying, the assassination of journalists, and the torture of US citizens? Or are you simply miffed that Snowden, Manning, and Kiriakou made you aware these things were happening? I reiterate my earlier statement: People like you are the reason the Constitution was repealed in all but name. Classified - too much of that, but that's been always true. There's too much of that, but you oppose every attempt to reduce it? Look, it is a physical fact that the United States tortured political prisoners and then declared this to be classified. When Obama came into office, should he have declassified this information? If yes, what's wrong with Kiriakou blowing the whistle on it? |
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