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Matthew Iglesias: Port Authority is a disaster and should be disbanded. (On Topic) |
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Posted by znufrii on Tue Jan 14 12:12:55 2014 Slate ArticleHe suggests: "•Put the bridges and tunnels under the control of MTA Bridges and Tunnels which runs the city's other bridges and tunnels, and in exchange give New Jersey Transit a fixed share of toll revenue from the Hudson River crossings. •Put the PATH train under the control of New Jersey Transit, which runs other commuter trains into Manhattan. •Let the various airports all go their separate ways. They don't need to be managed by a single entity. •Give AirTrain JFK to the NYC Subway. •Sell the random real-estate holdings." Thoughts? |
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Posted by localacrosstheplatform on Tue Jan 14 13:26:01 2014, in response to Matthew Iglesias: Port Authority is a disaster and should be disbanded. (On Topic), posted by znufrii on Tue Jan 14 12:12:55 2014. What about the bus terminal? MTA? NYC DOT?Also, I'm not so sure about his idea to give PATH to NJT -- seems to me that it would be better run by the MTA, considering NJT's track record at running much of anything. Granted -- I'm not sure how good the politics/optics of this would be, considering that one might argue that PATH exists to bring New Jerseyans to New York more than it exists to bring New Yorkers to Jersey or transport them within NY. |
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Posted by E and F and sometimes J on Tue Jan 14 15:24:19 2014, in response to Matthew Iglesias: Port Authority is a disaster and should be disbanded. (On Topic), posted by znufrii on Tue Jan 14 12:12:55 2014. The MTA could buy the Jamaica and Howard Beach portions of the AirTrIn today if the governor asked for it.The JAMAICA and Howard Beach portions were built to subway standards to accommodate 75' subway cars. The JAMAICA portion even lays flat for possible intermediate stations, and of course at Howard Beach a flat junction could easily be built to connect to the Rockaways. If it were up to me I would have that subway line run from Rockaway Park to Main St, Flushing with a flat junction from the Van Wyck to JAMAICA station. The T/O will change ends, just like at the Hobeken PATH station does on nights and weekends. The inner airport AirTrain AFAIK is not built to subway standards and can continue to operate as is. |
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Posted by LA Scott on Wed Jan 15 07:02:13 2014, in response to Matthew Iglesias: Port Authority is a disaster and should be disbanded. (On Topic), posted by znufrii on Tue Jan 14 12:12:55 2014. Whoever takes PATH would need to income stream from the bridges and tunnels to subsidize it. |
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Posted by MTA T on Wed Jan 15 08:22:37 2014, in response to Matthew Iglesias: Port Authority is a disaster and should be disbanded. (On Topic), posted by znufrii on Tue Jan 14 12:12:55 2014. Airtrain JFK to NYC Subway plan sounds good. |
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Re: Matthew Iglesias: Port Authority is a disaster and should be disbanded. (On Topic) |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Wed Jan 15 08:37:23 2014, in response to Re: Matthew Iglesias: Port Authority is a disaster and should be disbanded. (On Topic), posted by localacrosstheplatform on Tue Jan 14 13:26:01 2014. If you think the MTA is always broke now, how could they even fathom taking on another system, yet alone class 1 rail? Bigger question is how broke will they be if they are collecting NJ Bridge and Tunnel tolls then take on required contracts like Bayonne, Goethals, GWB reconstruction, AND the AIRPORTS (they will have to spend to fix LAG and KENNEDY now) and light rail maintenance? Your subway fare will be half that of crossing the GWB during peak hours and a Triboro bridge toll will likely be over 12 dollars one way with that kind of $$$. Money the PA raises all on its own back. |
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Re: Matthew Iglesias: Port Authority is a disaster and should be disbanded. (On Topic) |
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Posted by The silence on Wed Jan 15 13:24:53 2014, in response to Re: Matthew Iglesias: Port Authority is a disaster and should be disbanded. (On Topic), posted by E and F and sometimes J on Tue Jan 14 15:24:19 2014. MTA can't buy the system, and it can't be integrated into the subway.Airtrain was built using surcharges and fees collected from airline passengers, specifically a $3 "airport improvement fee" on all outbound tickets. This fee can only be used for supporting the needs of the airport and those who use it. That's why the Airtrain has no intermediate stations on the Jamaica branch. The a airlines actually sued to stop airtrain because it left the airport. |
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Re: Matthew Iglesias: Port Authority is a disaster and should be disbanded. (On Topic) |
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Posted by The silence on Wed Jan 15 13:26:14 2014, in response to Re: Matthew Iglesias: Port Authority is a disaster and should be disbanded. (On Topic), posted by MTA T on Wed Jan 15 08:22:37 2014. Airtrain has to go with whoever takes over JFK. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 15 14:40:53 2014, in response to Matthew Iglesias: Port Authority is a disaster and should be disbanded. (On Topic), posted by znufrii on Tue Jan 14 12:12:55 2014. Matthew Iglesias is an idiot who should generally be ignored. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jan 15 15:05:25 2014, in response to Re: Matthew Iglesias: Port Authority is a disaster and should be disbanded. (On Topic), posted by BLE-NIMX on Wed Jan 15 08:37:23 2014. With a PA liquidation, revenue and tax sourcing passes to NJT and MTA while tons of administrative costs go away with mass layoffs and closure of buildings they occupy.I'll all for it. PANYNJ was set up many years before public authorities existed NY and NJ. The PA is a relic of that era and now an albatross. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jan 15 16:18:17 2014, in response to Matthew Iglesias: Port Authority is a disaster and should be disbanded. (On Topic), posted by znufrii on Tue Jan 14 12:12:55 2014. PANY(NJ) goes nowhere until they fulfill their original charter requirement of a freight rail tunnel connecting NJ and Brooklyn/Queens.Would also be nice if they would build a NY Union Station in downtown Manhattan to revitalize the place, but you can't have it all. Getting them out of the way could also open the possibility of direct rail access to the area's airports. I think NJT would screw up the H&M though. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Jan 15 16:44:38 2014, in response to Matthew Iglesias: Port Authority is a disaster and should be disbanded. (On Topic), posted by znufrii on Tue Jan 14 12:12:55 2014. The only other alternative is to have the PANYNJ go back to its roots. That is, to sell off most of its real estate holdings and do what it was originally intended to do- run the bridges and tunnels, as a bi-state agency. This whole mess began in 1962, when they took over PATH and decided to knock down the old Hudson Terminal Buildings, in favor of building and keeping the WTC towers.I am not in favor of making the MTA any bigger by giving it some of the PA's assets. Personally, I wouldn't shed a tear if they broke that up, also. The City should own the MTA's bridges, tunnels, and, most importantly, the TA. |
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Re: Matthew Iglesias: Port Authority is a disaster and should be disbanded. (On Topic) |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jan 15 16:56:25 2014, in response to Re: Matthew Iglesias: Port Authority is a disaster and should be disbanded. (On Topic), posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jan 15 16:18:17 2014. I would have PATH infrastructure owned by NJT, but operations contracted out to the TA. |
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Posted by Lord Vader on Fri Jan 17 12:35:32 2014, in response to Re: Matthew Iglesias: Port Authority is a disaster and should be disbanded. (On Topic), posted by Elkeeper on Wed Jan 15 16:44:38 2014. The Hudson Terminal buildings were in poor shape and had to come down. If the PA didn't take over the H&M, the WTC would not exist. Should either NJT or the MTA assume control of the PATH, the reasonable fare for interstate rail travel will sky-rocket and the residents of Jersey City, Hoboken, Harrison and Newark would not appreciate that. Leave things well enough alone. It worked for so many years, why alter it now?Vader |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Jan 17 13:11:01 2014, in response to Re: Matthew Iglesias: Port Authority is a disaster and should be disbanded. (On Topic), posted by Lord Vader on Fri Jan 17 12:35:32 2014. < the reasonable fare for interstate rail travel will sky-rocket >Says who ? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 17 14:46:55 2014, in response to Re: Matthew Iglesias: Port Authority is a disaster and should be disbanded. (On Topic), posted by Elkeeper on Wed Jan 15 16:44:38 2014. The city shouldn't own any of that infrastructure. It was the city takeover of the subway that was the beginning of the whole mess anyway. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 17 14:47:24 2014, in response to Re: Matthew Iglesias: Port Authority is a disaster and should be disbanded. (On Topic), posted by Lord Vader on Fri Jan 17 12:35:32 2014. The Hudson Terminal buildings were in poor shape and had to come downProbably not. If the PA didn't take over the H&M, the WTC would not exist Highly unlikely. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 17 14:50:07 2014, in response to Re: Matthew Iglesias: Port Authority is a disaster and should be disbanded. (On Topic), posted by Joe V on Wed Jan 15 16:56:25 2014. I wouldn't mind if the present PATH fed into the IRT so that you'd get more destination choices within Manhattan, but that's just me.Of course, my own anti-NJDOT animus still says that instead of the Aldene Plan, a H&M/"PATH" extension to the CRRNJ terminal should've been built. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Jan 17 14:51:09 2014, in response to Re: Matthew Iglesias: Port Authority is a disaster and should be disbanded. (On Topic), posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 17 14:46:55 2014. Better to leave with BMT and IRT Companies going after each other's business and not honoring transfers ? |
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Posted by Outside The Box on Fri Jan 17 15:27:33 2014, in response to Re: Matthew Iglesias: Port Authority is a disaster and should be disbanded. (On Topic), posted by localacrosstheplatform on Tue Jan 14 13:26:01 2014. Considering that the core of the 4 state metro area is Manhattan south of 60th st, Hudson County is functionally NYC. After all, if Staten Island, Throggs Neck and Jamaica Bay are NYC, then Hudson County is a de facto 6th Borough. PATH serves a vital regional role. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Jan 17 20:38:49 2014, in response to Re: Matthew Iglesias: Port Authority is a disaster and should be disbanded. (On Topic), posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 17 14:47:24 2014. And so what if it didn't. I liked Radio Row.WTC were 2 ugly popsicles sticking up out of the ground, and took many years to occupy. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 17 20:47:21 2014, in response to Re: Matthew Iglesias: Port Authority is a disaster and should be disbanded. (On Topic), posted by Joe V on Fri Jan 17 20:38:49 2014. If it wasn't for radio row and all the toys to make stuff out of, I'd probably have gone into chemistry and making explosives instead of electronics. I am ever so grateful that place existed with all those great shops full of stuff. :) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Jan 17 22:28:32 2014, in response to Re: Matthew Iglesias: Port Authority is a disaster and should be disbanded. (On Topic), posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 17 14:47:24 2014. Very much so. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 17 23:13:01 2014, in response to Re: Matthew Iglesias: Port Authority is a disaster and should be disbanded. (On Topic), posted by Joe V on Fri Jan 17 20:38:49 2014. I agree with the sentiment there. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 17 23:13:37 2014, in response to Re: Matthew Iglesias: Port Authority is a disaster and should be disbanded. (On Topic), posted by The silence on Wed Jan 15 13:26:14 2014. Not if they don't want it. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 17 23:14:18 2014, in response to Re: Matthew Iglesias: Port Authority is a disaster and should be disbanded. (On Topic), posted by MTA T on Wed Jan 15 08:22:37 2014. Convert to regular subway operation? |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Sat Jan 18 01:21:12 2014, in response to Re: Matthew Iglesias: Port Authority is a disaster and should be disbanded. (On Topic), posted by Joe V on Wed Jan 15 15:05:25 2014. Either you can Keep on dreaming or you don't live close enough in the Tri-State to be paying those types of fares. The MTA in its umbrella form of protection ENSURE their layers of administration never go away. You can't take Two public service Authorities, merge them into one, and keep the existing levels of management and administration run by an organization that on its own went from 700 Civil Service managers to over 5500 non Civil Service during the Gunn era. In my last 11 years, except for the last two budgets involving FEMA $$$, almost all of them were balanced with their OWN income. Not fluff money expected from Hudson yard "air rights", projected income from "expected" real estate sales which turned south anyway, phone taxes that have little to do with transportation, write offs from 2 Broadway and free metrocard money the victims haven't come for yet. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Jan 18 01:31:09 2014, in response to Re: Matthew Iglesias: Port Authority is a disaster and should be disbanded. (On Topic), posted by Joe V on Wed Jan 15 15:05:25 2014. im wondering..do you live in NY? |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Jan 18 13:09:36 2014, in response to Re: Matthew Iglesias: Port Authority is a disaster and should be disbanded. (On Topic), posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 17 14:46:55 2014. I always found it ironic that the City could find $$$ to spend for Unification, instead of the 2nd Ave subway. They spent $5 million to shore up the 6th Ave el, so they should have just left it up, watch ridership decline (like 9th Ave el), and buy the Manhattan els at cheaper prices, later on. Blame it on LaGuardia, who wanted the 6th Ave el gone ASAP. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 18 14:06:48 2014, in response to Matthew Iglesias: Port Authority is a disaster and should be disbanded. (On Topic), posted by znufrii on Tue Jan 14 12:12:55 2014. Contracted to someone who could do the business for lest cost? Perhaps. Disbanding and selling off the assets? I break on that because the property taxes that ensue would discourage improvements. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 18 19:16:22 2014, in response to Re: Matthew Iglesias: Port Authority is a disaster and should be disbanded. (On Topic), posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 18 14:06:48 2014. If the massive Conrail could be split in 2 and sold off to NS and CSX, so could the PA. At least CR was not a corrupt patronage mill. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Jan 18 21:12:06 2014, in response to Re: Matthew Iglesias: Port Authority is a disaster and should be disbanded. (On Topic), posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 18 19:16:22 2014. Now the PA is fighting their "Bridgegate" subpoenas. Apparently, there's a lot of stuff that they don't want us to know about the massive toll hikes. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Sat Jan 18 22:18:42 2014, in response to Matthew Iglesias: Port Authority is a disaster and should be disbanded. (On Topic), posted by znufrii on Tue Jan 14 12:12:55 2014. I don't see much good in this proposal.My blog |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 19 14:14:45 2014, in response to Re: Matthew Iglesias: Port Authority is a disaster and should be disbanded. (On Topic), posted by Elkeeper on Sat Jan 18 21:12:06 2014. If you have been watching MSNBC's Kornacki on Saturday and Sunday mornings, this has gone way beyond a 4 day traffic jam. It is the Governor's office, intertwined with his lackies in the Port Authority, blackmailing, punishing, and sabotaging Sandy aid over politically connected development projects in Fort Lee and Hoboken.Shutting down state-owned NJN Network and firing everyone when they revealed an undisclosed loan Christie ad. It was replaced by NJTV, a subsidiary of WNET and connected to Steve Adubato Jr. NJN's archives from 1971 are sitting in a warehouse, non-digitized, deteriorating, and are off-limits to preservation. By contrast, WNYC was transferred to Non-profit from NYC, and there was no retribution to the staff. "Stronger than the Storm" TV ads from Sandy Relief Aid went to the highest bidder, are conflated with Christie's campaign, and are intertwined with federal campaign finance laws, an abuse of Sandy Aid, and are being investigated. US Senator Jay Rockefeller's committee investigation has yet to come. This is only the tip of the iceberg. New Jersey is likely more corrupt than Chicago. |
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