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Posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 6 08:39:17 2009, in response to Re: Sotomayor 84 times she used race/gender Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 5 21:31:44 2009. Yeah "this death threat stuff" is just some bullshit but some perceived racial comments should get page one. The guy threatened our President, too. Jeez, where do you guys come from?your pal, Fred |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jun 6 08:51:00 2009, in response to Re: Sotomayor 84 times she used race/gender Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 6 08:39:17 2009. I'm looking for balance in media coverage. msm will go all out in one direction.Like they're doing with the abort doctor killer. DOJ and MSM can't wait to link this guy to some pro-life group. At the same time, they've already dropped the ball in the soldier shooter case in Little Rock, saying Carlos Bledsoe acted alone. Shouldn't the DOJ launch an investigation into Bledsoe, just like they're doing to the abort doc shooter? Since Bledsoe is a Muslim convert, the msm will be very sensitive in it's coverage, while going all out against the "Christian right wing". |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jun 6 09:35:25 2009, in response to Re: Sotomayor 84 times she used race/gender Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 6 08:14:40 2009. She had 12 years to make a boob out of herself with comments. That was 1997. This is 2009. Or is Clinton still president? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jun 6 09:49:28 2009, in response to Re: Sotomayor 84 times she used race/gender Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jun 6 09:35:25 2009. In the end, Republicans will back down, and won't do anything to stop Sotomayor.Sounds like her job does not pay very well. She only has about $35,000 in the bank, and lives in a pricey condo. Probably has an expensive car too. Now, she'll be a multi-millionaire with Obama making her a superstar. Story Here |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 6 10:32:38 2009, in response to Re: Sotomayor 84 times she used race/gender Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jun 6 09:35:25 2009. Yeahbut it's basically the same language/statement and probably some of the same people that are attacking her now were there then, giving her a free pass. I don't feel that time washes away that kind of thing. You'll notice the right has backed away from making "racist" comments, quite possibly because they agree with what I'm saying.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 6 10:45:19 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Jun 1 12:28:38 2009. One of the ATMs at New Haven's Union Station features 6 or 7 languages, which I believe are English, Spanish, Portuguese, Polish, a coupla Asian ones and something else I don't recall.Simplest is Polish; there are 2 choices: "inski" and "outski" :D your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 6 16:24:06 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Dan Lawrence on Fri Jun 5 22:17:36 2009. I'm sorry. I didn't make my sarcasm clear. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jun 6 17:55:51 2009, in response to Re: Sotomayor 84 times she used race/gender Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 6 10:32:38 2009. Yeahbut it's basically the same language/statement and probably some of the same people that are attacking her now were there then, giving her a free pass. But AGAIN, 1997 was BEFORE she made many of these comments. Wasn't the "biggie" in 2001? How can you be blaming people for "not calling her" on her many racial comments, when most were many of them were made AFTER 1997? Again, she had 12 years to make a boob out of herself with some of these comments, and she made plenty of them in that time. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Jun 6 20:34:24 2009, in response to Re: Sotomayor 84 times she used race/gender Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jun 6 01:17:52 2009. What did I say that was desperate? You are an incoherent man. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Jun 6 20:35:24 2009, in response to Re: Sotomayor 84 times she used race/gender Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jun 6 04:57:43 2009. Back off. I really don't know what she said - no one has given me a direct quote. Put up or shut up. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Jun 6 20:39:05 2009, in response to Re: Sotomayor 84 times she used race/gender Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jun 6 04:59:13 2009. Did you ever hear of class discrimination? Chief Justice Roberts is a prime example of a rich guy with no feelings for the little guy.I used to think conservatives were populists. I've learned they're oligarchs in disguise. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Jun 6 20:40:33 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by SMAZ on Fri Jun 5 04:14:57 2009. Americus. That's where America got it name. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Jun 6 20:41:44 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 5 04:55:00 2009. What do you know about Italians? You insisted the other day you were American. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Jun 6 20:45:51 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 4 07:38:50 2009. "Dutchlish" - LOL. My relatives used real Italian at first when they came over but gradually "Italglish" started to take over - hybrids of Italian and English words. I could write a whole dictionary with those words. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Jun 6 20:47:50 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by SMAZ on Tue Jun 2 03:27:57 2009. I grew up in Astoria too and I agree that having diverse neighbors forced my parents to learn English faster and better. TV and the Daily News helped too. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jun 7 02:40:03 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by italianstallion on Sat Jun 6 20:45:51 2009. my favorite was my grandmother refering to "la washin mashina". |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jun 7 02:43:16 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by italianstallion on Sat Jun 6 20:45:51 2009. I could write a whole dictionary with those wordsI'll be happy if you can present us with two or three of those words. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jun 7 07:20:01 2009, in response to Re: Sotomayor 84 times she used race/gender Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by italianstallion on Sat Jun 6 20:35:24 2009. Of course, when backed in a corner, get nasty. It's okay, I understand when you lost an argument. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jun 7 07:47:33 2009, in response to Re: Sotomayor 84 times she used race/gender Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by italianstallion on Sat Jun 6 20:35:24 2009. If you don't know what she said, and responded as many times as you did, I feel even more sorry for you than I did before. |
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Posted by f179dj on Mon Jun 8 14:40:19 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by SMAZ on Fri Jun 5 04:14:57 2009. And some of the greatest operas would have been written by Joe Green; lol. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Jun 9 00:50:15 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by f179dj on Mon Jun 8 14:40:19 2009. Giuseppe Verdi was one mean SOB |
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Sotomayor en vivo! Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jul 14 16:34:24 2009, in response to What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Peter Rosa on Sat May 30 14:54:11 2009. Is anyone else watching? |
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NYFD Exam Biased Says Judge(Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?) |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 22 22:53:51 2009, in response to What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Peter Rosa on Sat May 30 14:54:11 2009. Story Here Thoughts? |
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Posted by d_mind on Wed Jul 22 22:55:25 2009, in response to NYFD Exam Biased Says Judge(Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?), posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 22 22:53:51 2009. I'm still unsure as to how a test can be biased. Did the test fold itself up and run away if the person taking it was black? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 22 23:03:38 2009, in response to Re: NYFD Exam Biased Says Judge(Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?), posted by d_mind on Wed Jul 22 22:55:25 2009. Wait until they set their sights on the airline industry, and get the courts to force the airlines to lower standards in the cockpit. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jul 23 13:49:29 2009, in response to NYFD Exam Biased Says Judge(Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?), posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 22 22:53:51 2009. Moronic judge. Expect appeal. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 23 13:54:40 2009, in response to Re: NYFD Exam Biased Says Judge(Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jul 23 13:49:29 2009. Exactly. Blame the test, when the test is not the real problem. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jul 23 14:05:50 2009, in response to NYFD Exam Biased Says Judge(Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?), posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 22 22:53:51 2009. The claim is that the "employment test is not adequately related to the job for which it tests".No idea if that's true or not. But it is a basis for invalidating the test if it is true. For example, you couldn't put calculus questions on a test for sanitation workers. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jul 23 14:13:33 2009, in response to Re: NYFD Exam Biased Says Judge(Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?), posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 23 13:54:40 2009. The Supreme Court has ruled that test results alone cannot be used to render a test as biased. I'm sure proponents of such a theory are carefully re-wording their legal definitions. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Jul 24 00:14:04 2009, in response to NYFD Exam Biased Says Judge(Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?), posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 22 22:53:51 2009. Thoughts?I will probably go on for some length, so be warned. As (likely) the only person here who has read and skimmed the 93-page opinion, available here, let me wade into this. I have also skimmed some pages of the firefighter exams posted by NYT here. While the first is probably a useless exercise for most, I do suggest reading the second. I don't know much about Judge Garaufis. I haven't heard praise or complaints. So there isn't much to say on that front. On to the case.... First, the case was brought by the United States, under the prior administration. The Vulcan Society 'intervened' as plaintiffs, so basically without dragging it out, think of them as plaintiffs too, although the case was brought by the US. Said Society is an association of Black FDNY officers. The US sued on behalf of Black and Hispanic firefighter candidates. Plaintiffs pleaded a disparate impact violation of title VII with a slight twist. They alleged that FDNY, DCAS, NYC, etc, knew about the disparate impact of the exams administered - the lawsuit concerns exams given 1999-2007 - for a very long time. Thus they alleged that the known disparate impact was exploited by defendants such that their continued reliance on such exams constituted intentional discrimination. Plaintiffs moved for summary judgment, which the court granted. The first big issue is causation. There 2 tests, and there was disparate impact. Did the test cause the disparate impact? The court relies on statistical significance, and drawing a causal inference therefrom. I think that the court is mistaken in its causal inference; I don't dispute the statistics. Proving the causation is an element of plaintiffs' case. From what I see in the tests, they are going to correlate strongly with IQ. People like me who are idiot savants and score highly on such tests will do better than those who aren't. As it turns out - and it seems to me an open question, not that I've looked into it at length, as to why - IQ, i.e., test taking aptitude, and its distribution within racial populations doesn't turn out the same in every group - indeed there are large disparities. If it is these disparities cause disparate results on the exams, as I believe that they do, then I'm not sure how plaintiffs can prove causation. If DCAS had instead administered SAT tests, they would have ended up with similar disparity, which quite undermines the idea that it's something special about the exams actually administered by DCAS. Of course, the US can respond by saying that idiot savants who take such tests and score very well don't necessarily make good firefighters. And I can't speak for others, but yes, my IQ tells me to run away, not towards, the burning building. To be sure, NYC would never expressly make the argument that I've given, although they made it implicitly. But I think that its existence shows that plaintiffs can't succeed on their claim. However, I think that the court was correct to rule that defendants didn't make out their business necessity defense. Defendants conceded that what they rated as the two most important skills - oral comprehension and expression - why that isn't just one thing called 'oral communication' escapes me!, but anyway, those 'two' things couldn't be tested directly, since DCAS wasn't going to do thousands of interviews. Very problematically, some of defendants' experts who decided what the areas that would be tested should be, conceded basic confusion on the points, including one panelist who admitted that at that the time he likely couldn't define inductive reasoning. And it also came out that the test was only testing for about half the important skills, and as already mentioned, not the two most important ones. That said, it's my view that the business necessity defense ruling against defendants, while correct, was academic. I don't think that plaintiffs proved causation. Accordingly, their motion for summary judgment should have been denied. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 5 17:14:37 2010, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 1 20:41:09 2009. WARNING: Known necropost.The only benefit is protection from lawsuits. Yes, and why is that not a useful benefit? |
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