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Re: Barriers Needed
Posted by Bill from Maspeth* on Sat Dec 29 10:48:22 2012, in response to Re: Barriers Needed, posted by MATHA531 on Sat Dec 29 10:45:28 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Well, I'll let you have the last word on this!
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Posted by tunnelrat* on Sat Dec 29 11:04:20 2012, in response to Re: Barriers Needed, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Dec 29 09:55:09 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d new roads? don`t ya have horses?
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Re: Barriers Needed
Posted by WMATAGMOAGH* on Sat Dec 29 11:11:21 2012, in response to Re: Barriers Needed, posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Dec 28 09:29:59 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d They employ the "Spanish Solution" there, so passengers exit on to the middle platform and board from the side platforms.
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Re: Mental Institutions Needed
Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Sat Dec 29 11:18:47 2012, in response to Re: Mental Institutions Needed, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 29 09:21:06 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I beg to differ. In fact, every borough in the city, except Staten Island, currently has long-term psychiatric care facilities. Other localities--especially big cities--maintain similar hospitals. No such facility has been "regulated" out of existence. There is a CDC mandate for a minimum number of psych beds--admittedly not enough, IMO--for a given catchment area, and some of these long-term beds are part of existing general hospitals. North Shore/LIJ in Queens, for example, includes Hillside Hospital, a 400-bed long-term inpatient psych hospital, about a mile east of Creedmoor, New York State's huge institution next to the Grand central Parkway.
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Posted by Broadway Lion* on Sat Dec 29 11:22:08 2012, in response to Re: Barriers Needed, posted by tunnelrat on Sat Dec 29 11:04:20 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d We got horses, but if you want our oil (or our grain) then you will need more trucks. Places that used to have no traffic to speak of now have 100 trucks per hour. Not much compared to the Lincoln Tunnel perhaps, but more than a two lane road through a small town can be expected to handle. And the ground under these roads is not as stable as it is back east. It is called GUMBO and when it gets wet it moves. ROAR
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Posted by tunnelrat* on Sat Dec 29 12:10:08 2012, in response to Re: Barriers Needed, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Dec 29 11:22:08 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d gumbo,wasn`t he the 6th. marx brother?
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Re: Barriers Needed
Posted by Olog-hai* on Sat Dec 29 12:21:20 2012, in response to Re: Barriers Needed, posted by tunnelrat on Sat Dec 29 12:10:08 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Yes, from Louisiana.
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Re: Barriers Needed
Posted by Gene B.* on Sat Dec 29 12:59:06 2012, in response to Re: Barriers Needed, posted by randyo on Fri Dec 28 17:41:34 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Ditto. I am aware of who is around me and I am as close to the wall as possible.
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Posted by Edwards!* on Sat Dec 29 14:08:39 2012, in response to Re: Barriers Needed, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Dec 29 10:48:22 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d you are right in any case..standing behind the yellow line can prevent a whole bunch of heart ache..but being NEW YORKERS..we have to look down the tunnel for the train..bringing the possibility of incidents more into the realm of reality.
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Re: Barriers Needed
Posted by Railman718* on Sat Dec 29 19:51:08 2012, in response to Re: Barriers Needed, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Dec 29 09:55:09 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Sorry I don't live in the Dakotas...
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Re: Barriers Needed
Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Sat Dec 29 20:22:52 2012, in response to Re: Barriers Needed, posted by Railman718 on Sat Dec 29 08:41:49 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d The Empty-yay has considered the problem and come up with a solution ... continuous train! :) You can't get under the train if you can't get off the platform ... problem solved!
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Posted by Railman718* on Sat Dec 29 20:29:52 2012, in response to Re: Barriers Needed, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Dec 29 20:22:52 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Some sucka will pull the cord...
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Re: Barriers Needed
Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Sat Dec 29 20:39:21 2012, in response to Re: Barriers Needed, posted by Railman718 on Sat Dec 29 20:29:52 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d NOT if the doors never open. :)
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Re: Mental Institutions Needed
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sat Dec 29 21:11:25 2012, in response to Re: Mental Institutions Needed, posted by Train Dude on Fri Dec 28 10:10:20 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d It's the unfortunate price of freedom.
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Re: Mental Institutions Needed
Posted by AlM* on Sat Dec 29 21:43:02 2012, in response to Re: Mental Institutions Needed, posted by Train Dude on Fri Dec 28 10:10:20 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Some geneticists are requesting to do a DNA study on the shooter hoping to find a marker that could help identify potentially violent people. Should the research be found to be valid, would you be in favor of mandatory genetic screening to identify such people? Such a marker can't do more than suggest a possibility, so what value can it offer? After all, all of Adam Lanza's DNA came from his two parents, and both of them made it to middle age without killing anyone. In fact, a diagnosis of schizophrenia already is such a marker, and a quite good one, in the sense that many mentally ill murderers are schizophrenic. But even that's of limited help, since most schizophrenics never try to kill anyone.
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Re: Barriers Needed
Posted by SMAZ* on Sun Dec 30 02:45:48 2012, in response to Re: Barriers Needed, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Dec 28 12:43:46 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d This is true, but only democrats have unlimited taxing and fare raising powers to pay for all of this innovation. Sure it is all nice, it is also all very expensive. Says the person who wants institutions to house all of the homeless. Are you ponying up? Oh I forgot. You're tax-exempt.
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Re: Barriers Not Needed
Posted by SMAZ* on Sun Dec 30 02:52:42 2012, in response to Re: Barriers Not Needed, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 28 06:28:02 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Maybe don't elect politicians that put nuts out onto the streets by closing down mental institutions? Agreed, since you'd be the first to get picked up.
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Re: Barriers Needed
Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Sun Dec 30 02:53:21 2012, in response to Re: Barriers Needed, posted by SMAZ on Sun Dec 30 02:45:48 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Heh. Maybe Lion can open a nut house. He can start with a few of our own republitards and make out like a Catholic hospital in NYC. He can buy REAL GRS equipment for the trains with that pin money. :)
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Re: Barriers Not Needed
Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Sun Dec 30 02:54:02 2012, in response to Re: Barriers Not Needed, posted by SMAZ on Sun Dec 30 02:52:42 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d There but by the grace of God, goes hee. :)
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Re: Barriers Needed
Posted by Grand concourse* on Sun Dec 30 02:54:54 2012, in response to Re: Barriers Needed, posted by Railman718 on Fri Dec 28 07:12:01 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d +1
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Re: Mental Institutions Needed
Posted by Grand concourse* on Sun Dec 30 02:55:58 2012, in response to Mental Institutions Needed, posted by shiznit1987 on Fri Dec 28 09:11:57 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d +1
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Posted by Grand concourse* on Sun Dec 30 02:56:21 2012, in response to Re: Barriers Needed, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Dec 28 14:49:44 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d +1
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Re: Barriers Needed
Posted by Grand concourse* on Sun Dec 30 02:56:39 2012, in response to Re: Barriers Needed, posted by Railman718 on Sat Dec 29 08:41:49 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Lol
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Posted by Grand concourse* on Sun Dec 30 03:00:34 2012, in response to Re: Barriers Needed, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Dec 29 10:26:59 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Because 'we can't be trusted to keep ourselves safe'... And let's forget about other stations like all of sea beach that could use even basic repairs if not a full reconstruction like what the rockaways got, we need those platform doors because the politicians demands it
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Posted by SMAZ* on Sun Dec 30 03:02:17 2012, in response to Re: Barriers Needed, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Dec 30 02:53:21 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d as long as they pay out of their own pockets. Lion Hospital would never accept Medicare or Medicaid. That would be recognizing Soshulizim! Reagan said so.
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Re: Barriers Needed
Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Sun Dec 30 03:05:05 2012, in response to Re: Barriers Needed, posted by SMAZ on Sun Dec 30 03:02:17 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Yeah, I'd be willing to pay cash JUST to see Olog survive vespers. C'mon ... you'd chip in to see that too. :)
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Re: Barriers Needed
Posted by G1Ravage* on Sun Dec 30 04:21:57 2012, in response to Barriers Needed, posted by MATHA531 on Fri Dec 28 05:50:51 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d So when nutcases start pushing people into traffic at intersections while they wait to cross the street, will we put up fences across all sidewalks, also?
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Re: Barriers Needed
Posted by Olog-hai* on Sun Dec 30 05:50:22 2012, in response to Re: Barriers Needed, posted by G1Ravage on Sun Dec 30 04:21:57 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Some countries have them.
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Re: Barriers Needed
Posted by Olog-hai* on Sun Dec 30 05:55:02 2012, in response to Re: Barriers Needed, posted by MATHA531 on Sat Dec 29 10:45:28 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I don't see what he could have done to prevent this Stayed away from the platform edge. Been more aware of his surroundings. Hindsight is 20/20, but how about it for the living?
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Posted by Newkirk Images* on Sun Dec 30 07:16:46 2012, in response to Re: Barriers Needed, posted by MATHA531 on Sat Dec 29 10:45:28 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d ...but Bill, how far back? And this woman was simply sitting on a bench accorfding to what I've read. I don't see what he could have done to prevent this. This nut was pacing back and forth and talking to herself. Big difference if she was on a cellphone or just ranting. That alone should make any New Yorker move down the platform. I can see barriers on outdoor platforms failing in snow and freezing rain and let's not forget vandals who will find a way to jam something in the door track to prevent it from opening. Bill Newkirk
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Re: Mental Institutions Needed
Posted by merrick1* on Sun Dec 30 07:58:51 2012, in response to Re: Mental Institutions Needed, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Dec 28 09:15:19 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Is the suspect mentally ill or is she just a bigot? Brief fair use quote. "Woman Accused of Hate-Crime Murder in Subway Push By MARC SANTORA Published: December 29, 2012 A 31-year-old woman was arrested on Saturday and charged with second-degree murder as a hate crime in connection with the death of a man who was pushed onto the tracks of an elevated subway station in Queens and crushed by an oncoming train. Enlarge This Image Police personnel patrolling the 40th Street-Lowery Street station on Friday, where a man was pushed in front of a 7 train. The woman, Erika Menendez, selected her victim because she believed him to be a Muslim or a Hindu, Richard A. Brown, the Queens district attorney, said. “The defendant is accused of committing what is every subway commuter’s nightmare: Being suddenly and senselessly pushed into the path of an oncoming train,” Mr. Brown said in an interview. In a statement, Mr. Brown quoted Ms. Menendez, “in sum and substance,” as having told the police: “I pushed a Muslim off the train tracks because I hate Hindus and Muslims ever since 2001 when they put down the twin towers I’ve been beating them up.” Ms. Menendez conflated the Muslim and Hindu faiths in her comments to the police and in her target for attack, officials said." I suppose bigotry could be considered a form of mental illness but if it is then there are a lot of mentally ill people out there
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Re: Barriers Needed
Posted by R30A* on Sun Dec 30 13:03:32 2012, in response to Re: Barriers Needed, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Dec 28 09:49:19 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Sure, but construction of such doors is still doable across the A division, as well as throughout the eastern division. I am sure that they would not run out of stations to convert before the R68s start being replaced.
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Re: Mental Institutions Needed
Posted by Dan Lawrence* on Sun Dec 30 22:09:17 2012, in response to Re: Mental Institutions Needed, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Dec 29 11:18:47 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d You have to remember that Olog is a troll (look up Olog-hai for proff) so it's best not to be nice to him. 95% of the time his posts are just plain stupid.
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Re: Mental Institutions Needed
Posted by Train Dude* on Sun Dec 30 23:09:04 2012, in response to Re: Mental Institutions Needed, posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Dec 30 22:09:17 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d That still puts him a good 5% behind you, dan lawrence
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Re: Mental Institutions Needed
Posted by Broadway Lion* on Mon Dec 31 08:14:00 2012, in response to Re: Mental Institutions Needed, posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Dec 30 22:09:17 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d He is NOT a troll, he is an ORC. You had better brush up on your Tolkien. ROAR
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Barriers Wanted—by media
Posted by Olog-hai* on Sat Jan 5 14:07:15 2013, in response to Barriers Needed, posted by MATHA531 on Fri Dec 28 05:50:51 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d There is one somewhat practical idea in this story: A company actually offered to install them for free in exchange for advertising revenue (but said nothing about maintaining them). Associated Press Jan 5, 2013 12:22 PM EST After NYC subway deaths, barriers get new eye By JENNIFER PELTZ Associated Press NEW YORK (AP) — Every day, throngs of riders stand on the edge of danger in the nation's busiest subway system, waiting on platforms with nothing between them and the tracks. Dozens of subway and light rail systems around the world have safety barriers with sliding doors on their platforms, but the idea hasn't gotten traction in New York. Yet transit officials are giving it a new look after two people were pushed and a third fell to their deaths on the tracks since early December. Safety doors would be expensive and difficult additions to the sprawling, 108-year-old subway system, but some people are urging the Metropolitan Transportation Authority to try it. A company has proposed to install the barriers for free in exchange for advertising revenue. Being shoved or bumped onto the tracks is "my biggest worry about New York," said Ed David, a cinematographer who last spring launched an online petition to install the devices after reading about a college student who was hurled onto the tracks and killed by a train amid a fight at a Brooklyn subway station. "I know that people like the roughness" of New York subways, said David, "but it's a horrible way to die, and it can be prevented." About 140 people are hit by New York City subways per year, in situations such as accidental knocks and willful leaps. Fifty-five people died last year and 47 in 2011, according to the MTA. The numbers are small compared to the 1.6 billion subway rides taken each year, and officials say a substantial proportion is suicides. But two men were killed last month in a scenario out of an urban nightmare — each propelled into the path of an onrushing train by a mumbling stranger, in separate incidents. Then a stumbling woman fell onto the tracks and died when a train hit her early on New Year's Day. Subway systems from Shanghai to Dubai to Paris have installed safety doors over the last three decades. Sometimes called platform screen doors or edge doors, the devices are generally transparent walls or barriers that run the length of a train platform, with doors or gates that align with the train's doors. They've been installed in more than 270 Tokyo stations and 530 throughout Japan since the early 1990s, according to the national Transport Ministry. Work continues on a 55-billion-yen, or $640 million, effort to install the doors throughout 29 stations that circle the city center. Still, many stations don't have them, and more than 600 people a year fling themselves to their deaths on the tracks. A 1990s London subway line extension included safety doors at eight new stations, for climate-control and safety reasons. London's transit authority says the cost of engineering the barriers into the rest of its 260 subway stations "would be quite prohibitive." In some places, the safety doors have presented some safety problems of their own. A man trying to get on a packed Shanghai train fell to the tracks and was killed when he became trapped between the subway and platform doors in 2007. Some American transit agencies have eyed platform doors over the years, but the expense has led many to focus instead on simpler measures such as safety announcements, said Martin Schroeder, the chief engineer for the American Public Transportation Association, an advocacy group. Still, there is some interest. The Federal Transit Administration is spending $275,000 to study platform doors and other ideas for minimizing passenger injuries. And some U.S. airport shuttle rails already have the barriers. The less-than-20-year-old AirTrain systems at John F. Kennedy Airport in New York and nearby Newark Liberty Airport were built with the safety doors. No passengers ever have fallen onto the tracks, says the system's operator, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. Early plans for two New York City subway line extensions, now under construction, included platform doors. But the barriers were dropped from the plans to keep costs down. The MTA made a general request for ideas on installing and financing platform doors in 2011, but hasn't acted on it. One suggestion, from architecture and engineering firm Crown Infrastructure Solutions: It would pay to build the structures, at an estimated $1 million per station for 468 stations, and recoup the cost from advertising on built-in screens. "What we found is the solution to a very relevant problem, and we found a way to off-set the costs," Vice President Anthony R. Milano said this week. Besides protecting people on the platform, the barriers would help keep litter off the tracks, potentially reducing track fires, he said. The challenges would be considerable, the MTA says. The subway system has widely varying architecture, not to mention different types of trains. "But in light of recent tragic events, we will consider the options for testing such equipment on a limited basis," the MTA said in a statement this week. The MTA said acting Director Thomas Prendergast wouldn't comment before a committee discusses the deaths at a meeting this month. Some people have blasted the safety barrier idea as profligate, unnecessary — and perhaps most damning of all, just not New York. A 2011 editorial in the Daily News dismissed the idea as "adding a touch of Disney World to New York's underground lair." Indeed, the cinematographer David's online petition for barriers in New York has hardly gone viral, garnering about 75 signatures as of this week. To riders' advocate Gene Russianoff of the Straphangers Campaign, the barriers might be useful in some places but seem unrealistic as a systemwide effort. Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who makes a point of letting New Yorkers know he takes the subway to work, said after the second pushing death that people need not "sit there and worry every day about getting pushed over the platform." "It is such a rare occurrence that no matter how tragic it is, it shouldn't change our lifestyle," he said. "We do live in a world where our subway platforms are open, and that's not going to change." Associated Press writers Elaine Kurtenbach in Tokyo, Raphael Satter in London and Kelvin Chan in Hong Kong contributed to this report.
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Re: Barriers Wanted—by media
Posted by Allan* on Sat Jan 5 14:31:00 2013, in response to Barriers Wanted—by media, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 5 14:07:15 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I think one of the issues MTA has to be concerned about is how to handle stations on B division where service is provided by mixed equipment (60' and 75' cars) as the door positions are different.
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Re: Barriers Wanted—by media
Posted by Clayton* on Sat Jan 5 14:46:59 2013, in response to Barriers Wanted—by media, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 5 14:07:15 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d If they will be maintained anything like the escalators in the system, then screw it, we don't want them.
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Re: Barriers Wanted—by media
Posted by Broadway Lion* on Sat Jan 5 14:56:00 2013, in response to Re: Barriers Wanted—by media, posted by Clayton on Sat Jan 5 14:46:59 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Yup, the less mechanical the better. Once the 75's are gone and all of the cars have their doors in the same place again, we can consider railings that are simply open where the doors line up. That will protect 60% of the platform edge and people who like the security they offer will lien up behind them, and those who want to jump in front of a train will still be able to do so. But with over 1100 platform edges, the MTA will NEVER get around to protecting them all no matter what system they use, and the Jumpers will be able to find an open platform anytime they want one. You would be better off putting stickers reminding people to stand back from the edge of the platform, and include a suicide hotline number. ROAR
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Re: Barriers Wanted—by media
Posted by randyo* on Sat Jan 5 15:17:04 2013, in response to Barriers Wanted—by media, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 5 14:07:15 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Something else that hasn't been considered is that if the safety doors are as protective as the media seem to want them to be, passengers would be unable to access either the C/R or the T/O for travel info and the barriers themselves might make the route and destination signs on the trains difficult or impossible to read. There are other factors involved that would make the installation of such barriers impractical for the NYCTS even though they may work on other systems. I haven't noticed anybody clamoring for barriers if this type in places like Chicago, Philly or Boston or even the newer systems like WMATA or BART which I'm sure are just as prone to incidents of this type as NY is, unless we're just not hearing about it here.
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Re: Barriers Wanted—by media
Posted by Joe V* on Sat Jan 5 15:59:54 2013, in response to Re: Barriers Wanted—by media, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Jan 5 14:56:00 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Some lines never get 75' cars. Perhaps just put up a waste-high railing as there is now at the #7's GCS platform ends, but also between the spotting of doors. A subway pusher would have to have better aim, and the victim might have something to grab hold of while being pushed.
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Re: Barriers Wanted—by media
Posted by Broadway Lion* on Sat Jan 5 17:01:33 2013, in response to Re: Barriers Wanted—by media, posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 5 15:59:54 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Yup... That is all it needs. ROAR
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Re: Barriers Wanted—by media
Posted by Allan* on Sat Jan 5 19:44:57 2013, in response to Re: Barriers Wanted—by media, posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 5 15:59:54 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d A very good idea simple enough and low cost but you know the MTA: 1) Too cheap 2) not 21st Century 3) makes too much sense [waist high not waste high]
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Re: Barriers Wanted—by media
Posted by AlM* on Sat Jan 5 21:13:37 2013, in response to Re: Barriers Wanted—by media, posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 5 15:59:54 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Yes, that is an excellent idea for platforms where all cars using it are the same length.
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Re: Barriers Wanted—by media
Posted by WillD* on Sat Jan 5 23:32:34 2013, in response to Re: Barriers Wanted—by media, posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 5 15:59:54 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d That just presents the same stop position problems as a platform screen door but none of the benefit.
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Re: Barriers Wanted—by media
Posted by Joe V* on Sun Jan 6 08:13:22 2013, in response to Re: Barriers Wanted—by media, posted by WillD on Sat Jan 5 23:32:34 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Mr. WillD: There is the "little" matter of cost. The alternative is do nothing. Platform screen door are just one more electrical device that will break down (along with the escalator and MC vending machines). I did say this could not be done where there are 75' cars, which will soon be on their way out, but the whole IRT is 51' cars.
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Re: Barriers Wanted—by media
Posted by Edwards!* on Sun Jan 6 15:04:00 2013, in response to Re: Barriers Wanted—by media, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Jan 5 14:56:00 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d hmmm...something like the platform markers at Fulton st...
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Re: Barriers Wanted—by media
Posted by AlM* on Sun Jan 6 15:39:09 2013, in response to Re: Barriers Wanted—by media, posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 6 08:13:22 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d And the L, M, and J never see 75 foot cars. And possibly through some reasonable management practices a portion of the rest of the B division could be made permanently 75-foot-car-free.
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Re: Barriers Wanted—by media
Posted by randyo* on Sun Jan 6 15:51:52 2013, in response to Re: Barriers Wanted—by media, posted by AlM on Sun Jan 6 15:39:09 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d No line can be 100% "75 ft car free" since all it takes is one service disruption that would require a train of 75 ft cars to be rerouted to such an area and all bets are off.
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Re: Barriers Needed
Posted by randyo* on Sun Jan 6 15:59:47 2013, in response to Re: Barriers Needed, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Dec 28 08:12:47 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d As I mentioned in another post regarding "75 Ft free" lines, all you need is one service disruption that requires a train of "forbidden equipment" to be routed to one of those lines and everything goes out the window.
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