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Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46) |
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Posted by J trainloco on Mon May 28 12:41:46 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Train Dude on Mon May 28 12:21:04 2012. I don't disagree with your assessment that they won't be moved, but I suggested it as a way to solve this constant fleet swap that happens every summer. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 28 12:46:50 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Railman718 on Mon May 28 12:32:05 2012. How often do the R42's get tagged?Don't they use the tail tracks east of Jamaica Center for weekend storage? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 28 12:51:04 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon May 28 09:58:12 2012. Given the way the R42's are neglected at ENY, I can understand not wanting to send these senior citizens anywhere else. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon May 28 12:58:47 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by J trainloco on Mon May 28 12:39:55 2012. The principle reason for the SMS was to replace trucks that had exceeded their safe life. In a survey of trucks on R-32 cars we found an inordinate number of trucks with transoms dating back to the 1950s and at least one suspected R-10 truck frame |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon May 28 13:00:58 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by J trainloco on Mon May 28 12:41:46 2012. I think that ultimately, the closing of 207th St and its conversion to a work train facility will resolve that. Once all of the cars come out of Pitkin, it will be up tot he local line managers to decide what runs where. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 28 13:01:21 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Train Dude on Mon May 28 12:58:47 2012. .png) R10? 1950's? |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Mon May 28 13:02:40 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Train Dude on Mon May 28 12:58:47 2012. Just wondering, what is a transom? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon May 28 13:04:29 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Handbrake on Mon May 28 12:26:47 2012. The catch is that the R-32s would not survive the tunnel heat. All RTO has to do is remove every train with hot cars from service and bury Car Equipment with work and falling MDBF. I had proposed that rather than the costly equipment swap, the C's be run to Howard Beach for the summer. This would give the compressor motors the needed break to cool off. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon May 28 13:07:03 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Train Dude on Mon May 28 12:58:47 2012. Like you said Steve "B Team"... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon May 28 13:08:59 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Train Dude on Mon May 28 13:00:58 2012. I think that ultimately, the closing of 207th St and its conversion to a work train facility will resolve that.I wont be in the North to Notice it im a Queens man now Steve.. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Mon May 28 13:09:59 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 28 12:46:50 2012. I would think if cars were going to get tagged the R160s stored on the express tracks at Union Turnpike and Parsons would be prime targets. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 28 13:10:20 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Train Dude on Mon May 28 13:04:29 2012. Relaying them between 80th and 88th would also give them that opportunity. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon May 28 13:11:21 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Dj Hammers on Mon May 28 13:02:40 2012. The transom is the main support structure from which the remainder of the truck is built around. Those castings were dated by the month/Year of casting. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon May 28 13:11:32 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 28 12:46:50 2012. How often do the R42's get tagged?Often enough.. Don't they use the tail tracks east of Jamaica Center for weekend storage? Can only hold two trains... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon May 28 13:12:24 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by merrick1 on Mon May 28 13:09:59 2012. I would think if cars were going to get tagged the R160s stored on the express tracks at Union Turnpike and Parsons would be prime targets.Nowhere to run nowhere to hide... Either yer Hamburger from a train or you get fired by the Third Rail.. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon May 28 13:12:51 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 28 13:10:20 2012. Not as much time to cool, unfortunately. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 28 13:13:04 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by merrick1 on Mon May 28 13:09:59 2012. Indeed. I've never seen a tagged R42, all of which would have to pass my house tagged on the way to ENY for cleaning. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon May 28 13:13:47 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Railman718 on Mon May 28 13:08:59 2012. Do you sing "Come back to Jamaica?" |
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Posted by Handbrake on Mon May 28 13:14:26 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Train Dude on Mon May 28 13:04:29 2012. I spoke with a DCE engineer at 130 last year about the R32 HVAC heat issues. Apparently one fix suggested was to remove the heat shield from the car compressor motors.I may have incorrectly ID'd the car component, however the shop was unaware of this option, and I don't know if the suggestion was ever implemented. I don't recall a heat issues with R32 HVAC's. Is this an endemic issue with all post GOH R32's? A question for the folks up in the north!!! |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon May 28 13:15:19 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 28 12:26:37 2012. It's a manpower and budget issue, as always.It would be nice to lay up 2 trains of R42's at 111 on Friday night and forget about them for the weekend. But having all weekend put- ins out of ENYD rather than all but 2 (since the 2 at 111 are indeed used on S/S/H) means that, especially at weekend lay up time after 6 PM, one man can do 2 lay ups to 111 whereas if he goes to ENYD he can only do one during that time frame. And yes, that's in addition to the trains that are to be laid up in the back of PAJ |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 28 13:15:44 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Train Dude on Mon May 28 13:13:47 2012. Oh lawd, nostalgia: |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon May 28 13:16:02 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Train Dude on Mon May 28 13:13:47 2012. Do you sing "Come back to Jamaica?"Only on Saturdays Homeless Express... |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Mon May 28 13:16:51 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Train Dude on Mon May 28 13:11:21 2012. Thank you very much for the explanation! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 28 13:17:39 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon May 28 13:15:19 2012. The problem could be solved by laying up R160's at 111th and putting all R42's in ENY so their service can be limited as much as possible.How bad is the potential tagging problem at 111th? I've never seen a train tagged here. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon May 28 13:18:58 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 28 13:17:39 2012. How bad is the potential tagging problem at 111th? I've never seen a train tagged here.Bad enough the Vandal Squad sometimes "hangs around".. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 28 13:25:37 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Railman718 on Mon May 28 13:18:58 2012. What about the trains on the tail tracks east of JC? Are they used on weekends at all? |
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Posted by merrick1 on Mon May 28 13:29:37 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Railman718 on Mon May 28 13:12:24 2012. How about from the platform? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon May 28 13:30:43 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Handbrake on Mon May 28 13:14:26 2012. I don't recall removing the shroud as a considered solution since the cooling of the motor relied on tunnel air being sucked through the condensers bu the compressor motor fans. This issue led to two findings.1) Condenser cleaning was not being done properly (Pitkin Shop began doing 32 cars per weekend to help out) 2) The ambient temp of the tunnel air did not permit enough cooling. This led to finding one of the strangest issues of the entire debacle. I don't remember the exact number but for argument sake, lets say the HVAC compressor motor was designed to operate at a maximum temp of 135 Degrees F. Yet it was discovered that the thermal overload protectors in the motors would open up at a temp which was 5 degrees below the maximum operating temp. When the motor cooled, the overloads would close and the motor would work normally again. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon May 28 13:30:57 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 28 13:25:37 2012. The Upstairs is for the Echo... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon May 28 13:31:26 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by merrick1 on Mon May 28 13:29:37 2012. Yep Good luck with that as well..Never know whos "watching".. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon May 28 13:32:03 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Train Dude on Mon May 28 13:30:43 2012. Steve dropping Some Knowledge here...Better ask Somebody! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 28 13:43:17 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Railman718 on Mon May 28 13:30:57 2012. But the downstairs? They can park 2 trains there. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon May 28 13:43:40 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 28 13:25:37 2012. Yes. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Mon May 28 14:23:49 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 28 13:43:17 2012. One on each track they can for the (J). |
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Posted by Handbrake on Mon May 28 14:24:28 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Train Dude on Mon May 28 13:30:43 2012. I'll have to revisit this topic with DCE. My experience with other projects has shown that disconnects can exist between engineering, too much chair time, and the operating world. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon May 28 14:27:53 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Handbrake on Mon May 28 14:24:28 2012. The only disconnect here might be the thermal overloads - eventually. By the way, give my regards to my old high school classmate - Bruce. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Mon May 28 14:52:00 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Train Dude on Mon May 28 13:00:58 2012. Really? I'm skeptical, because it seems to me that the R32s are stuck on the C because maintenance is calculated per mile, the R32s have the highest maintenance costs per mile, and the C is staying @ 8 cars. |
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Posted by R32_3671 on Mon May 28 15:39:48 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Train Dude on Mon May 28 12:21:04 2012. if this swapping keeps on happening in the summer time, the the people will drag the politics in and they would bicth to the MTA forcing the people at 207th or where ever to move the cars, trust me no one wants to loose thier job, and the A needs Newer subway cars, the R46's breakdown way more than the R32's, they are over used and they run like shit, i have to agree on one thing the R44's are more reliable than the R46 |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon May 28 18:14:38 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by R32_3671 on Mon May 28 15:39:48 2012. In your eyes the R32's can do nothing wrong.You are not alone on this board. I understand. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Mon May 28 20:03:36 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by merrick1 on Mon May 28 13:29:37 2012. I think the tower in the Union Turnpike station is manned, IIRC, there's cameras on the express track as well. |
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Posted by CJ on Mon May 28 20:09:41 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Train Dude on Mon May 28 12:58:47 2012. Damn! Wow! |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Mon May 28 20:10:48 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun May 27 14:00:40 2012. It would be funny if someone Photoshopped "Troll face" on that R44's rollsign lol. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon May 28 21:11:35 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun May 27 23:44:44 2012. Back in the SubChat days though it seemed to be "common knowledge" that Phase I R32s had the best A/C around... the Slant R40s were close behind...I do remember finding more hot cars on the E in 2005ish... |
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Posted by monorail on Mon May 28 21:20:06 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by r33/r36 mainline on Mon May 28 20:10:48 2012. which 'troll'? |
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Posted by randyo on Mon May 28 22:03:05 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Train Dude on Mon May 28 12:58:47 2012. With the exception of the suspected R-10 truck frame, why would any R-32s have transoms dating from the 1950s since they weren't delivered until 1964? |
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Posted by R30A on Mon May 28 22:08:04 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by randyo on Mon May 28 22:03:05 2012. R12/14/15/16/17/21/22? |
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Posted by randyo on Mon May 28 22:12:19 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by R30A on Mon May 28 22:08:04 2012. I know the car types, but why would transoms from any of those cars end up on cars that were delivered much later? |
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Posted by monorail on Mon May 28 22:38:41 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by randyo on Mon May 28 22:12:19 2012. if a part is needed and it fits--why not? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 28 22:39:24 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by monorail on Mon May 28 22:38:41 2012. Metal fatigue? You can only flex metals so many times before they start to come apart. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue May 29 01:15:44 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by randyo on Mon May 28 22:12:19 2012. A truck with clasp brakes and 2 motors that would work on an R-12 would work on any other contract using clasp brakes if you mount the tripcock on the correct side. "We" did not discover the over-age trucks. Someone else either knew or suspected and the shops with R-32s were asked to survey their fleets. I was actually surprised at the number of 1951 - 1955 trucks that I had on my fleet. |
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