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Posted by B1bus on Thu Jul 26 22:24:44 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by Railman718 on Thu Jul 26 22:18:57 2012. Nope, I didn't get fired. I left on my own accord. NO pressure from them. My own pressure from getting abused. I was a baad employee. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Jul 26 22:27:24 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by B1bus on Thu Jul 26 22:24:44 2012. Then thats on you then.. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jul 26 22:31:19 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by B1bus on Thu Jul 26 22:14:43 2012. You haven't asnwered my question! |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 26 22:46:38 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jul 26 22:06:05 2012. We were able to get the wing tips which were not too bad, all things considered. I also got a pair of black boots which have held up quite well although they are heavy. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 26 22:49:55 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by B1bus on Thu Jul 26 22:17:23 2012. Sour grapes make bitter whine |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Jul 26 22:52:31 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 26 22:49:55 2012. Couldn't Agree with you more Steve.. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Jul 26 23:05:38 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by Railman718 on Thu Jul 26 22:09:48 2012. A new C/R or a T/O can afford a Europe Vacation??Isn't starting salary @ $25/hr? |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Jul 26 23:07:42 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Jul 26 23:05:38 2012. Yeah and supposed they arent single?Have a wife that dont work? Kids? You DO live in This Country Right? |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Jul 26 23:17:07 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by Railman718 on Thu Jul 26 23:07:42 2012. Yeah and supposed they arent single?FWIW, one could make a similar statement about a lot of other jobs in that pay range, and the difference that the income has whether one is single or married or single with children and living with parents, and it's something that I've seen first hand at my employer. Mind you, I'd feel a bit more sympathy for somebody earning $11/hr (like some of my co-workers) around New York versus somebody earning $25. I'll quickly note that I'm biased as I'm single and unlikely to get married, and the weird hours that sometimes come with transit are a benefit to lonely people who like to sleep late. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Jul 26 23:23:37 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Jul 26 23:17:07 2012. FWIW, one could make a similar statement about a lot of other jobs in that pay range, and the difference that the income has whether one is single or married or single with children and living with parents, and it's something that I've seen first hand at my employer.We arent discussing other jobs we are discussing the one at hand.. I'll quickly note that I'm biased as I'm single and unlikely to get married, and the weird hours that sometimes come with transit are a benefit to lonely people who like to sleep late. Im already aware of yer bias, as for that other silly comment I can say yer dead wrong on that.. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Jul 26 23:43:37 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by Railman718 on Thu Jul 26 23:23:37 2012. We arent discussing other jobs we are discussing the one at hand..Admittedly the hours can be rather hectic, and one doesn't get their choice of prime shifts, and NYCTA's labour relations seems downright awful from what employees have hinted at online, but again, at the wages that train operators and conductors earn, there's just simply far less sympathy even if they have a wife and two children when compared to an equivalent family earning much lower wages. as for that other silly comment I can say yer dead wrong on that.. Oh come on, who wouldn't love to work from mid-afternoons into the evening hours or early morning? I worked the 4PM to 12 AM shift at my employer when they I was asked to train some new employees, and it was great given that I could wake up late, and at the time that I returned home, it was still dark outside making falling asleep relatively easy. :-) |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Jul 26 23:52:18 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Jul 26 23:43:37 2012. Admittedly the hours can be rather hectic, and one doesn't get their choice of prime shifts, and NYCTA's labour relations seems downright awful from what employees have hinted at online, but again, at the wages that train operators and conductors earn, there's just simply far less sympathy even if they have a wife and two children when compared to an equivalent family earning much lower wages.Stop skipping the subject you are boring me, i asked you about the job at hand what others do or feel is irrelevant to this discussion. Your "poor" folk argument is falling on deaf ears been there done it more than you will ever know.. Oh come on, who wouldn't love to work from mid-afternoons into the evening hours or early morning? I worked the 4PM to 12 AM shift at my employer when they I was asked to train some new employees, and it was great given that I could wake up late, and at the time that I returned home, it was still dark outside making falling asleep relatively easy. :-) Then you like being a lonely person then hey what can i say.. Not the norm down here i can tell you.. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Jul 26 23:57:29 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by Railman718 on Thu Jul 26 23:52:18 2012. Stop skipping the subject you are boring me, i asked you about the job at hand what others do or feel is irrelevant to this discussion.I think I'm going to need you to explain your question so I can reply appropriately. :-) Then you like being a lonely person then hey what can i say.. Not the norm down here i can tell you.. Oh certainly not, but certain fields of employment have their perks due to their shifts for certain kinds of people. I'm not saying that everybody who works late shifts are lonely single people, but hell, if you're a loner, then being a train operator isn't a half-bad position. Hell, it's even better at the OPTO systems where you get a full cab and no conductor to work with... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Jul 27 00:06:21 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Jul 26 23:57:29 2012. I asked you can a new C/R afford a Europe Vacation with a wife and kids..You came with everything else but the answer.. You could have looked up a airline fare and said well here you didnt so that.. The airfare to lets say London Alone for a family of four is 2800.00(thats not including taxes),I wont get into the rest.. I'm not saying that everybody who works late shifts are lonely single people, but hell, if you're a loner, then being a train operator isn't a half-bad position. Hell, it's even better at the OPTO systems where you get a full cab and no conductor to work with... Its your opinion and as i said its not the norm.. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Fri Jul 27 00:31:31 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by Railman718 on Fri Jul 27 00:06:21 2012. I asked you can a new C/R afford a Europe Vacation with a wife and kids..Thank you. :-) To be honest, the answer is no but with some skillful tax credits and deductions along with some years of savings, it's possible after in the future* for some people. Mind you, not every new C/R is supporting a wife and child(ren). Some have a spouse that works, others don't have children, and others still live at home with their parents. *Of course, one could simply go to Europe alone leaving the wife and/or children behind, something that I've seen in some relationships. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Jul 27 00:35:12 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Fri Jul 27 00:31:31 2012. To be honest, the answer is no but with some skillful tax credits and deductions along with some years of savings, it's possible after in the future* for some people. Mind you, not every new C/R is supporting a wife and child(ren). Some have a spouse that works, others don't have children, and others still live at home with their parents.Yes i can say that You do have some New C/R's who dont have any kids i just used that (part about the kids) in the discussion. Of course, one could simply go to Europe alone leaving the wife and/or children behind, something that I've seen in some relationships. To each is own.. |
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Posted by BigBusDriver on Fri Jul 27 02:11:44 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by B1bus on Thu Jul 26 22:17:23 2012. What do people who make $30-40 an hour, who ride to work for free, want to tell to people who earn minimum wage who pay $4.50 a day about getting a raise?The difference in salary is due to the different complexities and responsibilities with the jobs. Pushing a broom, asking "Do you want fries with that?" or answering phones ( all honest work in their own right) can NOT compare to the professionalism commensurate with operating a bus in passenger service or rolling a train over the road. When the MTA cries 'empty pockets' at each and every contract, only to show a surplus even before the ink is dry, leads MANY union brothers and sisters (and apparently TWU Presidents, too) to NOT believe that MTA has no money stashed away for a much better offer that 0's across the board. When YOUR kid is on MY bus, I am sure you want a highly qualified (CDL and NY State 19A laws) PROFESSIONAL Operator that is compensated fairly for the enormous endeavor that is a simple trip on a crosstown bus. Remember: you get what you pay for .......... Unless you are talking about management in the MTA, but that's for another post..... STILL LOL@BREE NOT BEING HERE |
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Posted by BigBusDriver on Fri Jul 27 02:23:32 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Fri Jul 27 00:31:31 2012. Of course, one could simply go to Europe alone leaving the wife and/or children behind, something that I've seen in some relationships.Uh huh. And most men I know would come home to either empty apartments or changed locks! HIM: Well Honey, we don't have enough for ALL of us to go to Europe, so I will go and represent the family. Of course, I will send video and pictures. Maybe you can photoshop you and the kids on a few. I'll take pictures with me on the side to give you room. HER: Hello, Jacoby & Meyer? I wanna DIVORCE!! |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Jul 27 05:13:18 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by BigBusDriver on Fri Jul 27 02:11:44 2012. Exactly. I'm sick and tired of the argument "Well, if the folks who ride your trains and buses make less than you guys (transit workers) you should make the same.Do they say the same thing about their doctors or other professionally people who serve them? It takes a long time to train an train operator for example. And he is always learnign new things. He is responsible for a lot of lives and the safety of a lot of folks are in his hands. Every passenger is a potential law suit for NYCT. He has to know about the mechanics of a train, third rail, track, signals, so much other stuff. He does not work 9-5 with weekends and holidays off. Bus operators have the responsibility of a large, half a million dollar vehicle and a load of passengers as well and have to deal with traffic, traffic and traffic. Surly customers too. And what do I hear time after time? Nobody is forcing you to take the job? I guess we're slaves. This is why I usually take a hiatus when the talk of contract comes up around here. As long as YOU make money, f** the transit worker. |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Fri Jul 27 06:07:57 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 26 21:43:06 2012. I use a pair of Red Wing motorcycle boots I can both ride to work AND use on the job, and also qualify for my shoe allowance as they are ANSI Z41 and EH rated with steel toe equivalant composite. Now all I need is some good riding weather, these thunderstorms are particularly ferocious lately. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Jul 27 06:32:54 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Jul 27 05:13:18 2012. The thing is Big Bus and Bill this is a former worker popping off here...Bitter much? |
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Posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Jul 27 07:10:01 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by Railman718 on Thu Jul 26 21:52:10 2012. The sad part is, even his back door try failed BIG TIME. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Fri Jul 27 07:48:53 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by B1bus on Thu Jul 26 22:17:23 2012. Don't most people get some kind of perks? Most restaurant workers get a free meal. Airline employees get to fly for free. My dad worked for GE and every appliance in our house was made by GE because he got a discount. A relative who worked for GM got a discount on cars. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jul 27 08:40:09 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Jul 27 05:13:18 2012. Hey, wait until you get the Glenmont "butt-sniffer" telling you that you don't deserve a pension and that you are living off of society. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jul 27 08:48:03 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by BLE-NIMX on Fri Jul 27 06:07:57 2012. Good weather is just around the next curve, I hope. I'm still planning to do the Tail of the Dragon and then on to Ft. Lauderdale to see family. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Jul 27 12:14:40 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jul 26 22:09:33 2012. How were they supposed to live in the meantime?Unemployment probably helped for 6 months. You've kindof missed my point though... in the private sector laid off people don't get that first priority for re-hire. They also do not need to take seniority into account for layoffs. I know someone who was laid off and did not get re-hired (after 20 years of service to a private company). I think that leaves a worse taste in your mouth, no? With exception to wages, working in private industry is generally worse than public employment. That is the trade off that has been present for as long as I can remember. So yes, asking for every employee to get a raise after getting continuous raises during a recession is too much. This money does not grow on trees, it will come in the form of fare hikes, tax hikes or service cuts, none of which is very helpful in restoring economic activity (though it would be nice if it could be entirely covered by reducing O/T opportunities). Much of the public sector in NYS is already in the middle of a 3 year wage freeze, same for federal employees. While "everyone else is getting screwed over, so should you" isn't much of an argument, it is what makes TWU appear greedy to outsiders. The cost of living did not increase by 10% over the past 3 years (while CPI isn't the best measure it's the easiest one to find at the moment), so consider that raise as an "advance" on the next 3 years of costs of living. |
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Posted by Southern BMT on Fri Jul 27 13:06:48 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Jul 27 12:14:40 2012. With exception to wages, working in private industry is generally worse than public employment.I know many many many people who have had substantial experience in both sections and would disagree with that. The cost of living did not increase by 10% over the past 3 years It is a little more complicated than that. NYC uses pattern bargaining, which means that the playbook of negotiations, if you will, is based heavily on how things have planned out with other workers. That means that when the TWU and MTA sit down to negotiate a contract they are going to look at the last contracts from 1199, DC37, UFT, etc. and in all likelyhood negotiate a tradeoff between money and work rule changes so that the raises TWU workers get will mirror the raises that other city workers got in the round of contracts. Sound strange, I know. And the truth is that this can work out well or poorly for workers depending on the circumstances. In the last contract, the TWU did quite well despite a pitiful economy because the economy was doing well when the first unions in that round of negotiations settled their contracts. At that same time, there have been many occasions where union workers get far less of a raise than the cost of living increases. Why? Because the economy was doing poorly when the first unions in that round settled their contracts. Thus, when the economy was booming in the 90s and lots of private section workers were getting raises, lots of city unions were taking 0's because that was the pattern. (Of course, to extrapolate, it is unlikely in this round of bargaining that TWU will do well, as other unions have suffered... and in the end it probably won't make any difference how much extra money the MTA has, just what other unions have negotiated.) |
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Posted by trains61 on Fri Jul 27 15:07:34 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by merrick1 on Fri Jul 27 07:48:53 2012. Just try getting on a flight on a regular basis nowadays... 7 Months without an amended contract, Ha that is way less than the norm in the industry today. We are currently 18 months into negotiations. Oh I don`t have to pay to check my luggage, but who`s to say whether I`ll arrive with it...Says the Airline employee. Carry on whilst I back to lurking. The Guild |
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Posted by merrick1 on Fri Jul 27 17:38:41 2012, in response to Re: MTA workers' union: We want more money, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Jul 27 12:14:40 2012. Many unionized private sector employees are laid off by seniority and rehired by seniority but in many industries they have to go through several layoff and rehiring "cycles" before they have any real job security. |
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