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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun May 27 20:46:08 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun May 27 14:00:40 2012. Damn straight I do!!!!! Best equipment on the A outside of the R-32s!!! Loved working on them!!!! :) |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun May 27 20:46:51 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun May 27 19:20:53 2012. Make that 4 10-car sets |
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Posted by FarRock on Sun May 27 21:07:40 2012, in response to The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by FarRock on Sat May 26 08:33:12 2012. 10 car R42 layed up on Yard leads at Dyckman St. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sun May 27 23:35:10 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by J trainloco on Sat May 26 22:36:59 2012. The R32 sign roll doesn't correctly describe today's B or M routes. I guess they could patch the B signs to say Brighton instead of West End, just like the original roll signs were patched to say B instead of BB. It may seem like a minor point, but having consistently wrong route descriptions on the trains is undesirable. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun May 27 23:35:20 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by merrick1 on Sun May 27 08:16:23 2012. How many years and MTA administrations ago was that?In those days there weren't as many assaults on c/r's as there are today. The uniform was respected in those days, not anymore. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun May 27 23:38:48 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun May 27 17:23:36 2012. The t/o-c/r may shut it off, but when the guy who changes the ads, the car cleaners or the RCI's come on to do work, they tend to leave the a/c on when done. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun May 27 23:42:20 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by TonyG on Sun May 27 12:57:55 2012. The R32's had plenty of a/c problems while on the E. I documented it many times over the years with posts on this board. I've told stories about taking trains with hot cars to the yard, but they were cool when I got there because the doors were kept closed for at least 30 minutes.Since there is a love affair on this board with the R32's many feel these cars can do nothing wrong. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun May 27 23:44:44 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun May 27 23:42:20 2012. And this was in the late '90's before the V line was born.And many of you guys were too young to know the existance of this web site. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun May 27 23:46:31 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Avid Reader on Sun May 27 13:15:23 2012. The elimination of many ventilation grates was due to flooding during torrential rains.The water flows down to Hillside Ave. and into the subway. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun May 27 23:46:32 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Avid Reader on Sun May 27 13:15:23 2012. The elimination of many ventilation grates was due to flooding during torrential rains.The water flows down to Hillside Ave. and into the subway. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun May 27 23:50:20 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun May 27 14:09:35 2012. ENYD. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun May 27 23:52:12 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun May 27 18:48:50 2012. The layups at 111 St. are usually used during the day on Sat. & Sun.After 6 or 7 PM, they are returned. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun May 27 23:58:26 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by G1Ravage on Sun May 27 07:07:53 2012. That was always characteristic of the difference between all WH and GE controllers. Does any former or present T/O remember the WH controllers on the R-27s and 30s on the BMT/IND or the IRT R-26s and 29s? Those were horrendous to hold down especially on long lines like the old QJ Jamaica to Stl or even the RR from Astoria to 95. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 28 00:10:25 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by randyo on Sun May 27 23:58:26 2012. The old "pop and stop" QJ specials? LOLA toolbag and a dream ... don't get caught tho'. :) |
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Posted by J trainloco on Mon May 28 01:15:06 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Dyre Dan on Sun May 27 23:35:10 2012. Like you say, a patch is simple enough. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Mon May 28 02:29:15 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun May 27 07:35:11 2012. I honestly don't know what percentage of R32s vs R46s a/c don't work, but from my personal experience, the a/c on the R46s are horrible. I just went through this on both the "A" and the "R" trains today. Five separate cars and every one of them were bad.I hear you as far as NYCT is concerned. |
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Posted by Ian Lennon on Mon May 28 04:54:49 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Train Dude on Sun May 27 20:15:52 2012. No, I remember them being hot. I used to ride the E to work from 2006-2009. I also remember the swap with the R-40/42. Those babies were dropping like flies. I am sure Jamaica ran them hard. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Mon May 28 06:31:09 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Mon May 28 02:29:15 2012. It's times like this that I miss the R38s & R44s. Especially the R38s - they were really cold during the hot summers. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Mon May 28 06:58:06 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun May 27 23:44:44 2012. Was that this site or subtalk from nycsubway.com? |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Mon May 28 08:24:42 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun May 27 23:46:32 2012. Yes they were a problem, especially in big cell thunder storms that dumped a Hugh amount of rain in a short time.Some grates got cuffs around them. Still there was a lose of ventilation. I think some of the fault goes to the EPA and keeping catch basins clear to take large influxes of rainfall. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Mon May 28 08:27:10 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun May 27 14:00:40 2012. Nope, those pieces of Garbage are dead and hopefully are sent to some melting factory. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Mon May 28 08:42:46 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Mon May 28 06:31:09 2012. Way back, when the G.O.H. was done.A.C. was installed in those cars that formerly only had fans. To insure the A.C. would work properly, those door catches, that could hold open a storm door were replaced with a catch that would not remain open. With the door open, the car was noisy, if both doors were open, noisy and air flow. Those four teensy weensy, tilt windows just barely keep the Co level from getting lethal. |
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Posted by BusRider on Mon May 28 09:02:12 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by FarRock on Sun May 27 21:07:40 2012. So the swap is going to be:(A) R44 - R42 (C) R32 - R46 (E) R160 (H) R32 I'm going to the city this Thursday the 31st will there be ANY R44's still on the A by chance? |
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Posted by merrick1 on Mon May 28 09:17:39 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Avid Reader on Mon May 28 08:24:42 2012. Part of the problem was that the Jamaica Water Company's wells were contaminated by chemical spills. Jamaica was switched over to city water. Wells that had been in use for a hundred years were no longer being pumped and the water table rose to its natural level.More ground water is getting into the storm sewers and they have less capacity for storm run-off. Catch basins along Hillside overflow even if they are not clogged. Sometimes water comes out of the sewer grates instead of going down. The street floods over the curb and water runs into the subway ventilation grates and the station stairways. The subway pumps are designed to pump into the storm sewers which are already full. Raising the ventilation grates on Hillside and rebuilding the stairways so that you go up one or two steps before you go down does seem to have helped to keep water out. There was a proposal to buy some land on Hillside and build a big tank for the subway pumps to pump into but nothing seems to have happened yet. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon May 28 09:33:38 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by J trainloco on Mon May 28 01:15:06 2012. Do you know how labor intensive that would be? |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon May 28 09:36:02 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon May 28 09:33:38 2012. Or how many OKs from Car equipment mgmt will have to Ok? Eh Train Dude ? |
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Posted by R30A on Mon May 28 09:37:57 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon May 28 09:33:38 2012. If Its been done for GOs lasting 6 months. I don't see how its too labor intensive for a permanent route change on lines they are not that unlikely to be assigned to. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon May 28 09:38:18 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Mon May 28 06:58:06 2012. All right, your're nit-picking.Yes, Dave Pierman's original site, SubTalk. Same topics, just a different name and host. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon May 28 09:45:02 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by BusRider on Mon May 28 09:02:12 2012. Absolutely not.A: R32/42/46. C: R46 E: R160 H: weekdays: R46 4 car OPTO H: weekends: R32 (10 cars) or R46 (8 cars) with c/r. According to car availability and the decision of the dispatcher (or if the superintendant gets involved). |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon May 28 09:48:11 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon May 28 09:45:02 2012. I can see it now:Let there be even 1 of the 3 weekend shuttle trains be an R46 and let there be one R32 laid up in Rock Park Yard and they'll be bitching and moaning on BusChat! |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon May 28 09:50:28 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Railman718 on Mon May 28 09:36:02 2012. That too!It's gotta go thru "channels". Don't forget about the budget people, which you and I know has to approve it. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon May 28 09:58:12 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by R30A on Mon May 28 09:37:57 2012. What are you talking about?You would need at least 2 employees to open up the sign box, unroll the signs on both sides to the place to be modified and carefully place tacky looking stickers inside and outside. Seemingly simple to you, but not in NYCT structure. These 2 employees would be taken away from a different task and this new task would take much longer than you may think. The barns used to have lots of workers. Today I can assure you there are far less. Believe me, the R32's are not going to the B or M or anywhere else. The may be on the A, they may be on the C, but there are not going to get reassigned away from 207 barn. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon May 28 09:59:01 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon May 28 09:48:11 2012. SubChat rather. |
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Posted by Handbrake on Mon May 28 10:32:32 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon May 28 09:45:02 2012. Interesting car assignments. Is this data direct from the Car Assignment Desk? |
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Posted by R30A on Mon May 28 10:37:14 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon May 28 09:58:12 2012. They put two sets of new decals on for the Lenox reroutes in 1998. I am not saying that it wasn't labor intensive, but the labor involved was obviously not extensive enough to prevent the MTA from retrofitting them onto a much larger fleet for a sign useful for a short period of time. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon May 28 10:49:43 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Handbrake on Mon May 28 10:32:32 2012. More like RTO as they decided to get the R32's off the C for the summer so the a/c systems have a chance to get some fresh air when the A goes up onto the structure south of Grant Ave. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon May 28 10:51:30 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by R30A on Mon May 28 10:37:14 2012. 1998 to 2012 = 14 years.A lifetime of budgets and more importantly how differently things are now done at NYCT's workplace. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon May 28 10:53:53 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon May 28 09:50:28 2012. Exactly! |
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Posted by J trainloco on Mon May 28 12:14:08 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon May 28 09:58:12 2012. Sorry Bill, but I disagree. The cars are going through SMS right now, and if this had been considered ahead of time, this could have been done concurrently. We're talking about 222 cars. How long you figure it takes to do each one? How labor intensive is it to switch the A/C fleets, plus move equipment to and from Jamaica and ENY yards each spring/summer?And, even IF you couldn't do that, because applying decals to 222 cars is just prohibitvely expensive, leave the roll signs unchanged. People will still know that the M is going between 71st and Metropolitan. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon May 28 12:17:31 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon May 28 09:50:28 2012. Probably more a budget issue and the time factor. Installing updated roll signs has been done before. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon May 28 12:21:04 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by R30A on Mon May 28 09:37:57 2012. The R-32s are not being moved - period. The only exception to that statement will be if 207th St. is closed as a B division maintenance shop and their fleet is moved permanently to Pitkin Shop. The politics of moving the oldest fleet in the system to a different division, alone would make it prohibitive. |
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Posted by Ble-nimx on Mon May 28 12:25:56 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon May 28 09:48:11 2012. Better yet that one train gets an isolated head car for the crews! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 28 12:26:37 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun May 27 23:52:12 2012. Which makes no sense. These trains should have their use limited as much as possible. Just put R160's out there if you have to and let the old dogs sleep on weekends. |
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Posted by Handbrake on Mon May 28 12:26:47 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon May 28 10:49:43 2012. Interesting, RTO is hired to just run the trains to a posted schedule. DCE puts the cars out on the road. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 28 12:28:10 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Train Dude on Sun May 27 20:15:52 2012. I recall Jamaica R32's having A/C problems dating back at least to 2005. Not long after someone else was given control at Jamaica .... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 28 12:30:53 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun May 27 20:46:08 2012. In my personal experience, they had the best AC (outside the NTT's) of any car. I remember one a few years back that spent a very hot weekend at Rockaway Park sealed up. When the conductor finally opened the doors for service on a Monday morning every surface was coated with condensation. Had to sit on newspaper. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon May 28 12:32:05 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 28 12:26:37 2012. Just put R160's out there if you have to and let the old dogs sleep on weekends.Then watch them get Tagged beyond Belief... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon May 28 12:35:37 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by J trainloco on Mon May 28 12:14:08 2012. The cars are going through SMS right nowThey way 3889 Operated Two Weeks ago i didnt even feel the difference.. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 28 12:36:24 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun May 27 14:00:40 2012. All this R44 love now that they've been retired. I guess: |
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Posted by J trainloco on Mon May 28 12:39:55 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Railman718 on Mon May 28 12:35:37 2012. What were they supposed to upgrade? |
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