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Posted by MATHA531 on Sun Oct 23 11:38:08 2011 I was thinking yesterday as I rode a #5 out of Flatbush Avenue due to the GO, the car on the train I was on had a strip map for the #2. I've also seen that quite often on weekdays out of Flatbush. As a matter of fact, sometimes a train comes in as a #2 and leaves as a #5 or vice versa so the obvious question....Didn't the bird brains when they ordered the cars and set the specs make provisions or was the assumption that once a car was assigned to the #2, it would always be a #2 and tht if a major change occurred, the car might become a #5 and the right strip map substituted? It just seems that there was a mess up somewhere or just plain stupidity. What were they thinking? |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Oct 23 11:50:36 2011, in response to IRT Strip Maps, posted by MATHA531 on Sun Oct 23 11:38:08 2011. The right thing to do would have been to implement a "FIND" system, but at the time the cars were being built, I don't think the engineers had it nailed down yet. The solution: retrofit.wayne |
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Posted by MATHA531 on Sun Oct 23 11:50:41 2011, in response to IRT Strip Maps, posted by MATHA531 on Sun Oct 23 11:38:08 2011. Just to make it clear, I'm not saying it'sd a big deal or it isn't a big deal. It just seems to me that somebody made a grievous error in judgment something that even a lay person should have been able to realize......unless it was their intent to change the strip maps in the same way in the old days they used to walk through the cars and change the destiantion signs manually...... |
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Posted by mike nash on Sun Oct 23 12:26:36 2011, in response to Re: IRT Strip Maps, posted by MATHA531 on Sun Oct 23 11:50:41 2011. don't forget the r142's & 42a's wrere the first gereneration ditital computerized cars. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Oct 23 13:09:18 2011, in response to IRT Strip Maps, posted by MATHA531 on Sun Oct 23 11:38:08 2011. I've also noticed that the strip maps on (2) trains are pretty dirty for some reason while the (5) strip maps are pretty clean. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Oct 23 14:05:44 2011, in response to IRT Strip Maps, posted by MATHA531 on Sun Oct 23 11:38:08 2011. I think they should set up the (2) and (5) fleet with strip maps that can be flipped up and down to show either the (2) or the (5) strip map.The main card would have the top half of the (2) map and the bottom half of the (5) map. A moveable leaf would be attached at the centerline, with the bottom half of the (2) map on its upper surface, and the top half of the (5) map on its lower surface. Flip it down for the (2) map or up for the (5) map. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Oct 23 15:40:30 2011, in response to IRT Strip Maps, posted by MATHA531 on Sun Oct 23 11:38:08 2011. When I rode the U-Bahn in Stuttgart, they had roll signs on both the ends of the trains and the sides that were set from the cab and then automatically stopped at the proper position. Those have been replaced by LED signs AFAIK based on photos I've seen from there since I was there in 2002 but the strip maps on the interior of the car were also rolls set by the destination code that would stop in line with the LEDs to show the upcoming stops as needed for that particular line. That sort of solution would have worked very well in NYC for the R142s and R143s. |
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Posted by Train2104 on Sun Oct 23 16:05:04 2011, in response to IRT Strip Maps, posted by MATHA531 on Sun Oct 23 11:38:08 2011. For this GO the 5 equipment is running the 2 and the 2 equipment is running the 5. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Oct 23 20:18:59 2011, in response to Re: IRT Strip Maps, posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Oct 23 14:05:44 2011. Who is supposed to do the "flip"?There are no platform c/r's assigned to terminals anymore. Don't tell me the road crew either. They may not have time to do a 10 car train. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Sun Oct 23 20:37:51 2011, in response to Re: IRT Strip Maps, posted by Train2104 on Sun Oct 23 16:05:04 2011. There are two or three (2) trains in actual (2) service to South Ferry. lol |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Sun Oct 23 20:40:06 2011, in response to IRT Strip Maps, posted by MATHA531 on Sun Oct 23 11:38:08 2011. Of course they planned for this! That's why there's an option to turn OFF the electronic strip maps. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Oct 23 22:27:31 2011, in response to Re: IRT Strip Maps, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Oct 23 20:18:59 2011. How often do the trains switch between (2) and (5) service? I know I have seen a lot of #2 trains with #5 maps lately, and vice versa, but don't the trains usually come out of the yard as one or the other, and remain the same number until they return to the yard? If so, the conductor of the consist's first run of the day (or T/O for the front half, C/R for the rear half) could flip the signs when needed. How do they do it on R32s or other equipment that still has manual roll signs? |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Sun Oct 23 22:47:39 2011, in response to Re: IRT Strip Maps, posted by G1Ravage on Sun Oct 23 20:37:51 2011. So some (2) and (5) crews are flipped between 241 St and Dyre Av unless they do crew changes at South Ferry and Flatbush Avenue. |
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Posted by MATHA531 on Sun Oct 23 23:36:07 2011, in response to Re: IRT Strip Maps, posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Oct 23 22:27:31 2011. I don't work for MTA so I don't know all the intricacies...however during the week, I see trains coming into Flatbush Avenue as #2 trains and leaving as #5 trains. I think both the #2 and #5 are serviced out of yards in the Bronx and wonder how careul they are in separating the equipment used on the #2 from the equipment used on the #5...I also see trains that come into Flatbush as #5 and leave as #5 yet have #2 strip maps.The question I raised is not what is....we see what is. The question is didn't the bird brains making these orders originally consider this might happen? Now the same series of cars went into the L (qwll nor hw aMW WZxr aweiwa vur EW RHOAW `32'A a oppoaws ro `31'a all have strip maps for the L and I think, bug again am not sure, all trains in the Canarsie yard are used exclusively on the L so it doesn't seem to be a problem. You just think some times that people don't have the ability to think thikngs through. Certainly having strip maps is a good idea but this just doesn't seem to have been thought through. |
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Posted by Stef on Mon Oct 24 00:35:04 2011, in response to Re: IRT Strip Maps, posted by G1Ravage on Sun Oct 23 20:37:51 2011. Over the last two Sundays, there have been noticeable quirks with the CIS in various stations; since when does the 1 go to Eastchester-Dyre???FYI, the "alleged" 1 Train in question was a train of number 2 Types headed to Dyre as it should... -Stef |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Mon Oct 24 04:34:49 2011, in response to Re: IRT Strip Maps, posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Sun Oct 23 22:47:39 2011. Actually, the crews are in their proper places. (5) employees are technically working the (5), but displaying signage for the (2). |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Mon Oct 24 05:48:41 2011, in response to Re: IRT Strip Maps, posted by G1Ravage on Mon Oct 24 04:34:49 2011. Do the weekday Dyre trips after 10:02pm immediately become (2) trains to South Ferry, or is there at least a few extra (5) trains going to Bowling Green? |
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Posted by checkthedoorlight on Mon Oct 24 13:31:12 2011, in response to Re: IRT Strip Maps, posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Mon Oct 24 05:48:41 2011. Southbound 5's will continue to operate to Bowling Green as 5's up until the 2238 out of Dyre (meaning that northbound 5 service Bowling Green to Dyre is extended an extra hour). The 2247 out of Dyre will be the first "2" to South Ferry, and will run local the whole way. |
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Posted by checkthedoorlight on Mon Oct 24 13:32:56 2011, in response to Re: IRT Strip Maps, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Oct 23 20:18:59 2011. I personally changed the rollsigns of TWO 10 car sets of 3's this weekend. |
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Posted by checkthedoorlight on Mon Oct 24 13:39:39 2011, in response to Re: IRT Strip Maps, posted by MATHA531 on Sun Oct 23 23:36:07 2011. The 2/5 dispatchers care a lot more about providing available equipment to keep the trains on schedule than they do about making sure the strip maps match. The 2 & 5 are the only IRT lines which share equipment (except on a very rare occasion when things get out of whack at the Utica relay), which is why you never see 4 or 6's with the wrong maps.I do personally think that they should have kept the equipment with 5 maps (6300-6600) out of 241 and the equipment with 2 maps (6700+) out of Dyre this weekend, since it was bad enough that nothing was going where it was supposed to be, and the public couldn't even read the maps to see what was coming up. |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Mon Oct 24 14:43:58 2011, in response to Re: IRT Strip Maps, posted by checkthedoorlight on Mon Oct 24 13:31:12 2011. So at Bowling Green the N/B times would be 2324, 2340, 2400 (0000)?Also do S/B 5 trains leave Dyre Avenue between 3:30am-5am in order to plug the service gap at Bowling Green (between 5am-6:18am)? |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Mon Oct 24 14:46:12 2011, in response to Re: IRT Strip Maps, posted by MATHA531 on Sun Oct 23 23:36:07 2011. Now the same series of cars went into the L (qwll nor hw aMW WZxr aweiwa vur EW RHOAW `32'A a oppoaws ro `31'a all have strip maps for the L and I think, bug again am not sure, all trains in the Canarsie yard are used exclusively on the L so it doesn't seem to be a problem.Um, excuse me? |
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Posted by checkthedoorlight on Mon Oct 24 15:02:49 2011, in response to Re: IRT Strip Maps, posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Mon Oct 24 14:43:58 2011. 2320, 2335, 2350 are the last 3 northbound departures from Bowling Green. By then there should be "5"s coming from Brooklyn.The last "2" that leaves Dyre for South Ferry is the 0346. That same equipment returns north to Dyre, getting there at 0616. The next two Dyre departures (0401, 0419) run to Bowling Green and back, and then the 0439 and 0459 are shuttles to E180 (at the same time, there are 5's coming out of Unionport that run E180-Flatbush). After that, normal AM service resumes, with 5's running Dyre-Flatbush. |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Mon Oct 24 16:03:46 2011, in response to Re: IRT Strip Maps, posted by checkthedoorlight on Mon Oct 24 15:02:49 2011. Looks like the first E 180 - Flatbush train (4:40am?, or is it 4:43am?) will replace a put in from Brooklyn to go back up as the 6:06am (5) train. The second one is regular AM rush service at 5:13am (unless that time has been slightly changed to 5:10am for the GO to keep the 20 minute headway, otherwise there would be up to a 23 minute gap somewhere).Also can you tell me the first/last times of the 2 and 5 out of 241 St and Flatbush Av around 10:30pm-12am and 4am-5:30am (both the Monday-Thursday Lex Av local and the Friday Lex Av express times). Hopefully tripplanner will update the times in the system before this GO ends. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Oct 24 16:06:08 2011, in response to Re: IRT Strip Maps, posted by Stef on Mon Oct 24 00:35:04 2011. Do the R142s have a program for the 1 to Dyre? |
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Posted by checkthedoorlight on Mon Oct 24 16:54:21 2011, in response to Re: IRT Strip Maps, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Oct 24 16:06:08 2011. The only 1 programs the 142's have is South Ferry to 242 and vice versa. Interestingly though, there IS a 2 program for 148 to Flatbush via Lex Exp, but it gives an error if you try to load it. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Oct 24 17:03:57 2011, in response to Re: IRT Strip Maps, posted by checkthedoorlight on Mon Oct 24 16:54:21 2011. You mean no Dyckman or 137 St - So/Fy? With the cars having computerized signage EVERY possible route/terminal combination should be able to be displayed! |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Mon Oct 24 17:09:30 2011, in response to Re: IRT Strip Maps, posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Mon Oct 24 16:03:46 2011. I meant 4:53am, not 4:43am |
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Posted by checkthedoorlight on Mon Oct 24 17:27:58 2011, in response to Re: IRT Strip Maps, posted by randyo on Mon Oct 24 17:03:57 2011. Hard drive space restrictions. Since the 1 line doesn't run any 142's, none of their programs are needed in there, but they keep the regular route just in case a set ends up over there. Same deal with the 3. You can program the 142's to make any intermediate stop the final stop on the displays, but it will still announce it as going to the programmed destination. For example, I once programmed my 5 to do "this is a Nereid Ave bound 5 train. The next and last stop is Gun Hill Road"There IS a full set of 7 announcements though, including to/from Hunters Point! And yes, there's also a program for the shuttle. It's funny just HOW many programs are in there for the 2/4/5/6, and yet there aren't ANY programs which go to South Ferry... |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Oct 24 17:35:23 2011, in response to Re: IRT Strip Maps, posted by checkthedoorlight on Mon Oct 24 17:27:58 2011. They probably aren't doing it by 'branching'. Which is funny, because you can do that with most commercial voicemail systems. |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Mon Oct 24 18:27:53 2011, in response to Re: IRT Strip Maps, posted by checkthedoorlight on Mon Oct 24 17:27:58 2011. There is a 5 to South Ferry via the 7th Avenue line program |
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Posted by Train2104 on Mon Oct 24 18:40:13 2011, in response to Re: IRT Strip Maps, posted by checkthedoorlight on Mon Oct 24 17:27:58 2011. I thought there's a 2 Wakefield-SF program, I think I've seen it before.Of course there's no 2 Dyre-SF. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Oct 24 18:50:45 2011, in response to Re: IRT Strip Maps, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Oct 24 17:35:23 2011. Windows ... probably too much disk space being eaten by icons that aren't displayed and internet cache. :) |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Mon Oct 24 19:11:43 2011, in response to Re: IRT Strip Maps, posted by Train2104 on Mon Oct 24 18:40:13 2011. At one point there may have been. But sometimes programs get swapped out for other programs due to hard drive constraints. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Oct 24 21:40:07 2011, in response to Re: IRT Strip Maps, posted by checkthedoorlight on Mon Oct 24 17:27:58 2011. Those must be awfully small hard drives. I can't believe that they couldn't have a drive big enough to hold not only every possible New York route, but every Chicago, Boston, and London route besides. Either that, or the FIND system is real bloatware. |
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Posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Mon Oct 24 22:05:40 2011, in response to Re: IRT Strip Maps, posted by checkthedoorlight on Mon Oct 24 17:27:58 2011. IINM just for the (5), there are/have been N/B programs to:Dyre, 241st, Nereid, East 180th, 149th LL, Woodlawn, Pelham Bay Park. SB: 180th, 149th LL, Grand Central, Brooklyn Bridge, Bowling Green, South Ferry, Flatbush, Utica, New Lots. |
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Posted by checkthedoorlight on Tue Oct 25 02:39:44 2011, in response to Re: IRT Strip Maps, posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Oct 24 21:40:07 2011. Hello, these 142s were built in the 90s. They run Windows NT 4 from a LAPTOP. I don't think that configuration can even support hard drives larger than 2GB, and they gotta save most of that space for the Event Recorder Logs.I hear the 160s have computers that are more 21st century. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Oct 25 02:40:10 2011, in response to Re: IRT Strip Maps, posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Oct 24 21:40:07 2011. I was thinking the same thing. If the existing hard drives can't hold all the possible combinations, then install one that can!!!! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 25 02:47:48 2011, in response to Re: IRT Strip Maps, posted by checkthedoorlight on Tue Oct 25 02:39:44 2011. Didn't you say you were going to stop posting and also take down all your files off the web once you started working for NYCT? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Oct 25 03:22:06 2011, in response to Re: IRT Strip Maps, posted by randyo on Tue Oct 25 02:40:10 2011. Winblows 32 bit can't do more than 1.84 gigs and the operating system eats most of it ... "as built." :( |
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Posted by checkthedoorlight on Tue Oct 25 03:43:17 2011, in response to Re: IRT Strip Maps, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 25 02:47:48 2011. Yes, and I did both things. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 25 05:09:01 2011, in response to Re: IRT Strip Maps, posted by checkthedoorlight on Tue Oct 25 03:43:17 2011. Um...my point was that you are still posting... |
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Posted by hank eisenstein on Tue Oct 25 06:36:11 2011, in response to Re: IRT Strip Maps, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Oct 25 03:22:06 2011. That's wildly inaccurate. The volume limit for a machine running Windows (no matter if it's a 32 or 64 bit system) on an NTFS formatted drive is ~2TB; larger drives can be partitioned into smaller volumes. Even FAT32 could do a ~32GB volume, with a maximum ~4GB file size. Max file size for FAT32 is ~2GB; for NTFS is beyond the the logical limit of a single drive (16000 Petabytes, IIRC)The physical size limit for the 2.5" drive footprint is currently 1TB (though 1.5TB are in development); for 3.5" it's 4TB |
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Posted by hank eisenstein on Tue Oct 25 06:51:06 2011, in response to Re: IRT Strip Maps, posted by hank eisenstein on Tue Oct 25 06:36:11 2011. And as a practical matter, you do a system like this as a database that links to the sound files. You record each station name, each train name, and your various 'standard' announcements (e.g. "Watch the closing doors").Standard Announcements: [This is a] [local train] [to] [The next stop is] [Transfer is available to] [Stand clear of the closing doors] [trains] [and] Train Names: [4] [5] [6] [7] [Times Square Shuttle] Station Names: [42nd Street-Grand Central] So you build your announcements by selecting the items you need from each table, like so: [This is a][5][local train][to][Bowling Green][The next stop is][42nd Street-Grand Central][Transfer is available to][4][6][7][and][Times Square Shuttle][trains][Stand clear of the closing doors] In this way, you only need to record each item once; you build your 'route table' to include the list of stations you stop at. The annunciation program does the rest. |
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Posted by GIS Man on Tue Oct 25 10:05:33 2011, in response to Re: IRT Strip Maps, posted by checkthedoorlight on Mon Oct 24 16:54:21 2011. 148 to Flatbush via Lex Exp? I should HOPE it gives an error!Bob |
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Posted by checkthedoorlight on Tue Oct 25 10:48:32 2011, in response to Re: IRT Strip Maps, posted by hank eisenstein on Tue Oct 25 06:36:11 2011. Again, we're talking about laptops from the 90s running NT 4, which likely didn't even support FAT32, and DEFINITELY don't support 2.5" SATA drives. If the BIOS can't recgonize the drive, it won't even get past the boot screen. They'd have to replace the entire computer to upgrade the harddrive. Do you think the MTA has a budget to buy 400 new computers? |
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Posted by boliqua2 on Tue Oct 25 11:21:51 2011, in response to Re: IRT Strip Maps, posted by checkthedoorlight on Tue Oct 25 10:48:32 2011. If MTA buys in bulk it will be very cheap to do especially if u get the equivalent of a netbook even just running windows xp with a 300 gig drive should me more then enough space for all the announcements and programs. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Oct 25 12:28:09 2011, in response to Re: IRT Strip Maps, posted by checkthedoorlight on Tue Oct 25 10:48:32 2011. NT4 had NTFS, and the primary partition was limited to ~8GB. Additional partitions are limited to ~135GB. STILL plenty of drive space. 2.5" IDE drives max out at 320GB, still plenty of space. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Tue Oct 25 17:21:13 2011, in response to Re: IRT Strip Maps, posted by GIS Man on Tue Oct 25 10:05:33 2011. It works on most trains. "LEX EXP" is just a route description error. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Tue Oct 25 17:22:19 2011, in response to Re: IRT Strip Maps, posted by hank eisenstein on Tue Oct 25 06:51:06 2011. IAWTP That's how it should've been. |
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