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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 28 01:24:04 2012, in response to Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by Gold_12TH on Mon May 28 01:18:15 2012. Then fix the machine or put the station agent back. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Mon May 28 01:35:32 2012, in response to Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by Gold_12TH on Mon May 28 01:18:15 2012. Fare-beating is rampant at Central Park North - 110 Street. They wait near the booth until the train opens its doors, and then hop the bars and run on. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon May 28 01:56:16 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 28 01:24:04 2012. RIGHT ON!!! One of my pet peeves here on the left coast is the RFID readers that are finicky at best. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 28 01:59:13 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon May 28 01:56:16 2012. Simple matter of collecting the fare. If they don't want to, ain't the passengers fault if they intended to pay but couldn't. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon May 28 02:36:22 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 28 01:59:13 2012. Particularly when you have an unlimited monthly and the reader squeaks incorrectly. For a while I was carrying the purchase receipt. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon May 28 07:45:56 2012, in response to Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by Gold_12TH on Mon May 28 01:18:15 2012. Clearly the man is a Democrat. |
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Posted by MATHA531 on Mon May 28 07:55:35 2012, in response to Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by Gold_12TH on Mon May 28 01:18:15 2012. While I am sympathetic to what the Councilman says and can almost accept what he ways, that doesn't excuse the vast vast majority of fgare busing that goes on with some of the vermin getting on buses through the exit doors or refusing to dip a metrocard or pay the cash. Arresting some of this vermin would cut down on it qite a bit. |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon May 28 10:35:44 2012, in response to Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by Gold_12TH on Mon May 28 01:18:15 2012. This goes to the issue with broken parking meters. You can't legally park at a broken meter on the theory that is it were allowed, some people would break the meters to get free parking.I think there are any number of dudes who would jam or break a Metrocard machine to get free rides for themselves and their posse. |
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Posted by brightonr68 on Mon May 28 11:07:58 2012, in response to Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by Gold_12TH on Mon May 28 01:18:15 2012. this backwards thinking gets me sick. IF you are irresponsible enough to allow your metrocard to run to $0 before you enter a station it is your fault. This clown is typical incompetent city council memeber.The public should pay the price for the irresponsible |
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Posted by brightonr68 on Mon May 28 11:09:27 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by G1Ravage on Mon May 28 01:35:32 2012. put some cops over there and ticket them up.Agents don't stop a thing |
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Posted by brightonr68 on Mon May 28 11:11:42 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon May 28 07:45:56 2012. an incompetent one as usual . The reason people don't trust government with money. The more you tax the less you get because idiots get elected and use the tax rolls as their personal piggy bank.The politicians steal far more than the walls street bankers they make as scape goats |
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Posted by jasonnyc on Mon May 28 11:15:33 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by SLRT on Mon May 28 10:35:44 2012. Acutally in NYC you are allowed to park at a broken meter for maximum time listed for that zone. It was always a treat to find a meter that said FAIL on it.I see your point, especially with how easily it is to jam readers at stations. But, there has to be room for those that are legitimately entering the system with intent to pay only to find their sole means of transportation has them locked out. Especially with the removal of station agents; there are no more agents on the uptown platforms of the 6 in East Harlem, so we're on our own. And don't say one should go to the downtown side; I've heard more than one an agent say that since no one is on the uptown side there's nothing they can do to help. |
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Posted by jasonnyc on Mon May 28 11:16:57 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by brightonr68 on Mon May 28 11:07:58 2012. It's not about running to $0. It's about having faulty equipment in stations to read or accept valid fare. It happens all the time. |
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Posted by checkthedoorlight on Mon May 28 11:22:51 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by G1Ravage on Mon May 28 01:35:32 2012. 116/Lex uptown is the most rampant station I've seen. I don't think I've EVER come through that station without people hopping the turnstiles and even more of them sneaking through the gates, meanwhile there are two cops chilling halfway down the platform, doing nothing. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon May 28 11:27:18 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by brightonr68 on Mon May 28 11:07:58 2012. and if MTA or any other transit agency is irresponsible enough to fail to accept/recognize my Prepaid unlimited ride pass, I have no moral duty to pay twice. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Mon May 28 12:13:53 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by MATHA531 on Mon May 28 07:55:35 2012. I agree that the city councilman should not have said what he said at the press conference/interview, even if his wife did get a ticket for fair-beating. Just getting and paying your ticket for something that you KNOW is wrong, is really the right thing to do. Then at city council meetings or through letters to the MTA to get the Metro-Card machines fixed quickly - that would have been a better response. Does he really WANT folks jumping the turn-styles, etc. just upon the statement that the machines did not work, or something else was "wrong"? Now his statements could be used by anyone to jump the turn-styles - what kind of example is that? What kind of example is he setting?Plenty of people keep money on their cards - for trips - so that they really do not have to worry about broken Metro-Card machines, or to let a situation develop where they are being ticketed for fare-beating. as a city-councilman he gets paid more than enough money to be prepared to take transit - that is the grown up thing to do. Mike |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon May 28 12:19:20 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by jasonnyc on Mon May 28 11:15:33 2012. And don't say one should go to the downtown side; I've heard more than one an agent say that since no one is on the uptown side there's nothing they can do to help.The agent can't sell them a Metrocard on the downtown side if they're going uptown? |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon May 28 12:21:20 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon May 28 11:27:18 2012. I agree. But the councilman's solution to a reasonable complaint is badly stated. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Mon May 28 12:21:22 2012, in response to Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by Gold_12TH on Mon May 28 01:18:15 2012. My immediate reaction is that this guy is a clown.But then I think about it: when the fare collection on a bus goes down, bus drivers often allow riders on for free. Why should the subway be different? |
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Posted by jasonnyc on Mon May 28 12:22:38 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by SLRT on Mon May 28 12:19:20 2012. Point. But, yes if using cash they can sell one. I was also referring to problems in general. Like "Just used" messages, or all turnstiles saying "swipe again" for every card at every reader from anyone. |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon May 28 12:27:12 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by jasonnyc on Mon May 28 12:22:38 2012. I agree there should be recourse for someone screwed by defective or improperly maintained equipment, but a public official endorsing fare-beating crosses a line. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Mon May 28 12:39:04 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by J trainloco on Mon May 28 12:21:22 2012. From a previous message: "But then I think about it: when the fare collection on a bus goes down, bus drivers often allow riders on for free. Why should the subway be different? " The bus driver in such a situation is an official of the MTA who is allowed to make such a decision. At a station where there is no station agent - just who is going to give that permission? If the MTA personnel puts up signs that the entrance is free (and tapes open the gates) - sometimes done when things are really going badly or for some G.O.'s - then walking in without paying is allowed. Unless that is happening, just swipe your card - pay your fare as usual. Paying fare-beating tickets is not cheap. Mike |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon May 28 12:43:55 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by Michael549 on Mon May 28 12:39:04 2012. So then people will make bogus signs and tape open the gates themselves. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 28 12:47:55 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by G1Ravage on Mon May 28 01:35:32 2012. That was rampant everywhere in the 1980's. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 28 12:48:37 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by brightonr68 on Mon May 28 11:09:27 2012. What can they do?At least it's harder now. When we had slam gates, it was breathtakingly easy to evade. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon May 28 13:29:55 2012, in response to Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by Gold_12TH on Mon May 28 01:18:15 2012. He shouldn't say things like that as people get the idea there's a green light to beating the fare.That said tho, I think anyone here who says they'd walk down the street to another entrance because the TVM was broken is a fuckin liar. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by WillD on Mon May 28 13:50:22 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 28 01:59:13 2012. If you walk into a grocery store and their registers crash you don't get your groceries for free, so why the expectation that transportation be any different? And grocery stores aren't subject to their patrons actively attempting to destroy the cash registers either in hopes or riding free or to eliminate competition for their lucrative cottage industry. |
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Posted by WillD on Mon May 28 13:53:43 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon May 28 07:45:56 2012. Of course, Republicans can only be toll cheats. Beating the fare would require them to consort with "those" people without the protection of their subsidized SUV with its subsidized gas there to whisk them away to their subsidized McMansion/Farm. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon May 28 14:20:31 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by MATHA531 on Mon May 28 07:55:35 2012. From what I read I don't think he was excusing them. He was just talking about on particular situation. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Mon May 28 14:22:54 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by jasonnyc on Mon May 28 11:15:33 2012. Acutally in NYC you are allowed to park at a broken meter for maximum time listed for that zone. It was always a treat to find a meter that said FAIL on it.And even that is going by the wayside now. The vast majority of meters have been removed, and replaced with ticket-printing muni-meters. And then one breaks down, they expect you to find another one that works. So you're paying either way. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon May 28 14:30:20 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by WillD on Mon May 28 13:50:22 2012. Damn, hot day like today and hell is still freezing over. I have to agree 100% of your points. Then again selcock has his petty anti-TA axe to grind, doesn't he. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon May 28 14:31:41 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon May 28 07:45:56 2012. Based on skin tone or his obviously dishonest propensities? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon May 28 14:56:44 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by WillD on Mon May 28 13:53:43 2012. Excellent summation.. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon May 28 15:04:05 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by jasonnyc on Mon May 28 11:16:57 2012. dont confuse him with facts..I hate fare beaters,too...but like you said,the ISSUE here is broken equipment..not the persons political leanings.. narrow vision is rampant here..sickening to the point of vomiting. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon May 28 15:28:08 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by Edwards! on Mon May 28 14:56:44 2012. Only if you are a socialist. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon May 28 15:28:56 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by Train Dude on Mon May 28 14:31:41 2012. I did not notice his color until you mentioned it.People all look the same to me until they open their mouths. ROAR |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon May 28 15:38:42 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by Fred G on Mon May 28 13:29:55 2012. I agree. He was right but wrong in advertising it. That's the way I felt about waterboarding, by the way, as a weird analogy. We had to do what we had to but never should have admitted it. |
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Posted by WillD on Mon May 28 16:50:29 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon May 28 15:28:08 2012. Socialism is just providing the services you consider essential to someone other than yourself. Some people have the enlightened self-interest to realize their lot in life will improve if everyone else is a bit less miserable. Other people just have self-interest. |
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Posted by WillD on Mon May 28 16:59:59 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by Train Dude on Mon May 28 14:30:20 2012. To be fair Cubic is a pretty pathetic organization, and the Metrocard isn't one of their better systems. On other properties I'm amazed by the number of passbacks and entry/exit errors the system generates through no fault of the passenger. Add in the MTA's insistence that the Metrocard reader be exposed so the card never leaves the passenger's hand, and you have a recipe for disaster. But no matter how bad the fare collection system there is no excuse for passing the faregate without a ticket unless the MTA determined it needs to allow free entry at a given station. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon May 28 17:23:20 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by WillD on Mon May 28 16:50:29 2012. The LEFT has never done anything that has actually worked to relieve others. We, on the other hand, would like ALL people to be well to do and well off. And yes there are people who need social services and should damn well get them. |
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Posted by WillD on Mon May 28 17:55:28 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon May 28 17:23:20 2012. The LEFT has never done anything that has actually worked to relieve others.Yeah, sure. Only little things like a 40 hour workweek, eliminating child labor, safeguarding clean air and water, and generally providing the basic human services for everyone. Or perhaps you'd rather people have to pay you in advance before you'd drive them to the hospital? We, on the other hand, would like ALL people to be well to do and well off. Of course, by helping those who have the means to help themselves, all while lecturing those without means on how big a drag they are on the economy. Reaganomics do not help economies, and as the Dubya presidency shows, its long term effects are more than likely deleterious. And yes there are people who need social services and should damn well get them. You contradict yourself. Are the services the left has brought into the fore which you claim do nothing essential or are they not? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 28 18:18:06 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by WillD on Mon May 28 13:50:22 2012. I can understand TD getting a hardon, but perhaps you're missing the philosophical point. The grocery store analogy is reasonable, but the conditions of the experiment are off a bit. A more appropriate consideration might be imagining that grocery store with absolutely no staff inside it, yet the door is open. No cashiers, no security guard.Then we might have a handshake of what I said there. If there were station agents, then somebody might have cleaned the heads on the reader. Maintenance is everything. Being staffed is second best. MTA does neither these days. Now I'll agree with everyone else that the Councilman was wrong to say what he did, but I'm betting that he's gone over this with the MTA suits more than once and is as exasperated as most riders who have to deal with "swipe again" and so they SWIPED that ride. :) |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Mon May 28 18:27:10 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by WillD on Mon May 28 17:55:28 2012. Just remember. Christianity has ZERO to do with social justice. When this FACT came home to me, I walked away and encourage others to do so. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 28 18:28:48 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by Edwards! on Mon May 28 15:04:05 2012. Actually, the issue is a little bit of felt dipped in alcohol rubbed by the heads every couple of hours. It's called "head cleaning" ... or "maintenance" ... but leave it to the assclown from car equipment to dismiss bad maintenance. |
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Posted by brightonr68 on Mon May 28 18:55:51 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 28 18:28:48 2012. I find this cleans the credit card readers on MVM as well |
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Posted by brightonr68 on Mon May 28 18:58:09 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by SLRT on Mon May 28 12:21:20 2012. His solution creates other problems.He is a thought, have proper process in place to ensure these readers are clean and to ticket and arrest anyone who is causing them to not work. Educate the public on how to clean these readers. A little bit of purel cleans them up |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 28 19:00:59 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by brightonr68 on Mon May 28 18:55:51 2012. Yep ... Cubic even made felt cards for the SA's ... squirt some 99% isopropyl on it (illegal in NY) and run it through a couple of times. Head's as clean as a new part. THIS is why I was ragging about this. Got so tired of "please swipe again" after buying a ten trip that I just hoofed it whenever I hit the city and let the card expire, never to be replaced with another one.Walking is good for you. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 28 19:02:15 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 28 19:00:59 2012. Oh and yeah ... spent ALL the coin I gave the MTA on PATH. :)Funny how THEIR readers never had a problem with meatball cards ... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 28 19:07:37 2012, in response to Re: Sometimes farebeating is OK, says NYC Councilman Jackson, posted by brightonr68 on Mon May 28 18:58:09 2012. That would technically be "tampering with equipment." MTA bought equipment that HAS TO BE maintained. It ISN'T ... there's your problem. When there were station agents, they got cleaned ... when the SA's went away, they didn't. The wigs expected enough dirt to accumulate in the slots that it would break away by itself or that angels would piss on them or something. |
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