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Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jan 25 20:44:17 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 25 20:39:01 2011. Old phenom known as "planning ahead" with the knowledge that if something like that had to be built later on, such work would likely make the existing facility unusable until the new work was completed. So you didn't do any finishing work, but you definitely constructed all that would interfere with the existing facility in the future. Back in those days, it was called "smart" ... today it's called "waste." Until after construction begins on the new piece where it gets called "relocation work" ... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 25 20:46:08 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Randyo on Tue Jan 25 15:04:52 2011. Again, this would have to be a two level tunnel here if this station exists. Most IND stations (and like the other local stations on the line Shephard, etc) have mezzanine levels AND track levels. 76th St would have been built the same way as most other IND stations, and like the other local stations on the line.I just fine it hard to believe that they would just block up a two level abandoned station, and have it completely free of inspection, etc. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 25 20:49:20 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Teddmann on Tue Jan 25 15:43:21 2011. It's documented that the shells of Euclid, Liberty, Van Siclen, and Shepard were all built prior to the wall. Those stations lacked tiles and trackage, as well as signaling once the construction stopped. It is not out of the relhm of possibility that 76th St was also built with those.Broadway Junction (East New York) was completely built and tiled, but didn't have trackage or signals when metal ran out for the war, that's why Rockaway Ave was the terminal for a while. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 25 20:50:11 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 25 20:49:20 2011. It's documented that the shells of Euclid, Liberty, Van Siclen, and Shepard were all built prior to the wall.I meant prior to the war. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jan 25 20:54:36 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Andrew Saucci on Tue Jan 25 20:43:25 2011. But none of these people-- not one-- thought to take a camera in there and snap even one-- just one-- picture? I know people didn't have cellular phones with built-in cameras back then, but still...They were all on duty at the time. Cameras aren't exactly part of the uniform. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jan 25 20:55:24 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 25 20:36:43 2011. Yes, but that is quite different, as you only have one legal address/home, either the one in Florida, or the one in NY. In this case, it's the same home, and it is your legal address.You still only get one vote. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 25 20:56:36 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jan 25 16:52:24 2011. Oh this is great, not only is there an urban legend of a station at 76th St....now there is rumor that there are some "basket cases" old trains parked in the station too! :) |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jan 25 20:58:04 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 25 20:21:31 2011. I don't think they are either. Kevin has an account here (although hasnt been here in a while), but he posted as Kevin Walsh.And that Kevin is from Queens. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 25 21:01:37 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Randyo on Tue Jan 25 19:40:30 2011. Would this tiling mistake have been done before or after the stations at Euclid and the other 3 local stations were tiled? |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Jan 25 21:09:41 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Andrew Saucci on Tue Jan 25 20:43:25 2011. Were cameras small enough then? |
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Posted by monorail on Tue Jan 25 21:23:27 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by arnine on Tue Jan 25 21:09:41 2011. they may have been small in some ways, but w/o sufficient flash or light, photos would be next to impossible |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jan 25 21:44:48 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 25 20:56:36 2011. Nope ... they were merely parked there on the available track, and obviously were removed before the wall went up. Think of it as spare parking space while it was available. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 25 21:48:25 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 25 20:39:01 2011. In that case though, that DOES make sense. It would cost a lot of money to underpin the stations so that it was worthwhile to build the shells to prevent that in the future even if it resulted in a higher initial outlay. In the case of the Pitkin extension, it's trivial to extend the tunnel at a future date, so there was no need to build a shell. Note that the South 4th and Utica/Fulton shells are as long as the station below is wide. They didn't build more than they had to avoid underpinning in the future, so why would they build the Pitkin subway longer than it should have been? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 25 21:49:26 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 25 20:36:43 2011. But you may be able to choose which one you want to be your primary residence and therefore voting address. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 25 21:50:25 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jan 25 20:41:22 2011. Understood. He did say they were "as built" blueprints but I don't believe him. |
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Posted by f179dj on Tue Jan 25 21:53:21 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 25 20:35:18 2011. "By the way, for a while, in Bellerose, one side of Jamaica Ave was Queens and the other side Nassau."Oops it still is; that's where the border is; cross the street and get cheap(er) cigarettes, lol. "Even more odd is that the Queens side of the road was called Jamaica Ave, and the Nassau Side was called Jericho Turnpike!!! " Yeah,well, I grew up here and that was a given. I called it whatever I felt like; all the locals knew the difference. I still call it whatever mood sways me; whatever comes easier. For out-of-towners, I gave them both the Jamaica (showing my roots) and Jericho exits from the Cross Island, not knowing what was posted. "I think more recently, they finally changed that and call both sides of the road Jericho Turnpike on the part with the border." Apparently they agreed to call everything west of the CIP Jamaica Avenue on both sides; and everything east of CIP Jericho Turnpike, Jericho Turnpike on both sides. But there are still some businesses on the Queens (north) side of the border that use Jamaica Avenue as their address. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 25 21:54:29 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Edwards! on Tue Jan 25 14:45:02 2011. You've got all figured out so its an waste of time,regardless of TUNNEL MAN'S stated eye witness account?Eyewitness accounts are unreliable without corroboration. So stop tossing water on the flames..and go with it. You don't want to "believe"..fine..but stop trying to tell US about it..we don't care. Like I said elsewhere, this isn't like a natural phenomenon where you can speculate about it. It's either there or it isn't. You can believe any sort of crazy shit, but that doesn't make it true. People like you like to believe in things that don't exist because it's "imaginative." Those of us in the reality-based community prefer to try to understand the world as it is, not whichever way we think is more fun. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 25 21:56:33 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Randyo on Tue Jan 25 15:04:52 2011. Many IND stations look similar. In what way were their descriptions unique such that they could only have described a partially-completed station s/o Euclid? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 25 22:00:37 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jan 25 21:44:48 2011. Heh, well, I like the urban legend that there are trains parked back there better....may as well go all out with this 76th St stuff! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 25 22:03:42 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 25 21:48:25 2011. Yes, the station shells are only as long as the width of the in use subway tunnels.As for 76th, it's a totally different situation, as in that case, the line was being built as it was supposed to keep going at that point. 76th wasn't (if it's there of course) a "provision", but instead a continuation of the line they were building. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 25 22:04:28 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jan 25 20:55:24 2011. Yes. Just pointing out that it's different than a vacation home. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jan 25 22:05:28 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 25 22:00:37 2011. Go for it ... I'm with Randy and tunnelrat on this one ... I've heard exactly the same from oldheads with the IND that I talked to back in 1970 and 71 and heard *exactly* the same things. And from people I know weren't screwing with my head about any of it. And yes, the yard leads were used for storing cars that weren't going to see revenue for a while. I even remember seeing some work equipment in really bad shape out there.Only thing I'm waiting to hear is signs of a mound in the roadbed containing either Judge Crater or Jimmy Hoffa. :) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 25 22:09:38 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jan 25 22:05:28 2011. Well, it's never been as disappointing as that day that you posted photos claiming they were photos of 76th St, and that "this" was finally over....but then hours later, it wasn't to be.... :) |
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Posted by f179dj on Tue Jan 25 22:25:47 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jan 25 20:41:22 2011. Geez, I hate to step into this.I have before me a blue print. Yes, indeedy, white ink on blue paper. It is from the Board of Transportation, New York City Transit System, IND Div., Engineering Bureau, DWG A8-3W-A, for contact rail indicator 35-A8-F-G.AV-Z dated 9-19-47. Contract is S-44 & S-45, Fulton St., Line A. Signed by Mr. Reid, Engineer, Line Equipment. It is for Relay Case A8-3Z, but we (I) liberated it from the home signal case at that location. It is in good condition, considering what it could have been exposed to. Final note: signed off as "A" Original on 1-28-49, at stationing 2+90. Oh, and on the drawing A8 is designated "east bound," not that that really matters |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jan 25 22:27:24 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 25 21:50:25 2011. I'll just leave it with my own realities of walking into other people's facilities or reviewing them. I, nor any other engineer, are the least bit interested in design blueprints beyond perhaps a "what were they thinking?" autopsy after a disaster. The only blueprints of any value are the "as built" ones, and those are the ones normally retained as records of any facility where potential maintenance or modification might occur in the future. Original designs are useless if that isn't what was built. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jan 25 22:28:35 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 25 22:00:37 2011. The Green Hornet was saved from the war effort, and was stored back there, but they forgot all about it since the documents all said it went to war, so when they back filled the hole it got hidden in there. I'm sure when we break open the street, we will find it and other missing things in there.
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jan 25 22:36:20 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 25 22:09:38 2011. Yep ... and you'd be amazed to know who fed me that story and those pictures to post here ... and as much as he pisses me off, I promised not to tell. Ah well ... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jan 25 22:46:10 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by f179dj on Tue Jan 25 22:25:47 2011. Aw, you don't hate stepping in ... could you get the crew door though so I don't have to pull my brake plug out to close the leaf? :)East bound? Yep ... contractor print. As built? Or as removed? (grin) |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Jan 25 22:53:51 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by monorail on Tue Jan 25 21:23:27 2011. That is what I thought. Also, the amount of equipment would be cumbersome. |
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Posted by jabrams on Tue Jan 25 22:54:15 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by tunnelrat on Tue Jan 25 13:20:28 2011. Let me tell you a story of "As built blueprints". I was looking for the circuit breaker for the cloocks in a school. The original blueprint had it listed in the basement. The "As built" blueprint had it listed on the South side 2nd floor electrical room. In real life, it turned out in the 2nd floor North electrical room. So much for "As built" blueprints. |
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Posted by f179dj on Tue Jan 25 22:57:06 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jan 25 22:46:10 2011. Well, at least we tried to move the crew door closer to the crew! Don't know what my successors did.I really hated to walk 60 feet to key open a door that could have been 3 feet away; that's why we usually lifted a seat cover and manually opened the door closest to the T/D. Yeah "as removed" from the signal case; I guess the statute of limitations has run out; if not, oh well, I'm old and retired, they can sue me. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jan 25 23:00:43 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by jabrams on Tue Jan 25 22:54:15 2011. Heh. In an institution where docudroids and adminiswigs live no less. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jan 25 23:04:59 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by f179dj on Tue Jan 25 22:57:06 2011. Feh ... you must have worked for a REAL railroad ... I'm used to insret key, turn, nothing. Then decide whether to jump off, climb up and through a storm door, or walk back, push the gates apart and climb over. :)I'll notify the authorities. long-short-long-short ... and watch the cop bolt up the stairs. Heh. |
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Posted by f179dj on Tue Jan 25 23:12:57 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jan 25 23:04:59 2011. "long-short-long-short ...and watch the cop bolt up the stairs."Either that or two signal maintainers. I've gone through the gates before; any port in a storm and keep the road moving; every second counts. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jan 25 23:41:18 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by f179dj on Tue Jan 25 23:12:57 2011. Heh. Yeah, I always made it a point to be early ... marker lights were still in effect, and you never knew if the crank handle would come off in your hand with the roll sign up there. And if it didn't, you had to summon up two separate gorillas to get it turning. :) |
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Posted by Jeff H. on Tue Jan 25 23:50:15 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by f179dj on Tue Jan 25 22:25:47 2011. Yes, portions of the IND signals were designed E-W rather than N-SWhat is the significance of this blueprint ? Does it show 76St? |
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Posted by Jeff H. on Tue Jan 25 23:55:20 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 25 21:56:33 2011. What other unfinished IND station could they have been in? |
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Posted by f179dj on Wed Jan 26 00:00:03 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Jeff H. on Tue Jan 25 23:50:15 2011. "Does it show 76 St?"Nope; just that the blueprint is from A-8 and taken from a contemporary box (1949 was a very good year) and shows that that the third rail extended that far (2+90) at least, with which I don't think anyone here disagrees. I can't get you any further than +/- 300 feet towards 76th Street. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 26 05:37:46 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 25 19:11:48 2011. Since Pitkin didnt exist there in the 1920's aerial photo, but does by the 50's one, it's possible it was built around the time they mayhave done the subway. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jan 26 07:19:09 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Teddmann on Mon Jan 24 13:49:22 2011. Looking at that corner, it seems like Pitkin and 76th is in a very residential neighborhood. Subway station staircases here would look odd. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jan 26 08:10:32 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by William A. Padron on Tue Jan 25 12:06:07 2011. I still remember the "Fulton-Lefferts Blvd." signs when I started riding on the R-10s in 1967, but never really looked closely at the whole sign. For the longest time I thought that particular sign read, "Fulton-Lefferts 8th Ave." - possibly because the Hagsrom's folding map we had labeled the Liberty Ave. extension as the 8th Ave. line. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Jan 26 08:16:00 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 25 21:54:29 2011. IAWTP |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Jan 26 08:18:57 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Randyo on Tue Jan 25 15:04:52 2011. The listing of 2 emergency exits on Pitkin Av in the approximate area of the station in the trainmaster's emergency exit book in 1983 also adds to the credibility.What exactly does the book say? Could we have a quote/scan? |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Jan 26 08:22:30 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 25 20:50:11 2011. Don't mention the wall! I mentioned it once, but I think I got away with it! |
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Posted by GIS Man on Wed Jan 26 08:22:47 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by f179dj on Tue Jan 25 21:53:21 2011. NYC's LION file still has it named JAMAICA AVE all the way to the end, but I've seen that even the Queens side is signed JERICHO TPKE.Bob |
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Posted by GIS Man on Wed Jan 26 08:26:36 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 25 20:30:57 2011. The Queens portion now has ZIP code 11385, but some of this area still has Brooklyn (New York City Zone 06) telephone numbers, although this is now moot since all phone calls (including coin) within 212, 718, 917, 347, 646 and (as of this coming April) 929 are now local.Bob |
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Posted by GIS Man on Wed Jan 26 08:39:20 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jan 25 18:13:42 2011. I've also heard that they hit some pretty serious water....Until the early 1960's, the space now occupied by 79th St. south of Linden Blvd. contained a channeled watercourse, no doubt connected to the creek further south. The 1924 photos show this creek extending north to South Conduit Av. with what looks like a dirt path continuing to the north towards the cemetery on the north side of Pitkin Av. Perhaps there was still an undergound stream there. BTW, part of that dirt path is now the block of 79th St. between Sutter Av. and North Conduit Av. Bob |
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Posted by GIS Man on Wed Jan 26 08:49:35 2011, in response to Re: Interesting geo-oddity Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 25 19:04:11 2011. When I returned to the city from out west back in 1982, I noticed that SAPPHIRE ST was indeed signed 78 ST. When the houses on the Brooklyn side were built, it must have finally occurred to somebody that the Brooklyn house numbers they assigned had the potential to clash with those on 78 ST in Bay Ridge. Part of the 600 block was removed there in order to build the Gowanus Expwy, but there was still a potential for problems. I'm told that the street was officially changed back to SAPPHIRE ST in 1994, but that no new signs were ever installed. NYC's LION file has SAPPHIRE ST.Bob |
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Posted by Teddmann on Wed Jan 26 08:56:18 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Randyo on Tue Jan 25 16:22:52 2011. Great stuff. See, I did not know that the connection to the Fulton EL via Grant to 80th was already planned by this time. Question then, where or how do you find this "1950 report on new subway lines"?? Me thinks I need to do a little more reading! |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Jan 26 09:10:03 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jan 25 18:13:42 2011. I've also heard that they hit some pretty serious water like they did down Nostrand, but you'd think that would have been figured out long before any shovels hit it.Exactly. Looking at a map, you'd expect serious water problems around the borough line and slightly less serious ones just west of Cross Bay Blvd. And with the population being sparser along Pitkin than along Nostrand (more dead people), I don't understand why anyone ever thought it was a good idea to build a subway there, let alone a massive 4-track one. |
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