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Re: John White Found Guilty

Posted by Forest Glen on Tue Dec 25 00:36:34 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 24 19:27:17 2007.

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Keep telling yourself that lie. I would have accepted a line of "Things are better in 2007 than in 1967" but to deny that there is even a vestige of racism in this country shows your total disregard towards African-Americans. There are black professionals who meet the qualifications for jobs but don't get them for the obvious reasons. There are black CEO's that can't even hail a cab. There are those like myself that have been repeatedly followed in stores. I'm not Al Sharpton or Charles Barron. I'm not blaming all of black America's transgressions on racism. However, racism is definitely a contributing factor to the current state of black America. The comments made in this thread make me sick. The people who claim to be "liberals" are the same ones who would send a hardworking, decent man to jail. Other "liberals" justify the use of the disgusting n-word. The only good thing about this thread is that it allowed me to see the true personalities of the people at Subchat that I formerly considered to be friends.

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Re: John White Found Guilty

Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Dec 25 00:39:53 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 24 19:11:14 2007.

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It should be noted, however, that one of the jurors really wanted to get out that day---to save the next day for packing for a vacation.

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Re: John White Found Guilty

Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Dec 25 00:47:35 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by G1Ravage on Mon Dec 24 03:43:17 2007.

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That is a BIG difference legally. If they had entered the property, Mr. White could have had a case.

This means the kids were wholly in the right.

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Re: John White Found Guilty

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Dec 25 01:09:45 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Forest Glen on Tue Dec 25 00:36:34 2007.

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So many people, of all backgrounds face discrimination. People can be discriminated against for being overweight, old, having a New York/Brooklynese accent, the college the went to, etc.....You don't know how serious the Brooklyn accent issue can be.

I can promise you the black CEO of Time Warner Cable can hail a cab, even though he has his own limo.

Liberals suck. They are only interested in a cause that allows them to think for other people. You're average liberal who has taken the "black cause" does so to separate himself from the "other whites" that he does not want to be associated with. They're all about feeling important about themselves. These liberals come from the least diverse backgrounds in terms of schooling, the neighborhood they come from, and social networking. They always seem to live in the least diverse neighborhoods.

Blacks have been in this country since it was born, and have fought for America in every war we've been in. Discrimination has obviously hurt them. But the fights black leaders pick only hurt race relations. Making a race issue out of the proposed NBA dress code is a great example. Wasting energy on these issues distracts from issues that need to be addressed.

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Re: John White Jury Deliberation story

Posted by Grand concourse on Tue Dec 25 01:11:05 2007, in response to Re: John White Jury Deliberation story, posted by Forest Glen on Mon Dec 24 22:25:35 2007.

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proof?

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Re: John White Found Guilty

Posted by Grand concourse on Tue Dec 25 01:12:05 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Forest Glen on Mon Dec 24 22:28:13 2007.

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His gun still fired and killed the kid. 5 years would be the minimum.

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Re: John White Found Guilty

Posted by Grand concourse on Tue Dec 25 01:18:21 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Forest Glen on Sun Dec 23 13:36:48 2007.

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Still doesn't justify pulling out a gun unless he saw they had visible weapons. He should've called 9/11 first to report the kids outside his home. If they came into his house [in a threatening manner] then he may have been justified in using his gun as self defense.
How hard is it to see this? And what if the guy that shot the kid was white and the kid was black? What's your stance then? It seems you are the one making this a race thing.
Killing is killing no matter the color.

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Re: John White Found Guilty

Posted by Grand concourse on Tue Dec 25 01:20:47 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Forest Glen on Sun Dec 23 19:26:14 2007.

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Because he fired first and killed a kid when he should've exercised proper judgement and called the cops first to handle the situation.
He was in the safety of his home and can always lock the doors. It was not like he was in the middle of nowhere w/no way to go for safety.

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Re: John White Found Guilty

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 25 07:43:18 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Forest Glen on Tue Dec 25 00:36:34 2007.

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The only good thing about this thread is that it allowed me to see the true personalities of the people at Subchat that I formerly considered to be friends.

Please name these people. Thanks.

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Re: John White Found Guilty

Posted by aem7ac on Tue Dec 25 07:53:11 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 25 07:43:18 2007.

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Re: John White Found Guilty

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 25 09:19:24 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Dec 23 13:40:57 2007.

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Like you?

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Re: John White Found Guilty

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 25 09:21:21 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Forest Glen on Sun Dec 23 00:49:43 2007.

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That's a very racist post you made. There were a lot of other ways Mr. White could have handled this.

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Re: John White Found Guilty

Posted by AlM on Tue Dec 25 09:27:44 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Forest Glen on Tue Dec 25 00:36:34 2007.

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The people who claim to be "liberals" are the same ones who would send a hardworking, decent man to jail.

Just because someone is a "iberal" doesn't mean they are opposed to law enforcement.

John White allowed the discharge of a loaded illegal gun. That's worth 3-1/2 years in jail under New York law right there.



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Re: John White Found Guilty

Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Dec 25 10:20:43 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by R30A on Sun Dec 23 17:51:30 2007.

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That is true. Bullies never need a given excuse per se. They can use anything.

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Re: John White Found Guilty

Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Dec 25 10:22:55 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 24 19:27:17 2007.

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A nonsensical argument on your part. If you were living in Northern Ireland, you would be resentful, because you'd be frozen out of the job market by virtue of your ethnicity and religion.

And had you been living here in the US in the early 19th Century, you would have a much different experience than you have today.

You really have no clue, do you?

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Re: John White Found Guilty

Posted by aem7ac on Tue Dec 25 10:55:40 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Dec 25 10:22:55 2007.

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You're Smelly.

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Re: John White Found Guilty

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 25 11:19:19 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by aem7ac on Tue Dec 25 10:55:40 2007.

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No, he isn't. He's odious.

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Re: John White Jury Deliberation story

Posted by ntrainride on Tue Dec 25 11:35:51 2007, in response to Re: John White Jury Deliberation story, posted by Forest Glen on Mon Dec 24 22:25:35 2007.

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Ummm...I think the constant hurling of the "racist" accusation has rendered impotent the use of it as a "weapon to shame". Most people understand how it's a canard, brought up mostly to sell papers and garner viewers.

Next time some "white" person is attacked by a group of "black" people I'd love to see the media pronounce the "black" people involved as racists for once. `cause if you don't think "white" people have to experience being insulted and even attacked simply because of their skin color you don't know what you're talking about.

Of course "most" people of all persuasions don't get involved with the hate. But it's funny how I never read anything about stuff I've seen going on, groups of black kids cowardly harrassing white riders on trains, threatening them and making the person feel like his life is in danger. Never see any editorials denouncing this activity. Many times I've seen stuff going on, bunch of kids capering around some old white lady and I've walked over to the lady or old guy or whatever and just stood next to them. Sort of announcing to the punks that, well, what's up??

That's one of the things I liked about living in Bensonhurst. That anti-white racist shit didn't play along 18th Avenue. No sir.

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Re: John White Found Guilty

Posted by ntrainride on Tue Dec 25 11:43:13 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by italianstallion on Mon Dec 24 22:37:27 2007.

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Dude, that fact escapes the knuckleheads notice. And wtf is with this careless tossing of the derogatory terms for persons of Italian ancestry? Imagine if someone said of the black people involved, "They were acting like classic jigaboos..."? Once again, the Eye-talians are the ones everybody feels free to stereotype.

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Re: John White Found Guilty

Posted by Forest Glen on Tue Dec 25 11:52:22 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Grand concourse on Tue Dec 25 01:18:21 2007.

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During the majority of the police shooting scandals I backed the police (with the exception of Diallo and Bell). In case anyone forgot I'm a registered Republican. I'm the last person that should be considered left-wing. However, I'm still black. Right is right and wrong is wrong.

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Re: John White Found Guilty

Posted by Forest Glen on Tue Dec 25 11:53:43 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 25 07:43:18 2007.

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Chris's bigoted comments were predictable based on past behavior but Amanda, Train Dude, and metropod really disappointed me in this thread.

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Re: John White Found Guilty

Posted by ntrainride on Tue Dec 25 11:56:48 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Dec 25 01:09:45 2007.

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"These liberals come from the least diverse backgrounds in terms of schooling, the neighborhood they come from, and social networking. They always seem to live in the least diverse neighborhoods."

Good point. You just know those jamoches themselves don't live in "mixed" neighborhoods. Naw, like on L.I., they live in Great Neck or Syosset or Smithtown.

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Re: John White Found Guilty

Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Dec 25 11:58:14 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by AlM on Tue Dec 25 09:27:44 2007.

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However, punishment is determined by the statute AT THE TIME THE CRIME OCCURRED. (IINM, the law setting a mandatory 42-month sentence had been signed, but had not yet taken effect.)

Rappers Ja Rule and Lil' Wayne are expected to be the first high profile persons charged under the new law.

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Re: John White Found Guilty

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Dec 25 12:05:54 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by ntrainride on Tue Dec 25 11:56:48 2007.

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That's right. They're the ones who would love to rezone Forest Hills High School, or offer suggestions to bus kids in from wherever to Glendale or Maspeth.

But when it comes to their own neighborhoods, and when faced with the same issues, it's like getting between a mother bear and her cubs.

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Re: John White Found Guilty

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Dec 25 12:09:03 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Dec 25 11:58:14 2007.

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"Rappers Ja Rule and Lil' Wayne are expected to be the first high profile persons charged under the new law"

And you can bet they'll say race is the determining factor in their being "the first" to be charged under the new law.

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Re: John White Found Guilty

Posted by Forest Glen on Tue Dec 25 12:10:32 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Dec 25 12:09:03 2007.

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Since they're both thugs they deserve prison time.

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Re: John White Found Guilty

Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Dec 25 12:11:02 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Dec 25 12:09:03 2007.

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Actually, they are challenging the initial stop and search to get the evidence thrown out. The prosecutors do not have to offer ANY plea agreements...and if it isn't their gun, it has to be SOMEONE's...and if it isn't someone's in the entourage, then that could also get a charge of grand larceny.

In short, how now brown cow?

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Re: John White Found Guilty

Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Dec 25 12:12:43 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by aem7ac on Tue Dec 25 10:55:40 2007.

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"You're Smelly,"
You crawl on your belly,
Looking for your lost peanut butter and jelly;

You're Smelly,
Sit all day watching the "telly"
Paying no attention to sex-starved Kelly;

You're Smelly,
Take a shower before going to the Deli!
No date for you with Nelly!

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Re: Do you work for the public library?

Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Dec 25 12:17:44 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by ntrainride on Tue Dec 25 11:43:13 2007.

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Jgagliar: Do you work for the Suffolk Public Library?



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Re: John White Found Guilty

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Dec 25 12:18:36 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Forest Glen on Tue Dec 25 12:10:32 2007.

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I'm sure many blacks share that sentiment. But the media will only focus on those who say it's a race issue. It sells newspapers, and increases tv ratings.

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Re: John White Found Guilty

Posted by Amanda on Tue Dec 25 12:22:10 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Forest Glen on Tue Dec 25 11:53:43 2007.

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So now I'm a bigot? I would have had the same opinions had the skin colors been reversed.

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Re: John White Found Guilty

Posted by aem7ac on Tue Dec 25 12:28:57 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Forest Glen on Tue Dec 25 11:52:22 2007.

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During the majority of the police shooting scandals I backed the police. In case anyone forgot I'm a registered Republican. I'm the last person that should be considered left-wing.

That makes you an automatic wanker and a stupid tosser. Not only do you not know what is good for you, you're so idiotic as to parrot the opinions of those who seek to abuse and repress you and your people. If you have any sense, you would de-register as a Republican at once, especially after the whole Storm Thurmond incident. The only reason there are any black Republicans left is because they're ill educated and selfish bigots who have no concept of what it means to speak for a common cause.

The police? Pffffft.

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Re: Do you work for the public library?

Posted by ntrainride on Tue Dec 25 12:29:02 2007, in response to Re: Do you work for the public library?, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Dec 25 12:17:44 2007.

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nope.

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Re: John White Found Guilty

Posted by AlM on Tue Dec 25 14:31:28 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by ntrainride on Tue Dec 25 11:43:13 2007.

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And wtf is with this careless tossing of the derogatory terms for persons of Italian ancestry?

Goombah is not derogatory. It comes from compadre. It's neutral in its meaning.



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Re: John White Jury Deliberation story

Posted by BMT Guy on Tue Dec 25 15:36:51 2007, in response to Re: John White Jury Deliberation story, posted by ntrainride on Tue Dec 25 11:35:51 2007.

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[But it's funny how I never read anything about stuff I've seen going on, groups of black kids cowardly harrassing white riders on trains, threatening them and making the person feel like his life is in danger. Never see any editorials denouncing this activity.]

There was a recent BIG story where black young girls were harassing/and attacking a white male passenger on a subway train....nobody in the press seemed to be condoning their actions.

[That's one of the things I liked about living in Bensonhurst. That anti-white racist shit didn't play along 18th Avenue. No sir.]

Yeah, but Bensonhurst also got a reputation for it's own 'thugish' behavior.

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Re: John White Found Guilty

Posted by BMT Guy on Tue Dec 25 15:40:29 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by AlM on Tue Dec 25 14:31:28 2007.

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Dago IS derogatory, yet there used to be a member of this board of Italian descent that had no problem calling himself by that term...similar to a black calling himself/herself the 'n' word.

I used to chastise him about using the term for himself and his Italian friends. It's disrespectful anyway you look at it.

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Re: Another ohn White Jury Deliberation story

Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Dec 25 16:14:00 2007, in response to Re: John White Jury Deliberation story, posted by BMT Guy on Tue Dec 25 15:36:51 2007.

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Link here

This guy could have asked for a "hung jury" and mistrial declaration....

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Re: John White Found Guilty

Posted by ntrainride on Tue Dec 25 22:43:48 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by BMT Guy on Tue Dec 25 15:40:29 2007.

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Hmmm. You're right. I personally have never heard any persons of Italian ancesestry use that term. "Guinea", yeah. But that other one, no way. That's pure hate straight from the gate.

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Re: John White Found Guilty

Posted by Grand concourse on Wed Dec 26 00:16:21 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Forest Glen on Tue Dec 25 11:53:43 2007.

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This has nothing to do w/race, the guy had a gun that discharged and killed a kid. That's instant manslaughter when the guy was a few feet from his home and should've called for the cops since any of the kids trying to break into his home would've been a hostile act and even justifiable w/a gun.

When he stepped out w/the gun he is guilty of 'attacking' first and should be thrown in prison for the death of the kid.

Again what if the situation was reversed and the shooter was white and the victims black? Death is a death. He killed a kid and must face the consequences.

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Re: John White Found Guilty

Posted by Grand concourse on Wed Dec 26 00:18:10 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Amanda on Tue Dec 25 12:22:10 2007.

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"I would have had the same opinions had the skin colors been reversed."

iawtp. I'm sure most of us agree w/you.

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Re: John White Found Guilty

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 26 08:17:17 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by ntrainride on Tue Dec 25 22:43:48 2007.

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Awful lot of honkies here.

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Re: John White Found Guilty

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 26 08:20:36 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by aem7ac on Tue Dec 25 10:55:40 2007.

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BEST. POST. EVER.

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Re: John White Found Guilty

Posted by Railman718 on Wed Dec 26 12:53:19 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 24 19:27:17 2007.

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Black people, in 2007, are not oppressed. Any black person over 40 has most likely never seen or been a victim of an act of institutionalized racism their entire lives. No matter what they may think ...

So when do YOU speak for Black People??

You wouldnt even know the "depth" of it really..

Much deeper those seeds planted 400 yrs ago still exist today and it up to us as a people to destroy them once and for all.

It starts "within" its about "humanity" not about color..








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Re: John White Found Guilty

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 26 13:02:47 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Dec 23 14:14:15 2007.

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whites in this country have never been oppressed by blacks

Right; that gang of black guys I was jumped by over two decades ago weren't "oppressing" me (and I hadn't done a thing to them; just attacked me at random). B7 you.

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Re: I guess ny sucks

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 26 13:04:25 2007, in response to Re: I guess ny sucks, posted by Forest Glen on Sun Dec 23 19:42:09 2007.

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Down south? You're in more danger there than in Suffolk County.

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Re: John White Found Guilty

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 26 13:05:02 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Forest Glen on Sun Dec 23 12:40:15 2007.

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What attack?

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Re: John White Found Guilty

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 26 13:07:57 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by italianstallion on Mon Dec 24 10:21:13 2007.

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I don't give a rat's ass what the Texas penal code says

Hmm; shows your respect for the law, there.

What he did was wrong, what they used to call a "sin."

What scriptures define it as a sin? Please tell us.

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Re: John White Found Guilty

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 26 13:08:23 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Train Dude on Mon Dec 24 18:17:01 2007.

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Not to mention tries to make up his own definition of "sin".

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Re: John White Found Guilty

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 26 13:10:45 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Dec 23 19:38:47 2007.

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Why would a gang of kids ask him if he had $5? Don't play ignorant, now.

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Re: John White Found Guilty

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 26 13:11:07 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Forest Glen on Mon Dec 24 22:23:48 2007.

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Stop being a racist.

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