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Posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 21 07:58:44 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Bl2dny on Sat Sep 20 22:34:23 2014. It can be, unless there is an Amtrak cop killing time at the top of the stairs in the exit concourse to chase you away.Then head for the NJT concourse or an ADA elevator. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 21 09:45:56 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Sep 20 08:40:22 2014. They are no different than the MTA. It's not a business. While Amtrak likes to say they are "for profit", the fact is that they have never turned one and never try to. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 21 09:58:59 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 21 09:45:56 2014. Why is it not a business just because they don't turn a profit?You're saying when you take the train to DC you're not patronizing a business, but when you take a plane you are. Is Malaysia Airlines (to pick one of many) also not a business? When Air Canada was privatized, did it convert from "not a business" to "a business"? |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 21 10:47:07 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 21 09:45:56 2014. "not for profit" does not equate to "not a business" |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Sep 21 11:35:30 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 21 09:45:56 2014. Have they ever said they'd like to turn a profit?Congress sure does because they don't know better. Congress wants Amtrak to fail. The only reason why we still have it is because "We, the People", want it. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Sep 21 11:45:09 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 21 01:21:22 2014. You mean like the smoke at the WTC on 9/11?Yup, terrorism is totally made up. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 21 11:48:13 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by italianstallion on Sun Sep 21 11:45:09 2014. Obviously the London Underground bombings didn't happen, because he didn't see the smoke. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Sep 21 11:48:38 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by AlM on Sun Sep 21 11:48:13 2014. Heh. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Sep 21 11:48:45 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Sep 21 11:35:30 2014. Congress wants Amtrak to failThat's technically already happened. And people wonder why I say that liberals hate passenger rail. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 21 11:54:57 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Olog-hai on Sun Sep 21 11:48:45 2014. And people wonder why I say that liberals hate passenger rail.Given your claim that most of Congress is liberal, then the conclusion that liberals hate passenger rail almost follows. Why do you want to live in a country where so many people are liberal? People are a lot more conservative in Saudi Arabia, for example. But if you want to avoid too many Muslims, maybe Singapore would do the trick for you. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 21 11:58:18 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Olog-hai on Sun Sep 21 11:48:45 2014. Which is why you don't know what you are talking nor have a basic gasp of political definitions because it is the Republicans who vote to kill it at every opportunity. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 21 12:20:50 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Sep 20 22:52:44 2014. PATH from Herald Square is time-consuming, and on weekends can take an hour.Best way to combat this is to take advantage of loopholes: LIRR, NJT, Exit, and West End concourses when and where track numbers coincide, plus ADA elevators. They can't put a cop everywhere to turn you around. When enough people defy them, they lose and look stupid(er). |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Sep 21 12:22:32 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Olog-hai on Sun Sep 21 11:48:45 2014. People don't wonder at all. We know exactly why you say that. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 21 13:01:36 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Joe V on Sat Sep 20 10:18:58 2014. You believe that keeping the taxi roadway at Penn closed is for legitimate safety reasons. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 21 13:02:44 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 20 17:56:40 2014. That guy looks like he has diabeetus. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 21 13:07:29 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 21 13:02:44 2014. Nah ... everybody who works the night shift at Planet Express looks like that at the end of their shift. :) |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 21 14:11:18 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by italianstallion on Sun Sep 21 11:45:09 2014. So by your argument, because a crime happened, all reports of crimes are necessarily true, especially those made by someone who constantly makes false reports?The number of actual terrorist acts committed or seriously planned (against white people, by Muslims) is minuscule compared to the number of alleged terrorist attacks that the government made up. If someone says that crime is such a severe problem the entire city needs to be placed under martial law and you point out that they're full of shit, that does not imply the crime rate is actually zero. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 21 14:11:20 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by AlM on Sun Sep 21 11:48:13 2014. Where are Saddam's weapons of mass destruction? |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 21 14:11:22 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by italianstallion on Sun Sep 21 11:48:38 2014. People like you are the reason the Constitution was repealed in all but name. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 21 14:11:24 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Olog-hai on Sun Sep 21 11:48:45 2014. And people wonder why I say that liberals hate passenger rail.Considering that you have no clue what the word "liberal" means but continuously misuse it, yeah, we do wonder. Define "liberal." Define "conservative." Or shut up. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 21 14:11:26 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 21 11:58:18 2014. THANK you! |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 21 14:11:30 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by AlM on Sun Sep 21 11:54:57 2014. He thinks everyone on the planet is liberal. I've asked him to name just three people he thinks aren't liberal, and he can't do that. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 21 14:36:05 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 21 13:01:36 2014. Yep. And we don't need it anyway. 7th and 8th Avenue is fine for that. |
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Posted by 600vdc on Sun Sep 21 14:50:48 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by italianstallion on Fri Sep 19 19:34:21 2014. While I am not a Republican, I have to agree with them on this provision. As one who regularly uses Amtrak on the NE Corridor (I am based in Philly), the frustration of single line queuing at major stations along the line (particularly DC Union, NY Penn, Philly 30th Street, and Boston South Station), is ridiculous and a royal PIA. This is especially true, and is made even more frustrating, when I use the same stations for local commuter service with much less hassle.The idea of dealing with this lunacy has even forced me to often given up on Amtrak between Philly and New York, and simply drive to Trenton and get an NJT train from there. In the other direction, I have not taken to driving south to get a MARC train to DC, but I have begun considering it. I can appreciate the comparisons to the UK. I have taken a lot of intercity and commuter trains in England and Scotland (including at Paddington as mentioned in the article, as well as Euston, King's Cross, Liverpool Lime Street, Edinburgh Waverly, and Glasgow Central), and the methodology of boarding there is much more sane. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 21 15:02:51 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by 600vdc on Sun Sep 21 14:50:48 2014. Most Northeast Republicans are pretty good to Amtrak. I think they got pissed off at having to go through the same nonsense as us at DC, NYP, Boston, etc. Philly is a harder nut to crack since SEPTA is on the upper level. I think they're just as restrictive to let you down to the platform for the NJT AC train, don't know about checking tickets.Bud Shuster is from Altoona, is sympathetic to the NEC, Keystone Corridor, lukewarm to the Pennsylvanian, doesn't give a shit about thru cars to Chicago. Speaking of Trenton, I once saw a NE Regional train start to pull out and stop 3 times in succession, delaying it 5 minutes, because the conductor kept throwing somebody or another off without the correct ticket. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Sep 21 15:36:45 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 21 14:11:20 2014. Saddam wanted people to believe he had such weapons to prevent an attack. Thus he encouraged false intelligence and of course refused to cooperate. Tough Darts. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Sep 21 15:37:25 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 21 14:11:22 2014. It is time to take the constitution and the country back from the leftist libs.ROAR |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 21 15:46:30 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Sep 21 15:36:45 2014. Saddam openly declared he didn't have such weapons and invited inspectors into Iraq to verify this for themselves.You seriously need to stop getting your information from right wing talk radio. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 21 15:46:36 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Sep 21 15:37:25 2014. You already did. :( |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Sep 21 17:16:12 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 21 14:11:22 2014. Like me, perhaps, but not me, though. I revere the Constitution. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Sep 21 17:16:52 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 21 14:11:20 2014. I agree with you. Iraq was mistake. Afghanistan was not. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Sep 21 17:18:36 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 21 14:11:18 2014. Stop setting up a straw man. That is not what I believe.Please give me a list of those the govt. made up. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Sep 21 17:19:44 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 21 14:11:30 2014. "He thinks everyone on the planet is liberal."I'm surprised he doesn't commit suicide. :-) |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Sep 21 17:48:53 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 21 14:11:30 2014. +1 |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 21 18:18:01 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by italianstallion on Sun Sep 21 17:18:36 2014. He's probably talking about conspiracies that never turned into actual attacks that might have involved a bit of entrapment. But that's of course not what he's saying. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 21 18:36:03 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 21 14:36:05 2014. Unless it's raining or snowing. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 21 19:01:57 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 21 18:36:03 2014. Not worth the risk of truck bombs. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sun Sep 21 19:11:40 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Sep 20 21:57:16 2014. But all someone has to do to protest is to take a commuter train to the next Amtrak station. If people won't do that tiny bit of voting with their feet, I guess the wait at Penn Station New York isn't all that bad and they should stop complaining.In Westbury, NY, a school zone recently got speed cameras. After the cameras were activated, the village board voted to RAISE the speed limit from 15 mph to 20 mph. One of the points raised was that people were avoiding the school zone altogether and increasing traffic on adjacent side streets (whose residents were complaining). Voting with your feet works. I maintain that if people simply stopped boarding Amtrak trains at Penn Station New York, this bit of security theatre would quickly have its final performance. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 21 19:45:37 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Andrew Saucci on Sun Sep 21 19:11:40 2014. I maintain that if people simply stopped boarding Amtrak trains at Penn Station New York, this bit of security theatre would quickly have its final performance.You could easily be right. But the cost in money and time is huge. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 21 20:39:06 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Andrew Saucci on Sun Sep 21 19:11:40 2014. If people simply stopped boarding Amtrak trains at Penn Station New York, this bit of security theatre would quickly have its final performance.And if people would stop voting for conservatives, the entire security theatre troop would have to close down the show and move out. And if people weren't dumb enough to vote for a candidate because an ad told them to, Citizens United would be moot and we wouldn't have to worry about it. Unfortunately, it's just not going to happen. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 21 20:39:09 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by italianstallion on Sun Sep 21 17:19:44 2014. But then he wouldn't be able to keep whining.Or maybe he did commit suicide, but first he created a bot to post shrill right-wing rants under his handle. After all, he's unable to solve CAPTCHAs and his habit of responding to a question by sort of referencing it without actually answering it is the standard behaviour for a chatbot in a situation it wasn't programmed to deal with. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 21 20:39:11 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by AlM on Sun Sep 21 18:18:01 2014. He's probably talking about conspiracies that never turned into actual attacks that might have involved a bit of entrapment.No, I was not talking about those, although there were plenty of them that went well beyond "a bit of entrapment." But that's of course not what he's saying. No, I'm pointing out that America now considers it normal to torture political prisoners who are locked up without charges or trial based on the allegation of terrorist plots that never existed. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 21 20:39:14 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by italianstallion on Sun Sep 21 17:18:36 2014. Stop setting up a straw man. That is not what I believe.Of course not. It's a reductio ad absurdum to show that your argument is ridiculous. Over the past thirteen years, the Constitution has been torn to shreds in the name of protecting the country from "terrorism." I pointed out that terrorism is at most a minor problem that doesn't justify such extreme measures or even any measures beyond those that law enforcement use every day, noting that the government has cited "terrorism" as justification for oppression so frequently that no one should be willing to believe it anymore. You then set up a straw man by pretending I'd said terrorism never existed at any point in human history; essentially "if you don't believe the boy who cried wolf, you must believe wolves don't exist." I pointed out that your argument was a straw man by rephrasing it using crime instead of terrorism (since terrorism is just a small subset of crime anyway). Please give me a list of those the govt. made up. Come on, seriously? The war in Iraq, the torture of political prisoners, the mass spying, and the president ordering the murder of American citizens were all justified by the claimed threat of "terrorism." Did you somehow not notice that you can no longer get on a plane without being strip searched and/or molested? Meanwhile, Guantanamo is full of people who are being tortured for supposed terrorist plots the government made up. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 21 20:39:17 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by italianstallion on Sun Sep 21 17:16:52 2014. Entering Afghanistan in search of Osama bin Laden wasn't a mistake. Remaining there after Osama escaped and turning it into an endless war, on the other hand, was just as much a mistake as entering Iraq. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 21 20:39:20 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by italianstallion on Sun Sep 21 17:16:12 2014. So you oppose the NSA spying, the TSA molestation, the drone wars, Guantanamo, the war in Iraq (old and new), the war in Afghanistan (at least after Al Qaeda had fled), the persecution of Snowden, the persecution of Manning, the persecution of Kiriakou, and the constant declaration that government actions are "classified?" |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Sep 21 23:09:15 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by AlM on Sun Sep 21 11:48:13 2014. Well, they didn't happen quite the way it was claimed, since a London Underground train that the bombers supposedly rode on was in fact cancelled and didn't run. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Sep 22 00:27:37 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 21 20:39:20 2014. Some, but not all. Some are necessary and Constitutionally justifiable. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Sep 22 00:36:46 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by italianstallion on Mon Sep 22 00:27:37 2014. He would have LOVED J Edgar Hoover. :( |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Sep 22 01:31:01 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by italianstallion on Mon Sep 22 00:27:37 2014. Which ones do you support? |
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Posted by Express Rider on Mon Sep 22 06:38:52 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Sep 21 15:37:25 2014. The text of the Constitution can be interpreted very narrowly, or broadly - the latter can include or refer to many different situations. This has been ongoing since very early on, when powdered wigs were in fashion (George on the dollar bill) and will continue.It's never a squeaky clean process, and can get creaky. But that is what this country is all about. |
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