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Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Apr 28 15:12:40 2010, in response to Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism., posted by Easy on Wed Apr 28 15:09:37 2010. I would also assume that since trespassing has been made a crime that anyone suspected of being illegal can be held until they either prove their innocence, post bail, or have an arraignment.The more I think about it, the trespassing part of the law really bothers me. I have no problem with the rest of it. I think that the many problems with the trespassing provision will get this law invalidated. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 28 15:14:16 2010, in response to Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism., posted by Easy on Wed Apr 28 11:01:24 2010. Excellent post. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 28 15:14:58 2010, in response to Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism., posted by Easy on Wed Apr 28 14:56:02 2010. Not true. It's totally reasonable to stop someone based on appearance. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 28 15:16:01 2010, in response to Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism., posted by Easy on Wed Apr 28 12:38:27 2010. You only figured that out today? I figured that out months ago. I sometimes slip though, and wrongfully respond. |
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Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Apr 28 15:16:05 2010, in response to Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 28 14:46:49 2010. "We're asking that our laws be enforced, and the illegal immigration issue be addressed, not ignored. "Hmmm...so then lets see now....what percentage of Queens residents would then be DEPORTED if such a law came to NYC? eh? |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Apr 28 15:16:17 2010, in response to Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism., posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Apr 28 14:58:19 2010. Do you think I am incorrect? |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Apr 28 15:17:40 2010, in response to Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism., posted by Easy on Wed Apr 28 15:12:40 2010. The Times claims the trespassing portion wasn't in the final law.Does anyone actually know what the law says? |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Apr 28 15:21:17 2010, in response to Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism., posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 28 15:14:58 2010. We disagree and I think that the DOJ sides with me. |
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Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Apr 28 15:21:38 2010, in response to Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 28 14:30:04 2010. No, the poll is accurate. It's 64%, actually, which is about 2/3."Fifty five percent (55%) say they favor 'authorizing local police to stop and check the immigration status of anyone they suspect of being in the country illegally.' That’s down from 70% two weeks ago." |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Apr 28 15:22:17 2010, in response to Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests, posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 27 23:42:48 2010. You think? based on what? Just a feeling?Based on more recent polls than the one you're thinking about. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Apr 28 15:23:24 2010, in response to Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism., posted by AlM on Wed Apr 28 15:17:40 2010. Yes. I read the law a few days ago when Phxtusbusfan gave the web address. I have tried to encourage people to read it for themselves, but people would rather respond with emotion than facts.Here's a link to the law. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Apr 28 15:25:14 2010, in response to Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism., posted by AlM on Wed Apr 28 15:17:40 2010. I think that it is. It's in the version that comes up when you google state bill 1070. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 28 15:25:40 2010, in response to Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism., posted by Easy on Wed Apr 28 15:21:17 2010. Well, yeah, but it makes sense to stop people based on appearance, even though it's not politically correct.The fact that the DOJ agrees with you explains why there is so much crime in inner-cities. |
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Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 28 15:27:10 2010, in response to Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Apr 28 15:22:17 2010. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 28 15:28:53 2010, in response to Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism., posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Apr 28 13:23:32 2010. better carry proper in AZ! or else....More leftist hysteria and propaganda |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 28 15:28:53 2010, in response to Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism., posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Apr 28 13:23:32 2010. better carry proper in AZ! or else....More leftist hysteria and propaganda |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 28 15:29:44 2010, in response to Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 28 15:28:53 2010. Yup. And they all bring up Germany too. "Berlin Wall", "nazis", etc.... |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Apr 28 15:30:51 2010, in response to Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism., posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 28 15:25:40 2010. I never understood when NY'ers complain about profiling in minority neighborhoods. In south LA nearly everyone is a minority. I don't see how the police can profile minorities when everyone is a minority. I can see profiling in Torrance or one of the beach cities, but I don't see how there can be profiling in inner cities (as inner city is obviously code for black). |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Apr 28 15:31:44 2010, in response to Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism., posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 28 15:29:44 2010. Yet no one is calling subchatters that support this law "racist". That's refreshing. |
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Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Apr 28 15:32:13 2010, in response to Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests, posted by Easy on Wed Apr 28 14:54:14 2010. " I can only assume that the people that think that police would make unreasonable stops when the law says reasonable are operating under the same assumption."The REAL issue.....is how the hell does the POLICE decide WHO gets picked for these "stops." do we all assume they are now just targeting ALL Hispanics within AZ? Do they stop all legal Hispanics on the street? What about Hispanics that have been living in AZ for generations...what then? |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Apr 28 15:33:41 2010, in response to Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests, posted by Easy on Wed Apr 28 14:57:35 2010. "That's all? You forgot to add the fact that people coming here legally are required to give a kidney to a rich white American so that he can make a wallet. "I see you took your silliness to work today.... |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Apr 28 15:36:52 2010, in response to Re: Violent Arizona Protests, posted by bmtlines on Wed Apr 28 10:26:48 2010. IAWTP except that #3 is unconstitutional and impossible to enforce.#1-2-4 need to be done. eVerify must be made mandatory on all employers. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Apr 28 15:37:09 2010, in response to Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 28 15:02:17 2010. "In fact, most people on this site believe that there is no such thing as illegal immigration, because all humans are legal."Really? you really know what we are thinking? eh? Are you a telepath?  |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 28 15:38:40 2010, in response to Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism., posted by Easy on Wed Apr 28 15:30:51 2010. inner-city is black and vato looking hispanic too. dark hispanic with bandana, baggy pants, and heavy jewelry.Whites are always profiled. Cops looking for a DWI will stalk a club on Bell Blvd or RT 110 for an easy mark. |
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Re: Opening the borders is not the solution |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Apr 28 15:44:41 2010, in response to Re: Opening the borders is not the solution, posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 27 23:37:06 2010. I don't have a Green Card and I don't carry my passport or birth certificate around with me. Do you? |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Apr 28 15:59:19 2010, in response to Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism., posted by Easy on Wed Apr 28 15:21:17 2010. Even Justice Scalia agrees with you. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Apr 28 16:07:44 2010, in response to Re: Opening the borders is not the solution, posted by SMAZ on Wed Apr 28 15:44:41 2010. Why would he? |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Apr 28 16:56:16 2010, in response to Re: Opening the borders is not the solution, posted by Easy on Wed Apr 28 11:55:40 2010. I don't know if Canada requires it. The US requires it for when you come back in. Another Bush legacy. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 28 17:07:53 2010, in response to Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism., posted by Easy on Wed Apr 28 13:23:32 2010. And it should be a crime. If you are here "illegally" you have committed a crime, as it should be. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Apr 28 17:08:39 2010, in response to Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 28 13:04:51 2010. Why not? If you are jogging, it means you are running. If you are running it means you've got something to hide. That you cannot produce papers proving that you legally reside in the US would show that the cop's hint was correct. Off to jail you go. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Apr 28 17:09:49 2010, in response to Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism., posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 28 15:14:58 2010. "It's totally reasonable to stop someone based on appearance."OK....and these folks too? eh?  |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Apr 28 17:10:15 2010, in response to Re: Opening the borders is not the solution, posted by SMAZ on Wed Apr 28 11:53:11 2010. I doubt you can get into Canada any more without proof of US citizenship. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Apr 28 17:11:05 2010, in response to Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 28 17:07:53 2010. But isn't that part is up to the federal government to decide? Can states make their own immigration laws that exceed federal law? |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Apr 28 17:13:14 2010, in response to Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism., posted by SMAZ on Wed Apr 28 17:08:39 2010. That's totally unreasonable. The law even allows for police departments that don't implement the law in good faith to be sued by those that are improperly arrested. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Apr 28 17:13:31 2010, in response to Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism., posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 28 15:25:40 2010. "Well, yeah, but it makes sense to stop people based on appearance, even though it's not politically correct."and these people too?    
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Apr 28 17:13:38 2010, in response to Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism., posted by AlM on Wed Apr 28 14:37:30 2010. Does it apply to visitors too?What's a visitor? Who's a visitor? Visiting from where? Why? For how long? Staying where? With who? What papers prove so? |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Apr 28 17:15:54 2010, in response to Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism., posted by Easy on Wed Apr 28 15:09:37 2010. They can determine if someone is here legallyWrong. Only the federal government determines who is here legally, under what conditions and for how long and only the federal government can grant or deny entry. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Apr 28 17:17:07 2010, in response to Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism., posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 28 15:38:40 2010. "Cops looking for a DWI will stalk a club on Bell Blvd or RT 110 for an easy mark"You've been watching WAY TOO MUCH Adam-12!  oh ..and just so you know....they don't cruise around Bell Blvd...like you say they do....I should know ....I live there...duh! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 28 17:17:59 2010, in response to Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Apr 28 14:22:57 2010. Oh, so how exactly is it fair to put all the illegal people in front of the people that went through what they had to do to come here legally? It's an insult to every legal immigrant that did what they had to do. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Apr 28 17:21:04 2010, in response to Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism., posted by AlM on Wed Apr 28 15:59:19 2010. As does his immigrant Sicilian father from Woodside, Queens, NY. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Apr 28 17:22:18 2010, in response to Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 28 15:16:01 2010. "I figured that out months ago. I sometimes slip though, and wrongfully respond." |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 28 17:23:18 2010, in response to Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Apr 28 15:33:41 2010. No, it's a totally appropriate answer to absolute hysteria. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Apr 28 17:23:23 2010, in response to Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism., posted by AlM on Wed Apr 28 15:16:17 2010. oh YEA......you're "profiling." |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Apr 28 17:25:15 2010, in response to Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism., posted by Easy on Wed Apr 28 15:31:44 2010. Yet! |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Apr 28 17:25:46 2010, in response to Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism., posted by Easy on Wed Apr 28 17:13:14 2010. A cop stopping somebody who is running is a stop made in good faith. There is ample judicial precedent holding that running is enough for an officer to have probable cause. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Apr 28 17:26:56 2010, in response to Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 28 15:28:53 2010. "More leftist hysteria and propaganda"Ya think so? eh? is it not true that New Yorkers driving through the South are more likely to be stopped by local Southern cops just because they have NY plate? eh? |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Apr 28 17:27:01 2010, in response to Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism., posted by SMAZ on Wed Apr 28 17:15:54 2010. lol. You're arguing semantics. Fine. They can make a reasonable determination as to whether someone is here legally, but any absolute determination would be made by the federal government. Of course having made a reasonable determination that someone is here legally the federal government would not be involved. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Apr 28 17:27:43 2010, in response to Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Apr 28 15:33:41 2010. Obviously I'm off today moron. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Apr 28 17:29:19 2010, in response to Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism., posted by SMAZ on Wed Apr 28 17:25:46 2010. Exactly..... |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 28 17:30:47 2010, in response to Re: Opening the borders is not the solution, posted by Easy on Tue Apr 27 17:26:59 2010. BEST...RESPONSE...EVER! |
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