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Posted by TonyG on Tue Apr 26 00:33:51 2011, in response to Re: Dand124 Asks Chris GP38 the Same Question #8, posted by SMAZ on Mon Apr 25 17:45:16 2011. Your view of Catholicism and what priests should / should not do is quite arrogant. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Tue Apr 26 18:28:23 2011, in response to Re: Dand124 Asks Chris GP38 the Same Question #8, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Apr 25 02:26:49 2011. Guess what, Luch, seminaries all over the country are lacking students. Many Catholic churches don't even have a single priest assigned, they share priests with other parishes in the area. Many seminaries graduate 3 or 4 men every year in Dioceses with several dozen parishes when they need 100 or more. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 26 19:16:20 2011, in response to Re: Dand124 Asks Chris GP38 the Same Question #8, posted by Dan Lawrence on Tue Apr 26 18:28:23 2011. First of all, Dan Lawrence, you said, no promised, to put me on your killfile. Why you continue to stalk and harass me makes no sense.Guess what, Luch, seminaries all over the country are lacking students. I know. I read the literature from the Brooklyn Archdiocese. A Diocese with several dozen parishes sure doesn't need more than 3 or 4 new priests a year. Many Catholic churches don't even have a single priest assigned, they share priests with other parishes in the area. Ok, Dan Lawrence. Can you name a few such parishes? Parishes sometimes share priests for Spanish mass. There may be parishes in other parts of the country that have this problem, but I don't know if it's a problem in NYC or Florida. Now, Dan Lawrence, back to the marriage thing. I agree with the Church's decision forbidding priests from marrying. We're the Catholic Church, not some Evangelical preacher like Rick Warren who rolled into town with his wife and established a Superchurch. If the Church allows priests to marry, it would be a mess. What happens when a wife files for divorce. Health insurance for families?It's not going to happen, and it's not a pressing issue for the Church. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 26 21:05:20 2011, in response to Re: Dand124 Asks Chris GP38 the Same Question #8, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Apr 25 02:24:10 2011. If they went back to Latin mass then they wouldn't have to have separate masses. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 26 21:08:41 2011, in response to Re: Dand124 Asks Chris GP38 the Same Question #8, posted by SMAZ on Mon Apr 25 01:10:04 2011. Although I am not familiar with the requirements of Eucharist in enough detail, I agree with your premise. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 26 21:13:49 2011, in response to Re: Dand124 Asks Chris GP38 the Same Question #8, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 25 07:38:17 2011. Good post (your second sentence).I don't care about their beliefs in lots of things, but they're being against condoms exacerbates the spread of AIDS in Africa. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 26 21:22:43 2011, in response to Re: Dand124 Asks Chris GP38 the Same Question #8, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 26 21:13:49 2011. but they're being against condoms exacerbates the spread of AIDS in Africa.They're or their? More Catholic-bashing from one of our resident anti-Christian posters. I think Pope Benedict changed the stance of the Church regarding condoms. Blaming the Vatican for the spread of AIDS is silly, but Catholic bashers need their material. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 26 21:24:34 2011, in response to Re: Dand124 Asks Chris GP38 the Same Question #8, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 25 07:38:17 2011. Elmwood is now a Latino superchurch.Even if the church wanted to mold in the image sought by the Tony G's of the world, at this point it may be hard to do so. He can't understand that an Evangelical can get away with it. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 26 21:37:25 2011, in response to Re: Dand124 Asks Chris GP38 the Same Question #8, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 26 21:22:43 2011. They're or their?Good catch. Sorry. I'm only going to respond for the sake of that. I don't bash Christianity specifically, I bash faith in general. Do you understand what "exacerbates" means? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 26 21:41:14 2011, in response to Re: Dand124 Asks Chris GP38 the Same Question #8, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 26 21:37:25 2011. I suspect he does it at least four times a day. :) |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Apr 26 21:44:41 2011, in response to Re: Dand124 Asks Chris GP38 the Same Question #8, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 26 21:41:14 2011. lol. I was thinking that it sounds like something that priests do in sweatpants while thinking of 12yo boys. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 26 21:48:13 2011, in response to Re: Dand124 Asks Chris GP38 the Same Question #8, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 26 21:37:25 2011. Good catch. Sorry. I'm only going to respond for the sake of that.You did it on purpose because you're challenging me to a fight. "Be fruitful and multiply" is a Judeo-Christian concept. It's one reason why the Church is not big on condom use. Do you understand what "exacerbates" means? LOL. Ok. Time to play word games again. Suggesting that the Church "exacerbates" the spread of AIDS in Africa is foolish but typical of the anti-God, anti-Christian types like yourself. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Apr 26 21:50:04 2011, in response to Re: Dand124 Asks Chris GP38 the Same Question #8, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 26 21:48:13 2011. Did you go to mass on Easter? I went to Grace Jones' brothers church and it was a real scene. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 26 21:55:31 2011, in response to Re: Dand124 Asks Chris GP38 the Same Question #8, posted by Easy on Tue Apr 26 21:44:41 2011. That too! Heh. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 26 21:55:56 2011, in response to Re: Dand124 Asks Chris GP38 the Same Question #8, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 26 21:48:13 2011. You did it on purpose because you're challenging me to a fight.BS. I just wasn't paying attention. "Be fruitful and multiply" is a Judeo-Christian concept. It's one reason why the Church is not big on condom use. Now you posted THAT deliberately. LOL. Ok. Time to play word games again. Suggesting that the Church "exacerbates" the spread of AIDS in Africa is foolish but typical of the anti-God, anti-Christian types like yourself. [sic] It's not foolish. There are certainly cases of AIDS being spread where they wouldn't had condoms been used, and there are condom use is diminished in places where Catholic faith is important. And if you want to correct my grammar, It's YOU, not YOURSELF. I am not also the subject of that sentence. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 26 22:45:53 2011, in response to Re: Dand124 Asks Chris GP38 the Same Question #8, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 26 21:55:56 2011. Now you posted THAT deliberately.It's from the book of Genesis. There are certainly cases of AIDS being spread where they wouldn't had condoms been used, Having little or nothing to do with Catholic influence. Blaming the Church is ridiculous. condom use is diminished in places where Catholic faith is important. Is it? Does this mean that condom use is increased where Catholics have less influence? That's interesting. Truth is, condom use is increased in younger age groups. Those with many partners and those who want to avoid an unwanted pregnancy use condoms. As you get older, settle down, and have sex with women who don't get their period, you won't even think of condoms, and it has nothing to do with the influence of the Church. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 26 22:47:27 2011, in response to Re: Dand124 Asks Chris GP38 the Same Question #8, posted by Easy on Tue Apr 26 21:50:04 2011. Did you go to mass on Easter?Yes. Went to Sacred Heart in downtown Tampa. Grace Jones' brothers church? Tell us more about this church and why it was a "real scene". |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Apr 26 23:23:00 2011, in response to Re: Dand124 Asks Chris GP38 the Same Question #8, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 26 22:47:27 2011. The church is called The City of Refuge. It's inside a converted warehouse in an unincorporated area called Rosewood, although the church prefers to identify it as being in the slightly more upscale Gardena. Despite being in a converted warehouse it's pretty nice inside. It's a megachurch, but with a focus on ministering to the so-called "inner city". In addition to regular black folk, they have former gang bangers, former prostitutes, ex-cons, etc.The service lasted a little over 2 hours with about half being the choir singing. The "scene" was all of the women that were there. ;) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 26 23:37:42 2011, in response to Re: Dand124 Asks Chris GP38 the Same Question #8, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 26 22:45:53 2011. It's from the book of Genesis.I was talking about something else in that sentence. Having little or nothing to do with Catholic influence. Blaming the Church is ridiculous. And I don't blame the church for the fact that not using a condom is more likely to spread AIDS. They're not responsible for that. Is it? Does this mean that condom use is increased where Catholics have less influence? That's interesting. You fail logic forever. Truth is, condom use is increased in younger age groups. Those with many partners and those who want to avoid an unwanted pregnancy use condoms. As you get older, settle down, and have sex with women who don't get their period, you won't even think of condoms, and it has nothing to do with the influence of the Church. These aren't the people who are getting AIDS. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 27 00:14:35 2011, in response to Re: Dand124 Asks Chris GP38 the Same Question #8, posted by Easy on Tue Apr 26 23:23:00 2011. Yup. The women get dressed up, especially for Easter. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 27 00:26:41 2011, in response to Re: Dand124 Asks Chris GP38 the Same Question #8, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 26 23:37:42 2011. You fail logic forever.Nope. You made a point about condom use and Catholic influence. These aren't the people who are getting AIDS. Well, not at the same rate as Africans and gays, but middle-aged people are being warned about their old ways and being told to put on a raincoat because of an increase in AIDS cases in middle aged women. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Apr 27 00:50:11 2011, in response to Re: Dand124 Asks Chris GP38 the Same Question #8, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 27 00:14:35 2011. True. Lots of beautiful women in there. Lots of ugly ones too, but I guess they gotta go to church somewhere. |
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Posted by TonyG on Wed Apr 27 02:53:55 2011, in response to Re: Dand124 Asks Chris GP38 the Same Question #8, posted by Easy on Wed Apr 27 00:50:11 2011. lol |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Apr 27 02:55:53 2011, in response to Re: Dand124 Asks Chris GP38 the Same Question #8, posted by TonyG on Tue Apr 26 00:33:51 2011. What this priest did protects the integrity of Catholic doctrine and practices.The RCC is not some kind of buffoonish church with screaming freaks posing as pastors blindly calling out to "GEEZZUHHSSSAAHHH!" with clergy whose religious training amounts to a DVD course through some Web-based "ministry". The RCC doesn't do "flavor of the month". One can agree or disagree with their doctrine but give the RCC credit for upholding a semblance of intellectual consistency and integrity. For the record, I don't believe that Johnnie In The Petri Dish is a person, I think that the worst of the worst criminals need to be liquidated after a fair trial and appeals, I believe that some wars are justified and I think that their stance on homosexuality and contraception has caused more harm then good. I also believe that women should be ordained and get this....I don't believe in Confession (to a priest). Never did. I've never confessed. I didn't even do Confession before First Communion. The priests, nuns and deacons all know this about me. I'm not gonna make bishop anytime soon. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 27 04:11:10 2011, in response to Re: Dand124 Asks Chris GP38 the Same Question #8, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 27 00:26:41 2011. You fail logic forever.Nope. You made a point about condom use and Catholic influence. You committed the logical fallacy of denying the antecedent. You assumed that the opposite of the antecedent also implies an opposite consequent. Well, not at the same rate as Africans and gays, but middle-aged people are being warned about their old ways and being told to put on a raincoat because of an increase in AIDS cases in middle aged women. The argument was exclusively about AIDS in Africa. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 27 04:15:36 2011, in response to Re: Dand124 Asks Chris GP38 the Same Question #8, posted by SMAZ on Wed Apr 27 02:55:53 2011. Some people prefer mindless ceremony to actual meaning. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 27 04:36:51 2011, in response to Re: Dand124 Asks Chris GP38 the Same Question #8, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 27 04:11:10 2011. You mistakenly accused the Catholic church of exacerbating the spread of AIDS in Africa. No one believes that they do.You said that condom use is diminished where the Church has influence. This implies that if not for the influence of the Church, that more people would use rubbers. No one believes that. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 27 04:56:15 2011, in response to Re: Dand124 Asks Chris GP38 the Same Question #8, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 27 04:36:51 2011. You mistakenly accused the Catholic church of exacerbating the spread of AIDS in Africa.Even if I were mistaken, how does that justify your fallacious reasoning in denying the precedent? But you've never bothered to point out HOW I'm mistaken. No one believes that they do. So you believe that I'm just posting that and that I don't actually believe it? That contradicts your previous posts. And anyway, even if you meant no one but me, just one person contradicts that, and here is one person: http://www.condoms4life.org/facts/lesserEvil.htm. I haven't read that yet, but will. You said that condom use is diminished where the Church has influence. There is no question about that. This implies that if not for the influence of the Church, that more people would use rubbers. No one believes that. See above. Why do you believe that on this issue people will UNIVERSALLY ignore the Church but they should pay attention to them otherwise? Why do you feel that the religion should be completely meaningless? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 27 05:11:48 2011, in response to Re: Dand124 Asks Chris GP38 the Same Question #8, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 27 04:56:15 2011. Yeah. I'll read it too. LOL @ "When priests preach against contraception". I have never ever heard a sermon where a priest brought up contraception.Why do you believe that on this issue people will UNIVERSALLY ignore the Church but they should pay attention to them otherwise? I'll clue you in. We're talking about getting laid. I can't imagine too many people deciding not to use a rubber because of the church. If someone wants to have sex and avoid disease and/or unwanted pregnancy, they'll wear the rubber even if they go to church weekly. Pope Benedict did say that condoms are acceptable to stop the spread of AIDS. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Apr 27 05:56:01 2011, in response to Re: Dand124 Asks Chris GP38 the Same Question #8, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 27 04:36:51 2011. yes they exacerbated it by not publicly calling for condom use.The influence that the Church would have had in promoting such a thing would have saved lives and last I heard, the Church is supposed to promote the sanctity of Life and they failed at that with regard to AIDS. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 27 05:57:56 2011, in response to Re: Dand124 Asks Chris GP38 the Same Question #8, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 27 05:11:48 2011. Yeah. I'll read it too. LOL @ "When priests preach against contraception". I have never ever heard a sermon where a priest brought up contraception.Then how is it common knowledge that the Catholic Church frowns upon contraception? How was this promulgated? I'll clue you in. We're talking about getting laid. I can't imagine too many people deciding not to use a rubber because of the church. If someone wants to have sex and avoid disease and/or unwanted pregnancy, they'll wear the rubber even if they go to church weekly. Churches give people life advice. It's part of what makes religion good. If it weren't for their policy on contraception, then priests might be able to encourage people to use it. Pope Benedict did say that condoms are acceptable to stop the spread of AIDS. OK, that's good. Now. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 27 05:58:14 2011, in response to Re: Dand124 Asks Chris GP38 the Same Question #8, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 27 04:56:15 2011. Why do you believe that on this issue people will UNIVERSALLY ignore the Church but they should pay attention to them otherwiseBecause "this issue" is sex. It's a lot easier to get people to give up meat on Friday than it is to tell them what to do in the bedroom. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 27 06:03:09 2011, in response to Re: Dand124 Asks Chris GP38 the Same Question #8, posted by SMAZ on Wed Apr 27 05:56:01 2011. Has any major religion publicly called for condom use? Why should the Catholic church be held to a higher standard?Benedict did say that condom use is ok if it prevents spread of disease. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 27 06:03:09 2011, in response to Re: Dand124 Asks Chris GP38 the Same Question #8, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 27 05:58:14 2011. If they told people to use condoms, people would listen. Not everyone, but still. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 27 06:07:50 2011, in response to Re: Dand124 Asks Chris GP38 the Same Question #8, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 27 05:57:56 2011. Then how is it common knowledge that the Catholic Church frowns upon contraception?Because Catholic bashers are obsessed with the Church and make it known that the church is anti-contraception. Same way Obama haters dig up Lola Soetoro, school registration showing Obama as a Muslim student, Rev Wright, or combing through his books, Catholic bashers are vocal about the Church's stance on contraception, and get the word out more than the Church itself. What major religion really promotes contraception? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 27 06:09:17 2011, in response to Re: Dand124 Asks Chris GP38 the Same Question #8, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 27 06:03:09 2011. The Catholic Church has centralized leadership. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 27 06:09:30 2011, in response to Re: Dand124 Asks Chris GP38 the Same Question #8, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 27 06:03:09 2011. What major religion is aggressively promoting contraception? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 27 06:10:45 2011, in response to Re: Dand124 Asks Chris GP38 the Same Question #8, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 27 06:09:17 2011. So that excuses Judaism and Protestants and other major religions? LOL. Ok. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 27 06:27:44 2011, in response to Re: Dand124 Asks Chris GP38 the Same Question #8, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 27 06:10:45 2011. Yes, it does. Not all of them (e.g. Mormons), but I doubt that many of them have a lot of adherents in Africa. What's the deal with the Anglican Church? |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Apr 27 06:29:02 2011, in response to Re: Dand124 Asks Chris GP38 the Same Question #8, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 26 21:41:14 2011. Only four??? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 27 06:51:42 2011, in response to Re: Dand124 Asks Chris GP38 the Same Question #8, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 27 06:27:44 2011. AfricaBecause we all know that AIDS in Africa is the most important cause in the world. No other religion has a responsibility to promote the use of condoms. Only the Catholic church does, and with a special focus on Africa. F*ck the rest of the world and all other religions get a waiver. Now I get it. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Wed Apr 27 08:24:16 2011, in response to Re: Obama's thugs raid mans house because he didn't password protect his Wi-Fi router, posted by Dand124 on Mon Apr 25 00:16:34 2011. Theres your problem.... New York Post |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 27 10:31:47 2011, in response to Re: Dand124 Asks Chris GP38 the Same Question #8, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 27 06:51:42 2011. Because we all know that AIDS in Africa is the most important cause in the world.Something not being "the most important cause" does not automatically make it unworthy of consideration. You're guilty of another fallacy. No other religion has a responsibility to promote the use of condoms. They all do, but only in the case of the Catholic Church is it the responsibility of a single individual. Now I get it. No, you don't. You almost never do, and this is not one of those times. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Apr 27 10:35:34 2011, in response to Re: Obama's thugs raid mans house because he didn't password protect his Wi-Fi router, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sun Apr 24 22:19:18 2011. And if he responds at all to this revelation that he was wrong, it most likely won't be unless/until I respond saying so. Just shows his hypocrisy, to go along with his stupidity. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Apr 27 13:32:45 2011, in response to Re: Dand124 Asks Chris GP38 the Same Question #8, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 27 06:03:09 2011. Why should the Catholic church be held to a higher standard?Because on issues of life, it holds itself to a higher standard. Also as Spider-Pig said, the Catholic Church has a centralized hierarchy with a clear leader and with influence over more than a billion people. They are much more important than any other denomination. Even non-Catholics pay attention when the Pope or high ranking Vatican officials say something. The Church has deliberately chosen to protect the life of Timmy The Spermatozoa over that of Mary the Grown Woman even though everyone knows that Timmy will KILL her. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Apr 27 13:39:55 2011, in response to Re: Dand124 Asks Chris GP38 the Same Question #8, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 27 06:09:30 2011. What major religion is aggressively DISCOURAGING contraception in the face of mass death of a biblical scale?Not even Islam AFAIK. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Apr 27 13:42:48 2011, in response to Re: Dand124 Asks Chris GP38 the Same Question #8, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 27 05:11:48 2011. Pope Benedict did say that condoms are acceptable to stop the spread of AIDS.Only with regard to homosexual sex since they cannot reproduce and where Timmy The Spermatozoa is gonna die anyway. He never revised his position regarding heterosexual sex. That's irresponsible and borderline genocidal. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 27 15:48:41 2011, in response to Re: Dand124 Asks Chris GP38 the Same Question #8, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 27 10:31:47 2011. Something not being "the most important cause" does not automatically make it unworthy of consideration. You're guilty of another fallacy.Yup. Here's how it works: When the Church can be smeared and mocked, it's "worthy", like AIDS in Africa. When the Church can't be blamed, it's "not the responsibility of a single individual". It's laughable to suggest that the Catholic Church should promote contraception and other religions are not expected to. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Apr 27 16:05:54 2011, in response to Re: Dand124 Asks Chris GP38 the Same Question #8, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 27 15:48:41 2011. It's laughable to suggest that the Catholic Church should promote contraception and other religions are not expected to.I think very few people object to the fact that the Church doesn't promote contraception. They object to the fact that the Church strongly emphasizes that you put your immortal soul in peril if you use contraception, even though the alternative (not using contraception) puts the health and lives of your wife and children in peril. One of Jesus's strongest staements (and many people say don't take it too literally) is "If your hand offends you cut it off. Better to go through life with one hand than to spend eternity in Gehenna." But even Jesus at his most extreme doesn't say "If your wife's hand offends you, cut it off." |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 27 16:19:19 2011, in response to Re: Dand124 Asks Chris GP38 the Same Question #8, posted by SMAZ on Wed Apr 27 13:32:45 2011. Because on issues of life, it holds itself to a higher standard.Also as Spider-Pig said, the Catholic Church has a centralized hierarchy with a clear leader and with influence over more than a billion people. They are much more important than any other denomination. They are important to people who are Catholic. To others, not so much. So what if the Church has a "centralized hierarchy"? Is this to say that all other religions are a bunch of loosely-knit non-influential religions? It's silly to say that the Church should promote contraception while all other religions get a waiver and don't have to say a word. Even non-Catholics pay attention when the Pope or high ranking Vatican officials say something. Usually they pay attention to find something to mock, like the Church's stance on contraception. It's not like they are paying attention for spiritual guidance. If not for Catholic-bashing, I wouldn't even know the Church's stance on contraception. |
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