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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Sep 13 22:11:14 2012, in response to MTA Briefs Residents on Proposed Metro-North Expansion in Bronx, posted by Gold_12TH on Thu Sep 13 20:46:02 2012. great! |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Sep 13 23:48:51 2012, in response to MTA Briefs Residents on Proposed Metro-North Expansion in Bronx, posted by Gold_12TH on Thu Sep 13 20:46:02 2012. If they do it, it would be excellent. |
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Posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Thu Sep 13 23:57:01 2012, in response to MTA Briefs Residents on Proposed Metro-North Expansion in Bronx, posted by Gold_12TH on Thu Sep 13 20:46:02 2012. I don't know about the other stations but I can see the Morris Park stop being built with all the Einstein/Montefiore folks there. Plus, it's not really a residential area so minimal NIMBY interaction would be needed (except for the potential "parking problem") |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Sep 14 00:04:40 2012, in response to Re: MTA Briefs Residents on Proposed Metro-North Expansion in Bronx, posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Thu Sep 13 23:57:01 2012. Besides the hospitals, there's a major new business park that was built on the east side of the tracks. |
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Posted by Concourse Express on Fri Sep 14 01:29:52 2012, in response to MTA Briefs Residents on Proposed Metro-North Expansion in Bronx, posted by Gold_12TH on Thu Sep 13 20:46:02 2012. Awesome!visit my blog! |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Sep 14 02:20:36 2012, in response to MTA Briefs Residents on Proposed Metro-North Expansion in Bronx, posted by Gold_12TH on Thu Sep 13 20:46:02 2012. I'll believe it when I ride it. |
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Posted by chud1 on Fri Sep 14 04:53:04 2012, in response to MTA Briefs Residents on Proposed Metro-North Expansion in Bronx, posted by Gold_12TH on Thu Sep 13 20:46:02 2012. great,now i can go railfaning in my home boro da bronx again.chud1 |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Sep 14 06:56:55 2012, in response to MTA Briefs Residents on Proposed Metro-North Expansion in Bronx, posted by Gold_12TH on Thu Sep 13 20:46:02 2012. Fantastic idea- and in fact, this is a more practical version of the NUWB- albeit decades later.Of course, read between the lines- a few NIMBYs concerned about outsiders parking in their neighborhoods and lack of funding (even for a relatively cheap project) will probably kill it. But I do think its a great idea! |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Fri Sep 14 11:16:11 2012, in response to Re: MTA Briefs Residents on Proposed Metro-North Expansion in Bronx, posted by Nilet on Fri Sep 14 02:20:36 2012. What size Briefs do they wear? Any XXL? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Sep 14 12:09:15 2012, in response to Re: MTA Briefs Residents on Proposed Metro-North Expansion in Bronx, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Sep 14 06:56:55 2012. this is a "good" idea..but the cost to Bronx riders will be the major offset..Also..since the lines ARE SUBURBAN ROUTES...THEY WILL BE CROWDED to/ from PENN STA.. One can see early on the problems that are going to rise from these links.. A way we can solve the CO-OP CITY issue is to use the original SAS option..building the line alongside the Amtrak row now. it will be cheaper than tunneling..stations could be provided as a semi-shuttle service at least to 138th st..for transfer to the 6,until the art of the SAS PHASE 2 SECTION IS COMPLETED to joint the two sections. a bridge could be built over the Harlem river instead of a tunnel to keep cost down.. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Sep 14 16:42:56 2012, in response to Re: MTA Briefs Residents on Proposed Metro-North Expansion in Bronx, posted by Edwards! on Fri Sep 14 12:09:15 2012. Also..since the lines ARE SUBURBAN ROUTES...THEY WILL BE CROWDED to/ from PENN STA..Only during the rush hour. And that is easily solved by adding a few trains that start further down the line, like Rye. I do agree that extending the SAS along the ROW would be much more useful, but it would also be orders of magnitude more expensive, and probably never actually get done. I'd rather something realistic be planned, and that's what this project is. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 14 16:57:42 2012, in response to MTA Briefs Residents on Proposed Metro-North Expansion in Bronx, posted by Gold_12TH on Thu Sep 13 20:46:02 2012. Why do they even bother, since it's never going to happen. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Sep 14 19:47:38 2012, in response to Re: MTA Briefs Residents on Proposed Metro-North Expansion in Bronx, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Sep 14 16:42:56 2012. It IS realistic..and its been on the books for years..the question is..why hasn't it been looked at? Also..RUSH HOURS is the time when the most riders would us such a service,so why would a "RYE" ONLY TRAIN SUFFICE..when you could provide subway service at 3-5 minutes apart? |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Sep 15 23:05:37 2012, in response to MTA Briefs Residents on Proposed Metro-North Expansion in Bronx, posted by Gold_12TH on Thu Sep 13 20:46:02 2012. I am surprised at the exact location of the Morris Park station. I thought it would be a rebuilding of the former station in the area, which was just across Eastchester Road. |
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Posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Sat Sep 15 23:27:19 2012, in response to Re: MTA Briefs Residents on Proposed Metro-North Expansion in Bronx, posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Sep 15 23:05:37 2012. The MTA wised up when it comes to potential NIMBY's. There's a row of houses a couple of blocks from the old station...Best not to ruffle any feathers here... Tucked away while being centrally located... |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Sep 16 05:15:54 2012, in response to Re: MTA Briefs Residents on Proposed Metro-North Expansion in Bronx, posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Sat Sep 15 23:27:19 2012. The station I was thinking of is not the one that was called Morris Park (which now serves as a clubhouse for some local group), but rather the one called Westchester, which was an island platform between the tracks. You can see in the picture how the tracks separated for the platform just south of where the new platform is supposed to be. The old one was even slightly closer to Einstein Hospital, and certainly to Calvary. But the new one is closer to Hutchinson Metro Center. And it looks to be much more elaborate than the old one ever was.All the proposed stations are at or near the sites of former stations: Co-op City was Baychester Morris Park was Westchester (not Morris Park) Parkchester was Van Nest Hunts Point was Hunts Point, the only one of the four to keep the same name (Information on the former stations comes from Joe Brennan's page on abandoned Bronx railroad stations.) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Sep 16 15:22:54 2012, in response to Re: MTA Briefs Residents on Proposed Metro-North Expansion in Bronx, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 14 16:57:42 2012. I have to agree with you on this... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 16 15:33:13 2012, in response to MTA Briefs Residents on Proposed Metro-North Expansion in Bronx, posted by Gold_12TH on Thu Sep 13 20:46:02 2012. The West Side line is pointless. The Hudson line carries the fewest number of passengers on the EOH lines and there are enough trains coming into NYP from the west. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 16 15:38:48 2012, in response to Re: MTA Briefs Residents on Proposed Metro-North Expansion in Bronx, posted by Edwards! on Fri Sep 14 12:09:15 2012. Metro North caters to Bronx riders during peak hours with special short runs on the Harlem (to/from Mount Vernon West) and Hudson (to/from Greystone). I can see the same being done here with trains beginning/ending at New Rochelle. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Sep 16 15:52:18 2012, in response to Re: MTA Briefs Residents on Proposed Metro-North Expansion in Bronx, posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Sep 16 05:15:54 2012. Everything is much more elaborate than it ever was or ever needs to be. Instead of putting up a station that looks like an office complex they should keep it simple and as unadorned as possible.wayne |
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Posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Sun Sep 16 16:01:31 2012, in response to Re: MTA Briefs Residents on Proposed Metro-North Expansion in Bronx, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 16 15:33:13 2012. Does the West Side line even have political/community support? I know Morris Park and Co-op City has political and community board backing... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 16 17:06:09 2012, in response to Re: MTA Briefs Residents on Proposed Metro-North Expansion in Bronx, posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Sun Sep 16 16:01:31 2012. Indeed, it serves no one. The Hell Gate line brings rail transit to underserved parts of the Bronx. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Sun Sep 16 17:10:06 2012, in response to Re: MTA Briefs Residents on Proposed Metro-North Expansion in Bronx, posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Sun Sep 16 16:01:31 2012. A station at 125th Street would serve Columbia University's Manhattanville Campus expansion. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 16 17:16:54 2012, in response to Re: MTA Briefs Residents on Proposed Metro-North Expansion in Bronx, posted by merrick1 on Sun Sep 16 17:10:06 2012. That's what the #1 line is for. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Sep 16 17:21:43 2012, in response to Re: MTA Briefs Residents on Proposed Metro-North Expansion in Bronx, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 16 17:16:54 2012. Including the long-standing transfer at Marble Hill station. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Sep 16 18:07:01 2012, in response to Re: MTA Briefs Residents on Proposed Metro-North Expansion in Bronx, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 16 15:33:13 2012. False. Hudson line access to NY Penn would be a popular service. Inter alia, it would allow transfers to Amtrak, which are now difficult from GCT. Direct service to Columbia and Lincoln Center would also be much faster than the current required transfer at Marble Hill to the 1 train. |
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Posted by fset on Sun Sep 16 21:45:20 2012, in response to Re: MTA Briefs Residents on Proposed Metro-North Expansion in Bronx, posted by italianstallion on Sun Sep 16 18:07:01 2012. Is the purpose of the West Side line merely to run trains through NYP and out again the other side, getting them out of the station and serving a few new areas?? Is there a yard on the west side that can be used? |
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Posted by Asgard on Mon Sep 17 00:12:34 2012, in response to Re: MTA Briefs Residents on Proposed Metro-North Expansion in Bronx, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 16 15:38:48 2012. I don't know about the Greystone service, but in the current Harlem Line timetable, there is only one Mt. Vernon West train in each direction -- 8:03 AM from MVW, arriving GCT at 8:36, and 6:49 PM from GCT, arriving MVW at 7:22. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 17 17:23:45 2012, in response to Re: MTA Briefs Residents on Proposed Metro-North Expansion in Bronx, posted by fset on Sun Sep 16 21:45:20 2012. I doubt they would run much out the other side. If they run inbound in the AM peak, there would not be much need to send them all east reverse-peak.There is no yard on the west side they would use, just some stub track west of the platforms. Even if space were available in the LIRR yard, it can only access track 14 and north while the Empire line can only access track 9 and south. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Sep 18 06:47:42 2012, in response to Re: MTA Briefs Residents on Proposed Metro-North Expansion in Bronx, posted by Edwards! on Fri Sep 14 12:09:15 2012. I think that makes sense as well. As we've discussed on here, there were proposals to run the subway along the Hsrlem Kine. While that's only feasible if we conver the local MNRR stations, like Botanical Gardens, Williamsbridge, Melrose etc to the subway, maybe the Hell Gate Line (is that the proper name) has the spare cpacity for subway service.But also, what's so attractive to e about this restored NYWB-type service is that it's so doable. Let's focus on projects that really stand a chance. SAS from Co-Op City to Tottenville would be great, but... |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Sep 18 06:53:56 2012, in response to Re: MTA Briefs Residents on Proposed Metro-North Expansion in Bronx, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Sep 14 16:42:56 2012. IAWTP. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Sep 18 06:57:17 2012, in response to Re: MTA Briefs Residents on Proposed Metro-North Expansion in Bronx, posted by Asgard on Mon Sep 17 00:12:34 2012. But don't some North White Plains locals stop there? When I lived in white Plains (1995-96) there were 3 rush horu services from GCT- express to Southeast (then known as "Brewster North"), with a pick-up only stop at 125th, no other stops before WP, another service that ran truly non-stop from GCT to Scarsdale, hartsdale, WP, and NWP.And a local that made its first stop in MV West, and all stops to North WP...plus Bronx locals I didn't use... |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Sep 18 13:25:03 2012, in response to Re: MTA Briefs Residents on Proposed Metro-North Expansion in Bronx, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Sep 18 06:47:42 2012. As long as you brought up the NYW&B, I wonder if that RR could have accessed Penn Sta via the NH since it was a NH subsidiary. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 18 13:42:02 2012, in response to Re: MTA Briefs Residents on Proposed Metro-North Expansion in Bronx, posted by randyo on Tue Sep 18 13:25:03 2012. If the NH wanted it to, it could have. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Sep 18 13:50:04 2012, in response to Re: MTA Briefs Residents on Proposed Metro-North Expansion in Bronx, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Sep 18 06:47:42 2012. But how doable is this? This is purely Amtrak territory, and it looks like they used some of the extra ROW to smooth out curves. I don't think they're going to like people messing even further with NEC performance, not without some giveback. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Sep 18 14:35:36 2012, in response to Re: MTA Briefs Residents on Proposed Metro-North Expansion in Bronx, posted by Asgard on Mon Sep 17 00:12:34 2012. And one train originating at New Rochelle for Bronx riders would do. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Sep 18 14:41:15 2012, in response to Re: MTA Briefs Residents on Proposed Metro-North Expansion in Bronx, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Sep 18 06:57:17 2012. Yes. The idea behind the MVW train is to separate the Bronx and Westchester commuters during the height of the rush hour.All three lines separate services in the local part of each route at the height of the rush hour. On the Harlem, some trains run to or from Crestwood and trains operating north of here bypass the lower stations, assuring every rider gets a seat. On the New Haven, the line between Mount Vernon and Stamford is divided into 3 sections (MVE to New Rochelle, Larchmont to Harrison, Rye to Stamford). East of Stamford, there are runs which run only as far as South Norwalk and Bridgeport. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Sep 18 14:43:48 2012, in response to Re: MTA Briefs Residents on Proposed Metro-North Expansion in Bronx, posted by italianstallion on Sun Sep 16 18:07:01 2012. Hudson line riders only account for 20% of Metro North EOH demand.Would it be nice to have the Hudson line accessing NYP? Yes. Is it worth the cost and effort? No. Remember, only the dual modes would be able to access it, and I am sure most people north of Croton-Harmon prefer Grand Central to Penn Station. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Sep 18 15:25:55 2012, in response to Re: MTA Briefs Residents on Proposed Metro-North Expansion in Bronx, posted by italianstallion on Sun Sep 16 18:07:01 2012. Hudson line already has Amtrak service, makes sense if one lives along the Hudson line to drive to a station on the Hudson line that the Empire trains stop at and take it into NYP and transfer to whatever Amtrak service you need there. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Sep 18 15:37:50 2012, in response to MTA Briefs Residents on Proposed Metro-North Expansion in Bronx, posted by Gold_12TH on Thu Sep 13 20:46:02 2012. Upper West Side station would most likely be underground I'm assuming...LOUD P32s in diesel mode going pass you in a enclosed space... I remember I was sitting in the underground Portion of the Fordam station when a P32 though train to either Wassic or Danbury came though and the sound was !!!!! Even as a foamer it was a bit too loud and I love how those P32s sound. They are softer on the ears in E mode. But these proposed MN stations on these two Amtrak line seem like a great place to do train watching/railfanning off peak hours as the station would be empty!... due to no trains serving these stops off peak. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Sep 18 16:26:08 2012, in response to Re: MTA Briefs Residents on Proposed Metro-North Expansion in Bronx, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Sep 18 15:25:55 2012. Sure, if you want to pay premium prices and wait for long headways at limited stops. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Sep 18 17:19:10 2012, in response to Re: MTA Briefs Residents on Proposed Metro-North Expansion in Bronx, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Sep 18 15:25:55 2012. I thought Amtrak doesn't allow people to go to Penn Station from Croton Harmon or Poughkeepsie. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Tue Sep 18 19:00:09 2012, in response to Re: MTA Briefs Residents on Proposed Metro-North Expansion in Bronx, posted by 3-9 on Tue Sep 18 17:19:10 2012. The Amtrak web site gives ticket prices between Croton Harmon and Poughkeepsie and NY Penn. The cheapest ticket from Croton Harmon is $18 the cheapest from Poughkeepsie is $24. Some trains cost more. |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Sep 18 19:02:10 2012, in response to Re: MTA Briefs Residents on Proposed Metro-North Expansion in Bronx, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Sep 18 14:43:48 2012. I think Hudson to NYP will happen, but I agree with you- Providing direct Hudson to NYP alone would not justify such.But Moving Poughkeepsie trains to Penn allows for: 1- Increased Harlem and New Haven line service into GCT using the slots vacated by Hudson line trains, which is desperately needed 2- Allows for Dual Modes from New Haven, Danbury, and Waterbury to run through Penn to POU, allowing for single engine trains instead of the double ended absurdities LIRR is forced to deal with. Of course, such would be unbalanced during rush hours, but would certainly help with capacity issues during peak hours. |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Sep 18 19:02:47 2012, in response to Re: MTA Briefs Residents on Proposed Metro-North Expansion in Bronx, posted by merrick1 on Tue Sep 18 19:00:09 2012. You can even book Yonkers to NYP! |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Sep 18 22:46:31 2012, in response to Re: MTA Briefs Residents on Proposed Metro-North Expansion in Bronx, posted by merrick1 on Tue Sep 18 19:00:09 2012. You can even book Yonkers to NYP! |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Sep 19 07:10:34 2012, in response to Re: MTA Briefs Residents on Proposed Metro-North Expansion in Bronx, posted by randyo on Tue Sep 18 13:25:03 2012. I believe that others on here posted that there were some legal reasons it didn't...and the voltage was different, maybe. Sorry- I can't do better than that.But this proposed route is basically the NYWB brought back to life. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Sep 19 07:13:04 2012, in response to Re: MTA Briefs Residents on Proposed Metro-North Expansion in Bronx, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Sep 18 15:25:55 2012. When I lived in Yonkers (Nov 1996- Feb. 1999), I accessed the Metroliner to DC just like that. |
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