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Re: FYI, R-211 order... it is a 75 foot car order. No more 60 foot car orders, for now. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Aug 29 15:23:50 2014, in response to Re: FYI, R-211 order... it is a 75 foot car order. No more 60 foot car orders, for now., posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Fri Aug 29 11:49:25 2014. Maybe all NTTs should be ordered in 4 car sets with a supplemental order of 2 car sets that could be added to an 8 car consist of 2 4 car sets to make up a 10 car consist. The BMT did something similar with is B units which were operated in 2 X 3 car consists on most lines but which had either 2 A cars or a single 2 car BT unit added to make 8 car consists when necessary. I'm sure that the techies in new car engineering can figure out a way to make the 2 car units CBTC compatible. That way the 4 car units that would be required for the BMT Eastern can be operated anywhere and those units with the 2 car butt added could be operated on any lines that can accommodate 10 car trains. |
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Re: FYI, R-211 order... it is a 75 foot car order. No more 60 foot car orders, for now. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Aug 29 15:25:07 2014, in response to Re: FYI, R-211 order... it is a 75 foot car order. No more 60 foot car orders, for now., posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Fri Aug 29 13:58:17 2014. Probably and unfortunately not. Bowling alley seating seems to be the current trend in rapid transit these days. |
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Re: FYI, R-211 order... it is a 75 foot car order. No more 60 foot car orders, for now. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Aug 29 16:31:11 2014, in response to Re: FYI, R-211 order... it is a 75 foot car order. No more 60 foot car orders, for now., posted by randyo on Fri Aug 29 15:23:50 2014. Where would the c/r operate from? 6x4 is a no go. |
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Re: FYI, R-211 order... it is a 75 foot car order. No more 60 foot car orders, for now. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Aug 29 17:11:15 2014, in response to Re: FYI, R-211 order... it is a 75 foot car order. No more 60 foot car orders, for now., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Aug 29 16:31:11 2014. As long as there is a proper C/R indication board, it would be OK. |
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Re: FYI, R-211 order... it is suppsoed to be a 75 foot car order |
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Posted by WillD on Fri Aug 29 17:20:31 2014, in response to Re: FYI, R-211 order... it is suppsoed to be a 75 foot car order, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Aug 24 06:52:05 2014. First, you would have to make every platform in the system uniform before you can even think of that.Second, you have to have every car in the system be uniform to do it. James was kind enough to point out that that is not the case, although there's no real evidence that flexible PSDs would be any more expensive than a fixed installation. But there are other alternatives which are even more forgiving of multiple door layouts and stopping positions: |
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Re: FYI, R-211 order... it is suppsoed to be a 75 foot car order |
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Posted by WillD on Fri Aug 29 17:36:55 2014, in response to Re: FYI, R-211 order... it is suppsoed to be a 75 foot car order, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Aug 24 06:52:05 2014. And before I forget, a video of the test installation of the flexible PSD described above:Note that the train does not need to crawl to a station stop point. Other videos show the doors adjusting themselves to the stop position, but with so wide an opening it's really not all that necessary. With a CBTC installation and the train communicating its speed, deceleration, and stop point to a wayside system one would expect the gates to adjust themselves to that stop point before the train actually stops at it. There's another vertically rising PSD being tested in Japan: IMHO the degree to which they've innovated in their platform screen door technology is very interesting. It stands in stark contrast to, say, those here who scream "unpossible!" when faced with creating a solution to the spate of suicides the NYCT system experienced last year. |
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Re: FYI, R-211 order... it is a 75 foot car order. No more 60 foot car orders, for now. |
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Posted by WillD on Fri Aug 29 17:40:04 2014, in response to Re: FYI, R-211 order... it is a 75 foot car order. No more 60 foot car orders, for now., posted by randyo on Fri Aug 29 15:17:04 2014. But cars were a whole lot cheaper in 1950 than they are today. They're much more expensive even accounting for inflation.Getting the same 94 trainsets out of a 60' fleet means buying nearly 200 additional railcars. 75' cars may be slightly more expensive than a 60' car, but they're not going to be 125% the purchase price, so there is a net savings in going with 75' cars both in terms of capital costs and maintenance. |
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Re: FYI, R-211 order... it is suppsoed to be a 75 foot car order |
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Posted by chud1 on Fri Aug 29 17:43:08 2014, in response to Re: FYI, R-211 order... it is suppsoed to be a 75 foot car order, posted by WillD on Fri Aug 29 17:36:55 2014. 5 drooling stars out of 5 drooling stars for these video's.chud1. :).... |
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Re: FYI, R-211 order... it is a 75 foot car order. No more 60 foot car orders, for now. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Aug 29 18:09:48 2014, in response to Re: FYI, R-211 order... it is a 75 foot car order. No more 60 foot car orders, for now., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Aug 29 16:31:11 2014. Isn't there something about our NTT trains that says no more than 2 units (of whatever size) per consist ? |
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Re: FYI, R-211 order... it is a 75 foot car order. No more 60 foot car orders, for now. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Aug 29 18:11:24 2014, in response to Re: FYI, R-211 order... it is a 75 foot car order. No more 60 foot car orders, for now., posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Fri Aug 29 11:52:24 2014. Other show-stoppers:1) Broad Street stub tracks 2)Chambers Street with a nasty curve on south end and switches on the north end |
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Re: FYI, R-211 order... it is a 75 foot car order. No more 60 foot car orders, for now. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Aug 29 18:12:12 2014, in response to Re: FYI, R-211 order... it is a 75 foot car order. No more 60 foot car orders, for now., posted by randyo on Fri Aug 29 15:25:07 2014. CTA is going right back to transverse seats with the future 7K's. |
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Re: FYI, R-211 order... it is a 75 foot car order. No more 60 foot car orders, for now. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Aug 29 21:05:30 2014, in response to FYI, R-211 order... it is a 75 foot car order. No more 60 foot car orders, for now., posted by Gold_12th on Sat Aug 23 00:04:41 2014. other than replacing the current R32/42 rail cars,plus extra "growth" cars..there isn't a direct need for 60 ft cars at this moment. |
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Re: FYI, R-211 order... it is suppsoed to be a 75 foot car order |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Aug 29 21:09:54 2014, in response to Re: FYI, R-211 order... it is suppsoed to be a 75 foot car order, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Aug 24 06:52:05 2014. not so..other countries have the tech..where platform doors adjust to meet train doors. |
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Re: FYI, R-211 order... it is a 75 foot car order. No more 60 foot car orders, for now. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Aug 29 21:12:57 2014, in response to Re: FYI, R-211 order... it is a 75 foot car order. No more 60 foot car orders, for now., posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Fri Aug 29 11:49:25 2014. married pairs made flexibility possible..even though single cars re ideal..but much more expensive. |
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Re: FYI, R-211 order... it is a 75 foot car order. No more 60 foot car orders, for now. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Aug 29 21:17:14 2014, in response to Re: FYI, R-211 order... it is a 75 foot car order. No more 60 foot car orders, for now., posted by Joe V on Fri Aug 29 18:11:24 2014. all of those issues can be worked out...but it really wouldnt be worth the effort to extend the platforms NOW..One thing that could be done,is the easing of the curves..preventing 75ft cars from fully operating on the eastern lines. |
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Re: FYI, R-211 order... it is a 75 foot car order. No more 60 foot car orders, for now. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Aug 29 21:19:00 2014, in response to Re: FYI, R-211 order... it is a 75 foot car order. No more 60 foot car orders, for now., posted by Joe V on Thu Aug 28 19:08:41 2014. which is Why I've said in the past,the M should be the 24 hour service past Myrtle Avenue. |
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Re: FYI, R-211 order... it is a 75 foot car order. No more 60 foot car orders, for now. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Aug 30 15:49:36 2014, in response to Re: FYI, R-211 order... it is a 75 foot car order. No more 60 foot car orders, for now., posted by WillD on Fri Aug 29 17:40:04 2014. Many times, the cheap turns out to be expensive. |
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Re: FYI, R-211 order... it is a 75 foot car order. No more 60 foot car orders, for now. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Aug 30 15:51:58 2014, in response to Re: FYI, R-211 order... it is a 75 foot car order. No more 60 foot car orders, for now., posted by Edwards! on Fri Aug 29 21:17:14 2014. One of the main problems also in the Eastern is that the alignment of switches and curves in ENY Yd won't allow for 75 ft cars and the physical envelope of the yard area will not permit realignment of those curves. |
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Re: FYI, R-211 order... it is a 75 foot car order. No more 60 foot car orders, for now. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Aug 30 20:49:54 2014, in response to Re: FYI, R-211 order... it is a 75 foot car order. No more 60 foot car orders, for now., posted by randyo on Sat Aug 30 15:49:36 2014. But presumably NYCT has decades of records of purchase and maintenance cost of 75s vs 60s. If the 75s cost significantly less than 1.25 times the 60s, they're a good deal, to the extent that you know you'll never need to run them on the Eastern Division. |
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Re: FYI, R-211 order... it is a 75 foot car order. No more 60 foot car orders, for now. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Aug 30 23:37:12 2014, in response to Re: FYI, R-211 order... it is a 75 foot car order. No more 60 foot car orders, for now., posted by Joe V on Fri Aug 29 18:12:12 2014. I applaud CTA for going back to transverse seats on the 7k cars. WMATA too. They stayed with transverse seats for their upcoming 7k cars (first set being tested now). |
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Re: FYI, R-211 order... it is a 75 foot car order. No more 60 foot car orders, for now. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Aug 30 23:39:30 2014, in response to Re: FYI, R-211 order... it is a 75 foot car order. No more 60 foot car orders, for now., posted by Edwards! on Fri Aug 29 21:05:30 2014. Precisely what the R179 order is set to do. I guess the 40 cars being configured in 5-car sets will be part of the "growth" cars. |
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Re: FYI, R-211 order... it is a 75 foot car order. No more 60 foot car orders, for now. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Sun Aug 31 08:36:30 2014, in response to Re: FYI, R-211 order... it is a 75 foot car order. No more 60 foot car orders, for now., posted by MainR3664 on Fri Aug 29 08:23:47 2014. Isn't the NYCTA fleet to big that there is plenty of flexibility anyway? I did a back-of-the-envelope calculation using fleet numbers from Wikipedia. The IND/BMT 75 foot car fleet is bigger than the entire fleet of the CTA or WMATAIND/BMT 60 foot cars 2142 IND/BMT 75 foot cars 1377 by comparison IRT 2730 CTA 874 WMATA 842 |
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Re: FYI, R-211 order... it is a 75 foot car order. No more 60 foot car orders, for now. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Aug 31 13:20:16 2014, in response to Re: FYI, R-211 order... it is a 75 foot car order. No more 60 foot car orders, for now., posted by merrick1 on Sun Aug 31 08:36:30 2014. There really isn't that much flexibility since the NYCTS has that many cars because they are needed for service with a spare factor allowed fro maintenance and repair. |
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Re: FYI, R-211 order... it is a 75 foot car order. No more 60 foot car orders, for now. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Aug 31 17:59:04 2014, in response to Re: FYI, R-211 order... it is a 75 foot car order. No more 60 foot car orders, for now., posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Aug 30 23:37:12 2014. The WMATA 7K seats don't look as posh as the existing. |
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Re: FYI, R-211 order... it is a 75 foot car order. No more 60 foot car orders, for now. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Aug 31 18:01:19 2014, in response to Re: FYI, R-211 order... it is a 75 foot car order. No more 60 foot car orders, for now., posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Aug 30 23:39:30 2014. Maybe send a set of R46's to SI (if they keep ramming the Tottenville bumper block). |
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