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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 25 16:53:03 2012, in response to MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Jul 25 16:15:00 2012. The MTA does not exist to provide perks for it's employees. It exists to provide transit to the taxpayer. |
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Posted by TERRapin station on Wed Jul 25 17:11:09 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 25 16:53:03 2012. What perks? And it's its, not it's. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Wed Jul 25 17:51:54 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 25 16:53:03 2012. Nazis like you need to get out of the way so we can rebuild the working class. The useless eater 1%ers won't help and DON'T CARE about America. GOD DAMN HIS NAZI "SOUL" |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Jul 25 19:28:33 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by RockParkMan on Wed Jul 25 17:51:54 2012. Steal from the many for the benefit of the few. |
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Posted by The Silence on Wed Jul 25 19:45:28 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by RockParkMan on Wed Jul 25 17:51:54 2012. the unions, as entities, are the ones in the way, not him, not the gipper, not me, not the MTA, not the so called 1% (which, news flash, doesn't exist like you think it does).it's all "Gimmie, Gimmie, Gimmie" with them. they're the greedy ones. they're the nazis. they're the ones feeding off the working class, and engrain into the workers not to question them. questions like "why are we giving our dues to a candidate we didn't have a say in picking?" Or "why does the head of the union get a six figure salary, while we get nothing?" they don't care about the workers, they never have, they only care about themselves. I will bet you anything that Mr. Samulson's car is not something anyone else on his track gang would be afford. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jul 25 20:20:36 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 25 16:53:03 2012. What kind of perks Chris? |
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Posted by Southern BMT on Wed Jul 25 20:48:21 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by The Silence on Wed Jul 25 19:45:28 2012. TWU members do dangerous jobs for little pay and are constantly getting vilified by newspapers (that bash all city employees, by the way). A cost of living increase is not unreasonable.they're the ones feeding off the working class Unions CREATED the working class and union members ARE working class. We are talking about skilled laborers (people who have gone through months or more of training) who make far less than what the average NYer makes in private industry. |
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Posted by Train2104 on Wed Jul 25 20:53:24 2012, in response to MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Jul 25 16:15:00 2012. This morning the MTA official presenting the budget stressed that the MTA was willing to give wage increases so long as they're paid for by work rules or other labor givebacks. I think the media is misinterpreting that as no raises. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jul 25 20:59:22 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by Southern BMT on Wed Jul 25 20:48:21 2012. In exchange for that lower salary is a guaranteed (essentially) pension and protection against loss of work due to downsizing. Private industry doesn't hold a candle to that; I can't name any company I would trust my future in over the long haul. Pensions are fast becoming a thing of the past, and 401Ks are at the will of the economy. Remember it's not their financial standing now, its what it will be 30 years from now. Apple and Google look good now but technology changes at a far faster rate, they can easily find themselves in the dust.Those higher private industry salaries are necessary since the difference has to go into funding your own retirement... or *should*, people are really stupid with money now and I bet a lot of these six figure 20somethings will be begging for government aid in 10 years, but I digress... |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jul 25 21:02:01 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jul 25 20:59:22 2012. ........"protection against loss of work due to downsizing".Where was the "protection" to the station agents who were laid off when Walder closed all the booths? |
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Posted by Southern BMT on Wed Jul 25 21:12:28 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jul 25 20:59:22 2012. Exactly... it is a tradeoff. Private industry offers substantially higher salaries, substantially better working conditions, and substantially higher risk than public service.My point is that we're being very selective when we look at the nice parts of union jobs and cry about how anyone who contributes to a pension plan is a freeloader because their benefits are guaranteed (while forgetting that for the 30+ years they work in that field that person earns a salary that makes it difficult to raise a family on and puts up with a working environment those in private industry can't even imagine) or that person is greedy when the union asks for a raise (when we would never say that about a private employee who asks his/her boss for more money). |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jul 25 21:21:32 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by Southern BMT on Wed Jul 25 21:12:28 2012. or that person is greedy when the union asks for a raise (when we would never say that about a private employee who asks his/her boss for more money).The issue is *all* employees get that raise. If it were based entirely on merit I think far fewer people would have an issue... substantially better working conditions Private industry had me standing on a roof pulling 40lb cinderblocks up 5 flights with nothing but a bucket and rope in the freezing rain. And working 16 hr days for 12 straight days with exactly $0 in overtime, since the tech industry is overtime exempt. This same private industry that fired a manager who had the gall to offer 2 hours comp time for every 4 hours unpaid overtime worked. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Wed Jul 25 21:23:33 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jul 25 21:21:32 2012. Which is why America needs unions with POWER to blacklist Nazis from holding any job or owning any business. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jul 25 21:25:31 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by Train2104 on Wed Jul 25 20:53:24 2012. with any contract the negoriations are always Dollar for Dollar . union get a 10% raise over 4 years and MTA gets 10% in givebacks in work rules or in this case health insurance.it is never gimmy gimmy gimmy. |
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Posted by Southern BMT on Wed Jul 25 21:38:26 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jul 25 21:21:32 2012. The issue is *all* employees get that raise. If it were based entirely on merit I think far fewer people would have an issue...But in public service, raises for merit simply wouldn't be given. The city would put pressure on the agency to overlook merit in the interest of saving money. In addition, a uniform salary schedule is necessary to ensure that those who speak up about safety issues or contract violations aren't retaliated against (as a teacher, I can't tell you how many times I have seen a principal suddenly start giving teachers unsatisfactory ratings when they speak up or get involved with the union). Private industry had me standing on a roof pulling 40lb cinderblocks up 5 flights with nothing but a bucket and rope in the freezing rain. And working 16 hr days for 12 straight days with exactly $0 in overtime, since the tech industry is overtime exempt. That is not the norm in private industry. And if a private employee gets stuck in a situation like that, he or she can look for other employers who offer the same job. A public servant does not have that option. This same private industry that fired a manager who had the gall to offer 2 hours comp time for every 4 hours unpaid overtime worked. You are right -- that is a bad situation. And that is exactly why unions are needed...to prevent this kind of exploitation of the workforce. We as members of the working class should be celebrating when workers are protected from being exploited -- not saying "if some of us can be exploited then we should all be able to be exploited". |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 25 21:42:07 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by Southern BMT on Wed Jul 25 21:38:26 2012. Whole republican philosophy is that if the managers get to pocket more money, maybe they'll buy you a soda if you shine their shoes ... |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jul 25 21:45:31 2012, in response to MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Jul 25 16:15:00 2012. Well, no kidding. How is this a surprise!1) Eliminate Health Care and Retirement 2) Pay the workers enough money so that they can buy their own health care and retirement policies/investments. It is about time that the workers got out from under the thumb of the city/state and their sloppy bookkeeping and lawmaking that steals the funds that workers are entitled to but will likely never get. ROAR |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jul 25 21:52:24 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by Southern BMT on Wed Jul 25 21:38:26 2012. But in public service, raises for merit simply wouldn't be given.Tell that to United University Professionals (UUP). It works nicely because dead weight gets only the COL raises, while those who actually get work done get the merit raises. The end result is someone who's there for 3 years can find themselves making more than someone doing the same job (poorly) for 5 years. Which is how it should be. And if a private employee gets stuck in a situation like that, he or she can look for other employers who offer the same job. A public servant does not have that option. A public servant has equal opportunity in working in private industry as another person from private industry; a resume is a resume. The reverse, however, is not possible, since in most cases only entry level positions are available for civil service. And that is exactly why unions are needed...to prevent this kind of exploitation of the workforce. I agree. That manager was fired because the highest level wanted 0 hours of comp time for 4 hours unpaid OT. The staff obviously wanted 1:1. He figured 1:2 would be a good compromise, but then the guys regularly pulling 60 hr/wks on their 40 hr/wk paycheck started taking their comp time, and since they're understaffed, no one was around to pick up the slack. The solution wasn't to hire more staff, just get rid of the comp time and those who enabled it. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Jul 25 21:54:04 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 25 16:53:03 2012. Chris what kind of perks?Will you have the guts to answer? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 25 21:59:54 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jul 25 21:52:24 2012. Not quite true with civil service ... there's plenty of "management confidential" positions available for highly skilled jobs ... only problem there is that there's no civil service protection and they pay maybe $10k a year more than they pay the grunts ... needless to say, they keep getting re-advertised. :) |
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Posted by Southern BMT on Wed Jul 25 22:03:16 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jul 25 21:52:24 2012. Tell that to United University Professionals (UUP). It works nicely because dead weight gets only the COL raises, while those who actually get work done get the merit raises. The end result is someone who's there for 3 years can find themselves making more than someone doing the same job (poorly) for 5 years. Which is how it should be.I am unfamiliar with UUP, but can tell you from experience that I have seen many supervisors who consider "dead weight" to be whomever speaks up when the contract is violated or open questions the supervisor's directives and "good" employees to be those who kiss up. A public servant has equal opportunity in working in private industry as another person from private industry; a resume is a resume. Not true. What private industries are hiring train operators or conductors? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 25 22:05:26 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by Southern BMT on Wed Jul 25 22:03:16 2012. Hiring right now ...
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Jul 25 22:08:56 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 25 22:05:26 2012. They make Money as well!!! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 25 22:20:09 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by Railman718 on Wed Jul 25 22:08:56 2012. Private sector, ready and waiting for foamers. :) |
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Posted by WillD on Thu Jul 26 00:13:22 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by orange blossom special on Wed Jul 25 19:28:33 2012. Yes, that's an excellent summation of Voodoo Economics. Well said. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 26 00:14:38 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by WillD on Thu Jul 26 00:13:22 2012. And it's not even working for THEM anymore. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Jul 26 00:30:26 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by Southern BMT on Wed Jul 25 22:03:16 2012. What private industries are hiring train operators or conductors?I have seen many supervisors who consider "dead weight" to be whomever speaks up when the contract is violated or open questions the supervisor's directives and "good" employees to be those who kiss up. In UUP that is an abuse that can be brought to the union office, and the slighted worker would likely get the raise with retroactive pay. Proving this type of abuse is rather easy in an office environment (documented progress reports, co-workers and student staff as witnesses) so no one dares try that crap. Conversely, I have seen CSEA (which follows strict "everyone gets equal pay raises" rules) actually screw someone over who deserved a raise. A newly promoted person realized that her job position should have been set at a higher pay grade. If she was UUP, they would have easily been able to bump her salary accordingly, but with CSEA they would have to reclassify the title. She fought and successfully got the position reclassified... except she did not meet the experience requirement for the new title. So in trying to get a raise she managed to reclassify herself out of a job (I think she still had the option to go back to her pre-promotion position... either way it was messed up, she quit in frustration). |
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Posted by WillD on Thu Jul 26 00:35:49 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 26 00:14:38 2012. Well technically it never worked for anyone. Raygun's implementation created a huge recession. Then, proving themselves to be insane by trying the same thing and expecting a different outcome, Dubya did it and amazingly we got a huge recession. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 26 00:39:59 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by WillD on Thu Jul 26 00:35:49 2012. Yeah, but they're up at bat again. THIS time is certainly going to be different. :) |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Jul 26 00:46:16 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 25 21:59:54 2012. they pay maybe $10k a year more than they pay the gruntsActually not really... Compare the MC Salary grades to the unionized equivalent... It's across the board 7% lower for the same grade. This is precisely due to lack of union protection, raises have been "administratively witheld" since 2008. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 26 00:50:43 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Jul 26 00:46:16 2012. Wow ... that explains all the openings then ... I was amazed. Got an invite back for the "SCADA crisis" and saw what they were offering. I lol'd. :) |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Thu Jul 26 05:37:40 2012, in response to MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Jul 25 16:15:00 2012. I could tell immediately that this was a Post article.... |
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Thu Jul 26 08:06:21 2012, in response to MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Jul 25 16:15:00 2012. 7 months?I haven't had a city contract for over a year and half... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 26 08:08:36 2012, in response to MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Jul 25 16:15:00 2012. Why does anyone think of strategic breaks with the CPUSA as being in any way credible anymore? It was a lie back then and it's a lie now. |
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Posted by TERRapin station on Thu Jul 26 08:11:41 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by TERRapin station on Wed Jul 25 17:11:09 2012. Bump. |
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Posted by North-Easten T/O on Thu Jul 26 08:12:04 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by Railman718 on Wed Jul 25 21:54:04 2012. Well Railman don't we pay taxes? I just saying. Right. |
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Posted by TERRapin station on Thu Jul 26 08:13:08 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by North-Easten T/O on Thu Jul 26 08:12:04 2012. What does that have to do with this? |
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Posted by North-Easten T/O on Thu Jul 26 08:19:27 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by TERRapin station on Thu Jul 26 08:13:08 2012. We pay our fair share of taxes, so would should get our fair share to earn a good Pay Check. If you have not notice that every thing is going up and my pay has stayed the same. $3.50 a galleon of gas X21 is a lot of money.Oh I forgot dose daddy help you out. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Jul 26 08:20:16 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by North-Easten T/O on Thu Jul 26 08:19:27 2012. Rob is it worth opening a can of worms with this guy?If you do ill have to feed him... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Jul 26 08:20:57 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by North-Easten T/O on Thu Jul 26 08:12:04 2012. Im still waiting for him to tell us what perks we got.. |
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Posted by North-Easten T/O on Thu Jul 26 08:21:40 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by Train2104 on Wed Jul 25 20:53:24 2012. The MTA like to negotiate in the media, so this way it look like the union is the bad guys. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Jul 26 08:23:00 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Thu Jul 26 08:06:21 2012. Hey thats the Union doing what they do looking out for their members...If you ask some of us you will get a different story... |
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Posted by North-Easten T/O on Thu Jul 26 08:23:28 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by Railman718 on Thu Jul 26 08:20:16 2012. I did not open it up all the way. I want to a good chuckle today. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Jul 26 08:24:41 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by Train2104 on Wed Jul 25 20:53:24 2012. This morning the MTA official presenting the budget stressed that the MTA was willing to give wage increases so long as they're paid for by work rules or other labor givebacks. I think the media is misinterpreting that as no raises.We went over this story before months ago, the Union was informing us, the difference is im not sure the press was involved.. |
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Posted by North-Easten T/O on Thu Jul 26 08:26:27 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by Railman718 on Thu Jul 26 08:20:57 2012. We get free water(sometimes), TP in our bathrooms(sometimes), soup in our bathroom (Sometimes). |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 26 08:29:48 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by Railman718 on Thu Jul 26 08:20:57 2012. Perks?They let you take all the winter vacations you want (of course don't try to get one in the summer to do things with your family until you have 20 years. They may give you a day off for an important family event IF they can get coverage and IF they are not over on the overtime budget. They allow you to work as many holidays as you want because you'd rather be doing that than being with your family. If there is an emergency and you have to stay, they'll see that you have fresh water and new batteries for your flashlight. Yeah, you have lots of perks |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 26 08:34:55 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by North-Easten T/O on Thu Jul 26 08:21:40 2012. Well, the TWU does the same thing. Except they spend your dues in the media on causes that do not benefit the members. Official TWU presence at the OWS crime camp for example or members marching in TWU Tees in support of stopping the NYPD "Stop and Frisk" law. Get your union to work for you and fuck the political shit. |
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Posted by North-Easten T/O on Thu Jul 26 08:43:33 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 26 08:34:55 2012. Your right about this Train Dude. |
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Posted by Handbrake on Thu Jul 26 08:58:35 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 25 16:53:03 2012. Are you employed where you receive little to no compensation? |
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