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Posted by Rockparkman on Mon May 28 19:11:44 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 28 19:00:59 2012. Remember Swam ham radio gear? The guy who owned that outfit also owned Cubic. |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Mon May 28 19:12:26 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 28 19:00:59 2012. Remember Swan ham radio gear? The guy who owned that outfit also owned Cubic. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 28 19:16:11 2012, in response to Re:(sp.) Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by Rockparkman on Mon May 28 19:12:26 2012. Ah ... yes indeed. What amuses me about this thread is that those card systems are in service in a lot of places. I remember a "fare card" on WMATA that was probably the same deal. PATH uses the same shit. NEVER had a problem anywhere with fare cards except for the Empty-yay. Some here might remember Russell (Douceman) ... he and I discussed it back and forth quite a bit. At HIS booth, everything worked. Why? Because every two hours, he'd shuffle out there with his felt and do them all.They were meant to be CLEANED ... often. Then they work. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon May 28 19:39:33 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon May 28 15:38:42 2012. Maybe we did worse and tossed out the waterboarding thing as a clever ruse :)your pal, Fred |
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Posted by WillD on Mon May 28 20:55:09 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 28 18:18:06 2012. A more appropriate consideration might be imagining that grocery store with absolutely no staff inside it, yet the door is open. No cashiers, no security guard.Those accouterments may be possible at a for-profit retail outlet, but the MTA is under increasing pressure to reduce their budget and the easiest place to do so is at the station level as many other systems have demonstrated with nearly unmanned stations. To a certain extent the MTA can chalk the resultant increase in fare evasion up as a loss against the money saved on station personnel, and I suspect that is what Councilman Jackson was referring to. But the MTA has the law on its side and ultimately the customer suffers in the name of reducing labor costs. IMHO rather than bringing back station agents the MTA would be better off setting up a call center and equipping their fare gate lines with a kiosk featuring a phone, camera, and keyboard on which to contact that call center regarding ticket issues. Give the call center personnel the ability to rectify the sort of minor ticket issues, and have them generate the maintenance requests for the fare collection personnel responsible for the fare gates and TVMs. Of course the simplest thing to do would just be to finally implement a systemwide smartcard. Cubic may be crap, but at the very least it should have been a modular system and thus upgrading shouldn't be a particularly painful process. The RFID readers are far and away more robust than their magnetic counterparts. The only problems I've observed essentially all come down to passback errors and the occasional gate in need of a reboot to reset its reader. Getting the regular paying customers off the magnetic strip system would go a long way toward improving the MTBF of the faregates. IMHO the MTA would be better off putting an end to their half-measures and trials with assorted banks and just committing to an Oyster card like system with the back end to support contactless credit card payments as well. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 28 21:16:06 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by WillD on Mon May 28 20:55:09 2012. Can't argue your points. But for now, the sanest way to eliminate the problem is to clean those slots. Certainly a roving "swiper" to step off the train, hit the stiles, move on to the next, could all be done with only a few easily trained hands on board.Putting out a contract for new machines and the infrastructure behind it would be even more difficult right now - this would eliminate the problem with things as they are until they can do all that. Sure ... go after the real farebeaters. But I'd be willing to bet that the cleaning of those slots would pay for itself since I'd bet a large number of farebeaters in the Councilman's point had valid cards in the first place and couldn't dip them. That's all I'm saying ... |
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Posted by Easy on Mon May 28 21:24:10 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by Fred G on Mon May 28 13:29:55 2012. Good post. I would probably jump over and then pay on the other end if there were some way to do that. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon May 28 21:28:05 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by Easy on Mon May 28 21:24:10 2012. easy, swipe after exit twirl turnstile, leave |
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Posted by Easy on Mon May 28 21:28:23 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by brightonr68 on Mon May 28 11:07:58 2012. I don't live in NY so this may be a stupid question, but wouldn't that only apply if you have a pay per ride card? It seems like any card that has multiple rides/passes on it that you'd want to use those up before buying another pass. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon May 28 21:48:00 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by Easy on Mon May 28 21:28:23 2012. One of the problems with that is that in the event of a failure, the passenger might be charged for a second ride if the card fails on the first swipe. In the even of an unlimited ride card, the passenger could be locked out of reusing the card within a certain period of time, soon to be increased thanks to certain Metrocard thieves who "sell" swipes. |
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Posted by brightonr68 on Mon May 28 22:13:15 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 28 19:07:37 2012. Here is another thought have the agent go to secondary entrances and clean the readers. Most stations are not that busy with fare sales anyway.FYI i have the same swipe issues at manned and unmanned entrances As per tampering, ill cleaning my own slots(especially on mvm's) to ensure my fare is sold |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 28 22:30:23 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by brightonr68 on Mon May 28 22:13:15 2012. A lot of stations no longer have anybody there. I'll bet the one in question is one of those. When the meatball card first happened and tokens died, I couldn't believe that they went with a magstripe reader in the first place. Anyone who's ever worked with tape recorders knows that heads get fouled just with the flakeoff of the media. Add a dirty environment to the equation and they'd better have a RAFT of techs assigned JUST to head cleaning.Magstripe readers NEED to be clean because the magnetic impulses on rush stripes are VERY weak. Anything that lifts the media away from the heads no matter how thin will cause data errors ... :( |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue May 29 01:05:57 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by WillD on Mon May 28 16:59:59 2012. IA100% |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue May 29 01:06:28 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon May 28 15:28:56 2012. +5 |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue May 29 01:28:37 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by WillD on Mon May 28 16:59:59 2012. Does Chicago have the same problems since it uses the same fare cards system NYCT has? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue May 29 01:30:28 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by Train Dude on Mon May 28 14:31:41 2012. Stupid is as stupid does..doesnt matter if they are white or black green or yellow.Its what comes out of the man that makes him seem silly. If I GOTTA PAY..so does EVERYONE ELSE. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue May 29 02:07:27 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by Edwards! on Tue May 29 01:28:37 2012. in my periodic visits the cards work okay in Chicago. |
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Posted by WillD on Tue May 29 02:07:31 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by Edwards! on Tue May 29 01:28:37 2012. Unfortunately it's been a long time since I've had a reason to use a Chicago card (mine expired in January, and I think they're good for like 4 years). I'm really only very familiar with one other Cubic system, but I've come to recognize the same problems that plague that system in their other installations. A few things change from system to system with their various operating modes and fare media, but there are recognizable faults (the immediate passback error on newly purchased tickets for one) which are infuriating and wholly avoidable.I'm planning to go to Chicago later this summer, so I'll have to buy a few single ride cards, slightly abuse them and my new Chicago card, and report back on how that system copes. I don't have high hopes. |
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Posted by WillD on Tue May 29 02:29:45 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 28 21:16:06 2012. But for now, the sanest way to eliminate the problem is to clean those slots... But I'd be willing to bet that the cleaning of those slots would pay for itself since I'd bet a large number of farebeaters in the Councilman's point had valid cards in the first place and couldn't dip them.From the description of the errors here there are deeper problems than mere dirty magnetic strip readers. The "Swipe Again" and "Already Entered" errors are more than likely a software problem, one which I am very much familiar with the symptoms of on other systems. Putting out a contract for new machines and the infrastructure behind it would be even more difficult right now But you don't have to get new machines. The *one* saving grace of Cubic's proprietary morass is that it is at least modular, so long as you buy their stuff. You don't replace the gates, you just install the RFID readers like they did for that Chase trial. And you don't replace the TVMs and MVMs, you just install virtually the same readers in them while changing the software to enable functionality. The rest is all changes on the back end which NYCT has already demonstrated compatibility with in the Chase trial. They locked themselves into the proprietary system back in 1994, so they may as well just buck up and introduce Cubic's RFID card and make their system compatible with the Wave and Pay arrangements with Visa, Discover, and Mastercard. That'll greatly reduce the number of swipes on the magnetic reader and allow them to remain cleaner while also making them not critical for the operation of the gate. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 29 02:32:47 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by WillD on Tue May 29 02:29:45 2012. CRC only buys you so much correction if there's enough good data to guess what the garbage was ... been there, done that, google "mountain backup tape drives" ... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue May 29 03:42:01 2012, in response to Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by Gold_12TH on Mon May 28 01:18:15 2012. Sickening. These are the people running government? I bet there's a "D" behind his name. |
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Posted by WillD on Tue May 29 03:54:26 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue May 29 03:42:01 2012. How is it sickening? It's a bit moronic and in poor taste, but we're a very long way from it being even remotely sickening. He raises a good point that the MTA cannot expect to maintain the same level of fare evasion while saving money by reducing station staff levels. It is unfortunate that the implicit message in his statement is that the fare collection equipment should be vandalized such that fare evasion becomes justified. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Tue May 29 07:54:58 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by SLRT on Mon May 28 12:43:55 2012. Like the occupiers...or mainstream democrats? |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue May 29 08:08:37 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by WillD on Mon May 28 17:55:28 2012. 40c of every dollar the US government spends is borrowed. This is ok for infrastructure: buildings, bridges, wars, but not for day to day expenses. It cannot continue.Do you want to see where your socialist ideas lead when you keep pushing them down the road that you are traveling? Look no further than the Indian Reservations: Poverty, Crime, Bad Schooling, Abysmal Health Care, all at Federal expense. That is what is in store for everybody as you travel down the road to socialism. The only bright spot on the reservations is the casinos, and that is PRIVATE ENTERPRISE. Owned by the tribe to be sure, but not of the Federal Government. The Federal Government needs to be pared down to it's constitutionally mandated essentials: Money, Foreign Affairs, and the Military... AND it should collect no tax whatsoever beyond these services. Everything else belongs to the state. The state tax rates should be in the 30% range, and the Federal tax should be in the 10% range. Health, Education, Welfare are all LOCAL issues and must be addressed by the several states and counties and not by the Federal government. I do not talk out of both sides of my mouth. Some things are proper to the several states and others to the Federal government. The Federal government must stop doing for the states that which the states could and should be doing for themselves. ROAR |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Tue May 29 09:04:52 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue May 29 08:08:37 2012. agreed! |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Tue May 29 09:07:52 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by Michael549 on Mon May 28 12:39:04 2012. The NYCT should take the lost fare from the Honorable Councilman's Budget and salary.Put his money with his mouth! |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Tue May 29 09:46:49 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by WillD on Mon May 28 16:59:59 2012. It's easy to say something like that, but it just isn't realistic on a practical level. If you walked up a steep hill (this was at 181 St./Ft. Washington Ave.) with your wife to a subway station entrance and found that it was impossible to get the turnstiles to read your fare card, I don't think you're going to go back upstairs and walk three blocks to another entrance, probably causing you to miss your train. It just isn't reasonable to demand that people do that. Nor does it make sense to say that because this was a city Councilman, he should tow the "party line" and say he thinks people should do that, when he knows it is unreasonable. He is there to represent the people of his district, and I'm glad he is not being a hypocrite about this and is saying what he (and undoubtedly many of his constituents) really think about it. |
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Posted by JohnL on Tue May 29 11:21:06 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 29 02:32:47 2012. CRC only tells you it’s wrong. ECC gets the data back, if there are only a few bad bits.I think the biggest problem is rewriting the data on the card reliably. That’s probably where the operation is most vulnerable to dirty heads. I’m sure that “Swipe again” means the read-after-write failed. |
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Posted by numbersix on Tue May 29 11:21:13 2012, in response to Re:(sp.) Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by Rockparkman on Mon May 28 19:12:26 2012. I remember Swan. Most of their stuff was garbage. |
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Posted by numbersix on Tue May 29 11:22:58 2012, in response to Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by Gold_12TH on Mon May 28 01:18:15 2012. The transit system is free north of 96th St. Always has been, always will. |
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Posted by Howard Fein on Tue May 29 11:23:05 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by G1Ravage on Mon May 28 01:35:32 2012. Since the implementstion of the emergency exit gates- whose original purpose has horribly backfired thanks to people misusing them- many people will wait just outside of fare control until somebody inevitably goes through the exit gate and then charge inside. It must be similar to what happens at the US border when people think there are no guards around.I saw this on Saturday at 137th Street uptown where there is no S/A. Admittedly, it's unreasonable to expect people with strollers to use the manned downtown exit and reverse direction at the next possible station. The same applies to someone with a stroller or bike trying to exit a station where there's no S/A to release the emergency gate. But there are plenty of people WITHOUT strollers who make the aforementioned mad entrance dash through the opened exit gate. For that matter, this occurs at Main Street Flushing- where there ARE full-time S/As at both exits. There are often cops hanging out there who completely ignore (a) people without strollers illegally exiting through the emergency gates; (b) people with or without strollers illegally entering through the emergency gates. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 29 19:03:13 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by JohnL on Tue May 29 11:21:06 2012. Yep ... I would have gone that far in explaining it, but I'm so used to eyes glazing over on the first couple of words. :)Dirty heads will indeed make write/read operations even less reliable. Point being simply that those heads HAVE to be kept clean or bad things will happen. Like I said, never had a problem with PATH using MTA's cards. Their vending machines are another story. However 33rd Street had both right there in the vestibule, so I'd put my PATH fare on the meatball card and all was well. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 29 19:04:59 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue May 29 08:08:37 2012. All those tax cuts were completely irresponsible then. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue May 29 20:47:39 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 29 19:04:59 2012. yup |
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue May 29 22:59:07 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue May 29 08:08:37 2012. Everything else belongs to the state. The state taxrates should be in the 30% range,and the Federal tax should be in the 10% range. Health,Education,Welfare are all LOCAL issues and must be addressed by the several states and counties and not by the Federal government.Thomas Jefferson lost bud. The USA is a single country, not a confederacy of individual nations. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 29 23:06:47 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by J trainloco on Tue May 29 22:59:07 2012. The current EU is a perfect example of that "disorganized confederation" policy and look at how well that's working out. :( |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 30 08:17:58 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by WillD on Tue May 29 03:54:26 2012. No, it's sickening that an elected official would say this. You can call it bad taste if you would like. But it's sickening. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 30 08:19:02 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 28 12:47:55 2012. At some stations in the Bronx in the 80's, I heard they used to just tie the old style slam gates open and people would just walk in. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed May 30 10:42:03 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 29 19:04:59 2012. Tax Cuts can stimulate growth.Look at France: The top tax rate is approaching 75%, and those who have money are simply taking it and leaving the country. Happens here too. NYS increased its tax and Rush Limbaugh with his $52M annual salary moved to Florida. And the NY governor said "Good Riddance, It was worth it." Money is a funny thing. It does not like to sit still. Money burried in a hole in the ground is worth NOTHING. (Tax = Hole in the Ground) If you CONFISCATE the wealth of everyone with more that $1B in assets, you will fund the government for less than 120 days. BIG WHOOP! EXPENDITURES must be cut to the bone. FAILED services must be eliminated. Budgets that are not balanced are not budgets at all, they are a recipe for disaster and a road to destruction. The only real money comes from those who WORK for a living. But whom shall they work for but someone who already has money to pay them. Ergo: you MUST work for a wealthy man and/or company, or else work for yourself. ROAR |
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Posted by B1bus on Wed May 30 20:59:14 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon May 28 14:20:31 2012. What if there are no N/B R trains at Prospect ave or Union st and on the S/B side, you card doesn't work at all, or says "Just Used"?THen what could you do? |
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Posted by B1bus on Wed May 30 21:01:44 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by SLRT on Mon May 28 12:27:12 2012. If it says "just used" , you already paid. |
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Posted by B1bus on Wed May 30 21:04:34 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 28 22:30:23 2012. Have the CTAs' do it! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 30 21:16:00 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by B1bus on Wed May 30 21:04:34 2012. Do they still have any? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 30 22:24:14 2012, in response to Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by Gold_12TH on Mon May 28 01:18:15 2012. Is that a Sharia-compliant point of view? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 31 03:27:07 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by Dyre Dan on Tue May 29 09:46:49 2012. 181 has a "downhill" entrance too. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 31 03:30:25 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by WillD on Mon May 28 20:55:09 2012. The reason a for-profit retail outlet doesn't have to reduce staffing is because their cashiers get paid slightly above minimum wage. If the TWU represented retail cashiers, and they were hired under civil service, all retail stores would have been fully automated decades ago. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Thu May 31 07:51:26 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 31 03:30:25 2012. Wow, that union really helps the worker. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Thu May 31 07:52:26 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 30 08:17:58 2012. Some people want this 'leaders'(or masters in some cases too) to play fast and loose with the rule of law. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu May 31 08:02:13 2012, in response to Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by Gold_12TH on Mon May 28 01:18:15 2012. wow..im all for fighting the powers stuff..but YOU SIR,ARE THE POWER.. So its okay for YOU to break the rules..but i can't? you sir,are a butt head. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Thu May 31 08:32:17 2012, in response to Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by Gold_12TH on Mon May 28 01:18:15 2012. What do you expect from a City Council that counts Charles Barron among its ranks? Strict adherence to law and order? |
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