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Posted by randyo on Sun Jan 6 16:05:49 2013, in response to Re: Barriers Needed, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 29 12:21:20 2012. Q: How does one Louisianan greet another?A: "How's bayou?" |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 6 16:12:37 2013, in response to Re: Barriers Wanted—by media, posted by randyo on Sun Jan 6 15:51:52 2013. When SAS opens, the Q will have have to have 75' cars banned. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Jan 6 16:26:21 2013, in response to Re: Barriers Wanted—by media, posted by randyo on Sun Jan 6 15:51:52 2013. Well, for example, if you made the A, B, C, and D lines all 60 foot cars, you could probably safely make CPW a no-75 zone. Do E or F trains ever get rerouted up there? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Jan 6 16:50:31 2013, in response to Re: Barriers Needed, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Dec 29 09:55:09 2012. bad lands?wasnt that what the tsa21 transportation bond was for? i hear you guys have the lowest unemployment rates in the whole country..with a cost of living at the lowest anywhere. heh..would be great if it wasnt so damn cold in the winter. 3 below zero on a good day is not a fun time. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Jan 6 17:05:08 2013, in response to Re: Barriers Needed, posted by Edwards! on Sun Jan 6 16:50:31 2013. i hear you guys have the lowest unemployment rates in the whole country..with a cost of living at the lowest anywhere.heh..would be great if it wasnt so damn cold in the winter. Those two items are related. The unfilled jobs available in ND require you to work outdoors. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jan 6 17:24:47 2013, in response to Re: Barriers Wanted—by media, posted by AlM on Sun Jan 6 16:26:21 2013. Yup |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 6 17:31:21 2013, in response to Re: Barriers Wanted—by media, posted by AlM on Sun Jan 6 16:26:21 2013. Not an uncommon occurance from an E to be sent to 125th, but the E hardly ever gets an R46 anymore.The A, B, & D usually get 75' cars nowadays. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jan 6 18:35:49 2013, in response to Re: Barriers Needed, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Dec 29 09:55:09 2012. Well then ... North Dakota can give back that $275 Million in federal highway funds and we'll run some trains. :)So, we already did ... ante up, yo ... |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Jan 6 21:16:30 2013, in response to Barriers Needed, posted by MATHA531 on Fri Dec 28 05:50:51 2012. We don't need barriers. |
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Posted by WillD on Sun Jan 6 22:43:31 2013, in response to Re: Barriers Wanted—by media, posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 6 08:13:22 2013. Fine, fixed barriers are virtually free in terms of capital cost when compared to platform screen doors I wasn't arguing that point. Fixed platform edge barrriers are still going to put the same stop location restrictions so many foamers here claim will bring the system to its knees if they install platform screen doors. I was not comparing PSDs with fixed platform edge barriers, but rather fixed platform edge barriers with the status quo.Installing fixed platform edge barriers does virtually nothing to stop someone determined to get another person or themselves the track area from carrying through on their action. They do not allow the station to be heated or air conditioned. They do not reduce the trash blown into the track area in any meaningful way. They do not present a surface on which advertising can be placed. Instead, they provide all the inconvenience of a platform screen door with virtually none of the benefit. Just because it's cheap to install doesn't make it a good idea. |
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Posted by WillD on Sun Jan 6 22:46:24 2013, in response to Re: Barriers Wanted—by media, posted by Allan on Sat Jan 5 14:31:00 2013. Again, false: I dunno what I'm gonna do if this guy yanks the image before more than half the people on this board learn that there's no impediment to using PSDs when the fleet has a variable door layout. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jan 7 05:00:21 2013, in response to Re: Barriers Wanted—by media, posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 6 16:12:37 2013. And what happens the first time 75 ft cars have to be sent up the SAS either due to a service disruption or to provide service due to a delay on the line? |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jan 7 08:32:48 2013, in response to Barriers Needed, posted by MATHA531 on Fri Dec 28 05:50:51 2012. I have to disagree. while I'm as saddened as anyone else by the recent 12-9s, the subway did just fine without these gates, which would be very expensive not only to install, but to maintain.What's needed is a combination of greater caution by passnegers (don't get s***faced drunk before you ride the subway) and confinement of people with severe mental illness. |
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Posted by Allan on Mon Jan 7 09:00:22 2013, in response to Re: Barriers Wanted—by media, posted by WillD on Sun Jan 6 22:46:24 2013. Very nice but remember - we are talking about the NY MTA here.They would never even consider something like that - too expensive and too much to maintain. WillD - Then is an impediment - the MTA. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 7 09:56:53 2013, in response to Re: Barriers Wanted—by media, posted by WillD on Sun Jan 6 22:46:24 2013. I'd love to see the installation and maintenance bills for those. Never mind that people can still be pushed over them. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jan 7 10:41:13 2013, in response to Re: Barriers Wanted—by media, posted by WillD on Sun Jan 6 22:46:24 2013. There is no impediment to escalators either. But of course if the escalator is not working it can (sometimes) be used as a staircase.These things are mechanical devices, they need maintenance and repairs. Yo are not looking at these devices from the top, but I presume that they will take up at least 18" of platform space, or will make an island platform 3' narrower. For some that is quite problematic. As for simple pipe fences. Yes, jumpers will still jump, but they can climb over one of these things too. But people waiting for train can lean against them and look to their heart's content without fear of being pushed, shoved or jostled onto the tracks. Is there added safety? Yes, for those who choose to stand along the rail. You know the kind of person who is willing to stand aside to let others off first. Some will always line up at the opening and will knock people down who are trying to detrain. There is no good solution. LION thinks that doors and sliding walls are out of the question, both for price and maintenance. If we have one 12-9 per week, the odds are 1 to 51 million that you will fall in. You change or even eliminate those odds by your own behaviors. Put up the pipe railings at places where platforms are particularly crowded Put up warning signs, and that will be sufficient. ROAR |
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Posted by Michael549 on Mon Jan 7 11:12:03 2013, in response to Re: Barriers Wanted—by media, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jan 7 10:41:13 2013. If there had to be pipe-type railings, I'd put them about 2-3 feet from the platform edge, at various points along the platform, with maybe each pipe-rail-section about - 4 or 5 or 6 feet long. Long enough so that folks can hold on, lean on or rest on, or grab on while at the platform, and enough of a distance away from the edge for safety. And enough of a distance away from the edge so that if the doors open in front of a railing, the riders can still exit and enter the train. At the same time, these kinds of railings do not "lock in" a particular door arrangement upon any of the subway cars.Just my thoughts. Mike |
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Posted by Outside the Box on Mon Jan 7 12:18:49 2013, in response to Re: Barriers Wanted—by media, posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 6 17:31:21 2013. The G runs 75' R68. F frequently gets routed through IND Crosstown when there are problems on IND 6th Ave. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Jan 7 16:33:54 2013, in response to Re: Barriers Needed, posted by Grand concourse on Sun Dec 30 02:54:54 2012. +2 |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jan 7 16:38:26 2013, in response to Re: Barriers Wanted—by media, posted by randyo on Mon Jan 7 05:00:21 2013. The line is getting platform doors. It won't happen in revenue service. |
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Posted by WillD on Tue Jan 8 01:24:05 2013, in response to Re: Barriers Wanted—by media, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 7 09:56:53 2013. I'd love to see the installation and maintenance bills for those.If a company was willing to install and maintain them for the advertising revenue then that's really a nonissue. Never mind that people can still be pushed over them. Then install full height barriers. The same principle at work in these half height barriers can just as easily be applied to a barrier which blocks the entire space. |
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Posted by WillD on Tue Jan 8 02:19:58 2013, in response to Re: Barriers Wanted—by media, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jan 7 10:41:13 2013. These things are mechanical devices, they need maintenance and repairs.And by selling ads on them you can finance their installation and maintenance. but I presume that they will take up at least 18" of platform space, or will make an island platform 3' narrower. You can read the original brochure from the Tokyo University staff funded by Kobelco here. Unfortunately their specifications do not give the width, but if the drawing in the middle is to scale, you're looking at around 15cm, or about 6 inches for the platform edge door. For some that is quite problematic That makes no sense. If three feet (which again, it isn't, it's a foot) being removed from the platform edge for the purposes of ensuring passengers do not fall into the track area is unacceptable, then the platform itself is too narrow and a perfect place to install a platform screen door. but they can climb over one of these things too. And these doors can be installed as full-height barriers it just happens that at this iteration they're designing for a civilized country. In any event, some people will always find their way around whatever barrier is placed in their way. The goal should be to prevent murders such as the one on the 7 train, to keep the track area free of debris swept in off the platforms, and potentially to allow the air conditioning and heating of platforms. Put up the pipe railings at places where platforms are particularly crowded These 'pipe railings' are the worst possible solution. You're restricting the stop location of the train to the positions in which the doors will align with the openings in the railing. That means the train has to come in slower, and could restrict the equipment which can be utilized on a given platform. |
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Posted by WillD on Tue Jan 8 02:24:15 2013, in response to Re: Barriers Wanted—by media, posted by Michael549 on Mon Jan 7 11:12:03 2013. I'd put them about 2-3 feet from the platform edge,So that now they're useless when it comes to preventing people from being pushed or falling into the track area in the first place? And enough of a distance away from the edge so that if the doors open in front of a railing, the riders can still exit and enter the train. And get stuck within 2 to 3 feet of a train trying to depart. Sounds like fun. At the same time, these kinds of railings do not "lock in" a particular door arrangement upon any of the subway cars. Neither do platform edge doors, despite the continual drivel from this board's members. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jan 8 13:04:19 2013, in response to Re: Barriers Wanted—by media, posted by WillD on Tue Jan 8 01:24:05 2013. Then how does a customer ask a T/O or C/R for travel info if access to the train crew is blocked by barriers? |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jan 8 13:06:01 2013, in response to Re: Barriers Wanted—by media, posted by Joe V on Mon Jan 7 16:38:26 2013. ???????? |
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Posted by JRF2 on Tue Jan 8 13:28:31 2013, in response to Re: Barriers Wanted—by media, posted by randyo on Tue Jan 8 13:04:19 2013. Whoever is operating the doors would have to have a window so that the could see what was happening on the platform. That brings up another issue-how far will the door operator be able to stick their heads out so they can see. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jan 8 13:32:14 2013, in response to Re: Barriers Wanted—by media, posted by JRF2 on Tue Jan 8 13:28:31 2013. The T/O would also need a window in case passengers at the front of the train need info. |
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Posted by JRF2 on Tue Jan 8 14:01:40 2013, in response to Re: Barriers Wanted—by media, posted by randyo on Tue Jan 8 13:32:14 2013. And for OPTO !! |
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Posted by JRF2 on Tue Jan 8 14:01:46 2013, in response to Re: Barriers Wanted—by media, posted by randyo on Tue Jan 8 13:32:14 2013. And for OPTO !! |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Tue Jan 8 14:19:41 2013, in response to Re: Barriers Wanted—by media, posted by Clayton on Sat Jan 5 14:46:59 2013. Exactly. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Tue Jan 8 14:23:21 2013, in response to Re: Barriers Wanted—by media, posted by randyo on Sat Jan 5 15:17:04 2013. +1 |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 8 17:24:51 2013, in response to Re: Barriers Wanted—by media, posted by WillD on Tue Jan 8 01:24:05 2013. It'll be an issue on low density lines, which tend to be in bad areas, since it is not very profitable to advertise there. |
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Posted by Broadway Buffer on Wed Jan 9 05:45:56 2013, in response to Re: Barriers Wanted—by media, posted by JRF2 on Tue Jan 8 14:01:40 2013. Not necessarily. If CCTV monitors are installed on the inner part of the barriers at the appropriate car marker, similar to what exists on the Canarsie Line, the entire thing could be operated with the T/O out of view.As for the travel info, presumably the "Help Points" would also be installed at these stations. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed Jan 9 20:42:21 2013, in response to Re: Mental Institutions Needed, posted by Train Dude on Sun Dec 30 23:09:04 2012. Go away Steve, you serve nothing here. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jan 9 20:44:46 2013, in response to Re: Mental Institutions Needed, posted by Train Dude on Sun Dec 30 23:09:04 2012. 11 days to come up with that totally unoriginal response, dan lawrence? Do you have dementia on your mind? |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Jan 10 09:18:26 2013, in response to Re: Mental Institutions Needed, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jan 9 20:44:46 2013. "11 days to come up with that totally unoriginal response, dan lawrence? Do you have dementia on your mind?" |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Jan 10 09:19:16 2013, in response to Re: Mental Institutions Needed, posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Dec 30 22:09:17 2012. IAWTP |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Jan 10 09:20:08 2013, in response to Re: Mental Institutions Needed, posted by Train Dude on Sun Dec 30 23:09:04 2012. The only thing behing Olog-hai is his SHADOW, which he is very fearful of. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Jan 10 09:20:23 2013, in response to Re: Mental Institutions Needed, posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed Jan 9 20:42:21 2013. IAWTP |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Jan 11 00:23:22 2013, in response to Re: Mental Institutions Needed, posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Jan 10 09:19:16 2013. Shhhhh |
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