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Posted by BMTLines on Tue Apr 27 23:41:41 2010, in response to Re: Violent Arizona Protests, posted by Easy on Tue Apr 27 23:35:14 2010. The idea is to choke off demand for that kind of labor. The presumption should be that day laborers and their employers do not pay proper taxes. So even if the Arizona law fails in court, this provision should be enacted on its own right. |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Apr 27 23:41:49 2010, in response to Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests, posted by Easy on Tue Apr 27 23:39:09 2010. Yes...this law may have slightly delayed my re-location to Arizona. I am trying to wait for some of this hysteria to die down. |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Apr 27 23:42:40 2010, in response to Re: Violent Arizona Protests, posted by BMTLines on Tue Apr 27 23:41:41 2010. I don't see anything inherently unconstitutional about this provision. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Apr 27 23:42:43 2010, in response to Re: Violent Arizona Protests, posted by BMTLines on Tue Apr 27 23:41:41 2010. I know, but they added the day labor hiring language to an anti-illegal immigration law. It's not about "taxes". |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 27 23:42:48 2010, in response to Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Apr 27 23:40:37 2010. You think? based on what? Just a feeling? |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Apr 27 23:44:43 2010, in response to Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Apr 27 23:41:49 2010. Now might be a good time to be in Arizona. If you feel strongly one way or the other you can make a difference. Plus people are talking about it which is good. Maybe it's too emotional for reasonable discussion right now, but I don't see that changing anytime soon. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 27 23:45:55 2010, in response to Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Apr 27 23:32:17 2010. Amusing bit at the end of the local news ... they hit up a mall over in Bruno county, and a couple that was planning on vacationing in Phoenix (?!) decided to go to Colorado instead because they were concerned about being detained because they don't have passports. Reporter asked them where they heard that. Rush Limbaugh. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 27 23:46:59 2010, in response to Re: Violent Arizona Protests, posted by Easy on Tue Apr 27 23:36:22 2010. I'll call them out as illegals ... I'll bet the parking meter expired. :) |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Apr 27 23:49:16 2010, in response to Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests, posted by Easy on Tue Apr 27 23:44:43 2010. I will be back in Arizona by May 22. I'll be returning to Maricopa County (where I am still to this day registered to vote but haven't lived in since August of 2003).Hopefully, I will be able to return to Pima County eventually (which is more in line with my political beliefs). |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Apr 27 23:49:31 2010, in response to Re: Violent Arizona Protests, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Apr 27 23:42:40 2010. I dunno. Blocking the street to go buy donuts isn't a crime. Blocking the street to to put up garage sale signs isn't a crime. But blocking the street to hire someone looking for work is? How can they make a no standing law for only one activity? I don't know if it's unconstitutional, but it certainly is arbitrary. They're concerned about only one particular type of traffic congestion. |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Apr 27 23:51:03 2010, in response to Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 27 23:45:55 2010. For a state that depends on tourism...this is a bad move by the state of Arizona.Also, people will call me crazy or a sensationalist, but I don't think that the 2011 MLB All Star game will be played in Arizona. It's scheduled to be there, but I believe that the MLB will likely choose a different venue, especially if the bill goes to a referendum and passes. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Apr 27 23:51:46 2010, in response to Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Apr 27 23:49:16 2010. You love Arizona, so good wishes to you. I've never been to Tucson. I should make that a priority on my next trip to Phoenix. |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Apr 27 23:54:08 2010, in response to Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests, posted by Easy on Tue Apr 27 23:51:46 2010. Tucson is a place that you either love or hate. I love it, a lot of people hate it. There really isn't middle ground.It's a dirtier, more liberal, higher altitude, slightly cooler, slightly more Mexican, smaller version of Phoenix. Tucson has a lot of character to it. However, it's also one of the biggest small towns out there. It's city council would also give the SF Board of Supervisors a run for their money as far as whacko Democrats go. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 27 23:54:14 2010, in response to Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Apr 27 23:39:44 2010. That's what I don't get about the nonsense wrapped around an otherwise useful law - a good amount of it is sensible and yet they had to go "extra crunchy" with the lunatic litmus ... hell, they've even managed to take the teabaggers off the air. Heh.And yeah, talk about biting your own ass. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 27 23:55:22 2010, in response to Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Apr 27 22:55:37 2010. If the Republicans are shooting themselves in the foot then why are the prominent ultra-liberals here (except for the ringding) locked away in the bunker - incommunicado? |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Apr 27 23:55:54 2010, in response to Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 27 23:54:14 2010. Plus, they've just cause the Democrats to pump a lot of money into the US Senate race in Arizona. The Democrats usually threw out a dud candidate against John McCain. I don't believe that'll be the case this year. |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Apr 27 23:56:32 2010, in response to Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests, posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 27 23:55:22 2010. Huh? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 27 23:57:12 2010, in response to Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Apr 27 23:51:03 2010. And in an election year too. Heh. Yeah, this smells like it'll be going for AZ the same way the MLK fiasco did, and for the same reasons. Those who fail to learn from history become republicans. :) |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Apr 27 23:57:29 2010, in response to Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 27 22:56:24 2010. By identifying the problem, and then doing nothing to go after it. |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Wed Apr 28 00:00:01 2010, in response to Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 27 23:57:12 2010. And like the MLK fiasco, this will eventually be defeated. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 28 00:12:23 2010, in response to Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Apr 27 23:56:32 2010. Don't mind him ... when he was really little, the Mohel snipped the wrong protrusion. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 28 00:13:38 2010, in response to Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Wed Apr 28 00:00:01 2010. I don't see how it can stand in court as written. But for now, the cheap histrionics are more entertaining than spell-checking the teabaggers. :) |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Wed Apr 28 00:19:40 2010, in response to Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 28 00:13:38 2010. You do realize that I am actually less liberal than I post on this board, right? Hence why I call myself a "liberal libertarian"I just think that the right wingers here are a little too "wing nutty" for my tastes, so I try to balance it a little. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 28 00:51:01 2010, in response to Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Wed Apr 28 00:19:40 2010. Heh. Both me and the wife have been putting on a show here for quite a while as well. When ya live out in farm land, one already knows that all the liberals got eaten by bears in the 60's. :)I guess I'm closer to libertarian myself more than any of the other organized religions, but truth be told, I'm an unabashed pragmatist. Politically, I believe in whatever actually WORKS rather than the philosophies behind it. To sum it up more gracefully, "if it works, keep plugging along - if it doesn't work, STOP!" Haven't found a party yet that agrees with those principles and so I remain "unregistered." But for now, the republicans are completely batshit crazy, and democrats aren't far behind. Sure would like to see something else ... |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Wed Apr 28 00:52:18 2010, in response to Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 28 00:51:01 2010. I'm pretty much in agreement with you. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 28 00:53:43 2010, in response to Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Wed Apr 28 00:52:18 2010. My sympathies. It's lonely out here. :) |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Wed Apr 28 00:54:23 2010, in response to Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 28 00:53:43 2010. LOL! |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Wed Apr 28 00:55:15 2010, in response to Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 28 00:53:43 2010. Actually, there are more people that share our sympathies than you think. Problem is many of us believe that anything is futile. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 28 00:59:46 2010, in response to Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Wed Apr 28 00:55:15 2010. Nah ... futility is not an option - ridicule is! Heh. My background is the worst of all philosophical possibilities - I was trained in engineering and journalism, with my bigger passion in engineering. But I ended up in broadcasting where I was able to do both, forever vexing my supervision over which side of the camera I wanted to work on. BOTH!But engineers really piss off political people - we don't care what your campaign ads say, if you hire us up to work for you, we're going to figure out what's broken, order up parts, take a wrench to it and make that bastard fly ... among engineers, it's a known truth that pigs really *CAN* fly ... provided that you supply sufficient thrust. But we'll also warn you that you don't want to be underneath one as it flies overhead and once we've warned you, we sit back and watch as you ignore our warning with glee. My favorite politician is Tippi Turtle. :) |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 28 02:27:17 2010, in response to Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests, posted by Easy on Tue Apr 27 23:27:34 2010. stop race baiting. enforing immigration laws is not racist. that's something Selbong would say. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 28 02:42:53 2010, in response to Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Apr 27 23:55:54 2010. ? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Apr 28 03:51:20 2010, in response to Violent Arizona Protests, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 26 20:44:21 2010. how nice...I expected better of you... |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Apr 28 03:55:27 2010, in response to Re: Violent Arizona Protests, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 26 20:53:20 2010. So ..if a MODERATE,such as myself,disagrees with YOU and this PROFILE LAW? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 28 03:59:04 2010, in response to Re: Violent Arizona Protests, posted by Easy on Tue Apr 27 23:35:14 2010. Yes. The illegal population is shrinking. The governor of Sonora, Mexico has stated on several occasions that they don't know what to do with all the Mexicans who have returned.Heck, when Regional Mexican radio is beat by Country in LA, you know there's a problem. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 28 03:59:47 2010, in response to Re: Violent Arizona Protests, posted by Edwards! on Wed Apr 28 03:55:27 2010. I love this law, if it allows police to go after criminals. What's wrong with going after criminals? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Apr 28 04:02:59 2010, in response to Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 28 00:51:01 2010. THE REPUKES are toast right now...their madness shows..just listen to the rants of the so called "independents" around here.. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 28 04:19:58 2010, in response to Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests, posted by Edwards! on Wed Apr 28 04:02:59 2010. Wanna get together and do a senate coup? Heh. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Apr 28 04:41:26 2010, in response to Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona protests, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 27 16:25:38 2010. >>>And don't be a hypocrite by pointing out the foul language of others. <<<True, after all, that's your job around here. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Apr 28 07:45:46 2010, in response to Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism., posted by Easy on Tue Apr 27 22:30:39 2010. "I'm guessing that the massive emotional response to this law will mean that it will be repealed shortly, but assuming that it were not police departments would have to enforce the law and not profile. It seems like a fairly easy thing to do. It's something that many police departments (mostly in cooperation with ICE) are already doing."Are we living in a perfect world? eh? Look at all the people that are sent to prison, guilty of no crime, stuck in prison for YEARS...only to be freed because now their lawyers are able to request a review of their sentences and finally to prove their Innocence through DNA results and then the state is FORCED to pay for WRONGFUL IMPRISONMENT...what then......? eh? Ever hear of the Innocence Project? eh? |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Apr 28 07:46:15 2010, in response to Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism., posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 27 22:15:27 2010. IAWTP |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Apr 28 07:49:09 2010, in response to Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 27 22:14:58 2010. So you are OK....with a cop stopping YOU on the street asking you to produce "papers of citizen..." right? Remember...just because you don't have foreign accent from down South doesn't mean nutin....you could be from Canada for all they know...right? eh? lol |
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Posted by R Pansepcc on Wed Apr 28 08:09:02 2010, in response to Re: Violent Arizona Protests, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 27 18:44:15 2010. Neither does last year's World Series MVP. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Apr 28 08:44:27 2010, in response to Re: Opening the borders is not the solution, posted by Easy on Tue Apr 27 21:39:04 2010. People are outraged without any idea of what they are outraged about.Wow. The left wing radio caller are getting as bad as the right wing ones. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Apr 28 08:52:01 2010, in response to Re: Violent Arizona Protests, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 27 18:44:15 2010. For real? so how do you and Luchie talk on the golf course? or for that matter ....at mini-golf....lol |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Apr 28 08:52:11 2010, in response to Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism., posted by Easy on Tue Apr 27 22:30:39 2010. I'm guessing that the massive emotional response to this law will mean that it will be repealed shortly, but assuming that it were not police departments would have to enforce the law and not profile. It seems like a fairly easy thing to do. It's something that many police departments (mostly in cooperation with ICE) are already doing.Why do you think the law will be repealed? Is there any evidence that the majority of Arizonans oppose it? I do suspect that most police departments won't go crazy trying to enforce it. First of all, does hanging around Home Depot speaking Spanish constitute reasonable suspicion of illegal presence in the US? Probably not, given that many poor residents work as day laborers too because they can't get ongoing construction jobs. So if you decide you can't detain anyone just for being at Home Depot, what kind of activity actually generates a reasonable suspicion, other than someone carrying a sign saying "I am an illegal alien"? |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Apr 28 08:53:27 2010, in response to Re: Violent Arizona Protests, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 27 18:44:15 2010. Now is that a racist remark? cause if it is.....then maybe you'll get labeled a racist by the ole troll....Olog-hai...lol |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Apr 28 08:59:02 2010, in response to Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism., posted by AlM on Wed Apr 28 08:52:11 2010. "So if you decide you can't detain anyone just for being at Home Depot, what kind of activity actually generates a reasonable suspicion, other than someone carrying a sign saying "I am an illegal alien"?"Maybe the cops should focus on these "aliens" instead:  |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Apr 28 09:06:17 2010, in response to Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism., posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Apr 28 08:59:02 2010. meg wyley with her boobs taped down....LOL |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Apr 28 09:35:48 2010, in response to Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism., posted by AlM on Wed Apr 28 08:52:11 2010. And here's a prominent left-wing radical saying exactly the same thing:“It’s difficult for me to imagine how you’re going to enforce this law. It places a significant burden on local law enforcement and you have civil liberties issues that are significant as well.” http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/28/us/politics/28immig.html?hp Hint: he's related to a former president, and his name isn't Clinton. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Apr 28 09:40:58 2010, in response to Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism., posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Apr 28 07:45:46 2010. The world isn't perfect. Arizona isn't perfect. I'm not perfect. You're not perfect. Can you stop now with the silliness? |
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