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Posted by Peter Rosa on Thu Aug 28 13:51:52 2025, in response to Peace Loving Transexual Shoots Up A Minneapolis Church, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Wed Aug 27 15:19:36 2025. Westman had two extremely contradictory slogans painted on his rifle:“Remove kebab” (presumably, get rid of Muslims) and “6 million wasn’t enough” |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu Aug 28 15:20:31 2025, in response to Re: Peace Loving Transexual Shoots Up A Minneapolis Church, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Aug 27 16:17:06 2025. Transgender people are dilusional. As such, they along with anyone else who is dilusional should never get a gun. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 28 15:36:45 2025, in response to Re: Peace Loving Transexual Shoots Up A Minneapolis Church, posted by Peter Rosa on Thu Aug 28 13:51:52 2025. How are they contradictory? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 28 16:29:41 2025, in response to Re: Peace Loving Transexual Shoots Up A Minneapolis Church, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu Aug 28 15:20:31 2025. They're not delusional as a rule. But I am sincerely convinced that social contagion has caused many more people to identify as "transgender" than is really the case, and this is also happening to people who are mentally ill in other ways and convince themselves that "transition" will solve their problems when it won't.But the problem with using flimsy mental health criteria to restrict basic constitutional rights is that people will be discouraged from seeking mental health assistance lest they be flagged as mentally ill and lose a valuable constitutional right. The right to keep and bear arms should only be restricted as punishment for a crime. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Aug 28 16:37:06 2025, in response to Re: Peace Loving Transexual Shoots Up A Minneapolis Church, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 28 16:29:41 2025. But I am sincerely convinced that social contagion has caused many more people to identify as "transgender" than is really the case, and this is also happening to people who are mentally ill in other ways and convince themselves that "transition" will solve their problems when it won't.Agreed that many people think that transition will solve their problems, when it won't. But since almost no one transitions irrevocably in a short period of time*, most of those for whom transitioning does nothing will probably realize that the transition isn't doing what they want. There are also lots more people who, 30 years ago, would never have thought about transitioning as even a partial solution to their problems. * I suppose there are unethical surgeons who will operate on someone who just decided the other day that they were transgender, but I doubt it's many. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Aug 28 16:38:43 2025, in response to Re: Peace Loving Transexual Shoots Up A Minneapolis Church, posted by Peter Rosa on Thu Aug 28 13:51:52 2025. Yeah, this one seems to have been all-encompassing in her hates. Muslims, Jews, Catholics, Trump, etc. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 28 16:56:31 2025, in response to Re: Peace Loving Transexual Shoots Up A Minneapolis Church, posted by AlM on Thu Aug 28 16:37:06 2025. There are detransitioners. These people are routinely scorned by some in the LGBT community.The problem is that there is some real science and medicine behind sex change, but it’s politicized, and from both sides. In terms of surgery, it used to be that gender reassignment surgery was a necessary prerequisite for being considered fully transitioned, but nowadays there’s equivocation on that. Plenty of clinics will put patients on HRT readily, and the surgery is thought of as unnecessary. Ultimately, it’s none of my business, but being a bleeding-heart lib, I don’t like to see people being led astray and ruin their bodies and their lives unnecessarily. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 28 17:04:33 2025, in response to Re: Peace Loving Transexual Shoots Up A Minneapolis Church, posted by Peter Rosa on Thu Aug 28 13:19:05 2025. This is similar to my argument that if you outlaw guns, only cool people will have guns. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu Aug 28 17:21:25 2025, in response to Re: Peace Loving Transexual Shoots Up A Minneapolis Church, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 28 16:29:41 2025. I certainly disagree. How is a woman who thinks she is a man not dilusional? |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Aug 28 17:32:11 2025, in response to Re: Peace Loving Transexual Shoots Up A Minneapolis Church, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Aug 28 10:33:51 2025. Unstable Trannys kill themselves because after they make the transition, they realize that there problems have just begun. Making the switch did not solve anything. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Aug 28 17:36:12 2025, in response to Re: Peace Loving Transexual Shoots Up A Minneapolis Church, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 28 16:56:31 2025. I don’t like to see people being led astray and ruin their bodies and their lives unnecessarily.But some of that will happen no matter what. These are mentally ill people, and even with the best of intentions, some will get the wrong treatment. They need the best help they can get, both psychological and medical, without interference from politics. The left puts up interference in terms of some people overhyping transition as a cure. But the right puts up legislative interference in many states, and possibly also federally. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Aug 28 17:39:48 2025, in response to Re: Peace Loving Transexual Shoots Up A Minneapolis Church, posted by AlM on Thu Aug 28 12:32:32 2025. No, being a tranny or a tranny ally is a "flex" amongst the Progressives. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Aug 28 17:43:32 2025, in response to Re: Peace Loving Transexual Shoots Up A Minneapolis Church, posted by AlM on Thu Aug 28 16:38:43 2025. His |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Aug 28 17:45:22 2025, in response to Re: Peace Loving Transexual Shoots Up A Minneapolis Church, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu Aug 28 17:21:25 2025. That's a transphobic statement!! 😡 🤬 |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 28 18:04:37 2025, in response to Re: Peace Loving Transexual Shoots Up A Minneapolis Church, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu Aug 28 17:21:25 2025. They don’t think that they’re a woman, they think that they should have been a woman but were born into the wrong body.The perpetrator here was likely just mentally ill and believed that she was transgender as a result. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 28 18:07:06 2025, in response to Re: Peace Loving Transexual Shoots Up A Minneapolis Church, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Aug 28 17:45:22 2025. I know you’re joking but it’s actually not. Taking a serious mental health condition and turning it into a civil rights issue set back the cause of trans rights by decades. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 28 18:07:33 2025, in response to Re: Peace Loving Transexual Shoots Up A Minneapolis Church, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Aug 28 17:32:11 2025. BINGO! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 28 18:15:03 2025, in response to Re: Peace Loving Transexual Shoots Up A Minneapolis Church, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Aug 28 17:39:48 2025. Yes it is.Cynthia Nixon |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 28 18:15:29 2025, in response to Re: Peace Loving Transexual Shoots Up A Minneapolis Church, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Aug 28 17:43:32 2025. No |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu Aug 28 18:19:02 2025, in response to Re: Peace Loving Transexual Shoots Up A Minneapolis Church, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 28 18:04:37 2025. Hair splitting. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Aug 28 18:24:33 2025, in response to Re: Peace Loving Transexual Shoots Up A Minneapolis Church, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Aug 28 17:39:48 2025. I don't view those people as being representative of our society. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Aug 28 18:26:28 2025, in response to Re: Peace Loving Transexual Shoots Up A Minneapolis Church, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 28 18:07:06 2025. Taking a serious mental health condition and turning it into a civil rights issue set back the cause of trans rights by decades.People with serious mental health issues are entitled to civil rights too. See Willowbrook. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Aug 28 19:22:37 2025, in response to Re: Peace Loving Transexual Shoots Up A Minneapolis Church, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Aug 28 17:32:11 2025. Correct |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Aug 28 20:47:15 2025, in response to Re: Peace Loving Transexual Shoots Up A Minneapolis Church, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 28 18:15:29 2025. We shouldn't play into delusions. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Aug 28 20:50:00 2025, in response to Re: Peace Loving Transexual Shoots Up A Minneapolis Church, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 28 18:04:37 2025. I think most of them are gays who are ashamed, so they doll themselves up and take on a campy, cross-dressing persona. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Aug 28 20:53:10 2025, in response to Re: Peace Loving Transexual Shoots Up A Minneapolis Church, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 28 18:15:03 2025. She needs to be bent over a table or desk and get a good "rogering", as the Brits would say. She's a loon. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Aug 28 20:53:45 2025, in response to Re: Peace Loving Transexual Shoots Up A Minneapolis Church, posted by AlM on Thu Aug 28 18:24:33 2025. How closed-minded of you! |
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Re: Peace-Loving MN Transexual Shooter in manifesto—“Filthy Zionist Jews”, “Free Palestine” |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 28 23:50:51 2025, in response to Peace-Loving MN Transexual Shooter in manifesto—“Filthy Zionist Jews”, “Free Palestine”, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 28 06:32:32 2025. bump |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Fri Aug 29 06:22:05 2025, in response to Re: Peace Loving Transexual Shoots Up A Minneapolis Church, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 28 18:07:06 2025. What are " trans rights", exactly?. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Fri Aug 29 06:22:54 2025, in response to Re: Peace Loving Transexual Shoots Up A Minneapolis Church, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Aug 28 20:47:15 2025. Precisely |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 29 10:24:19 2025, in response to Re: Peace Loving Transexual Shoots Up A Minneapolis Church, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Aug 28 20:50:00 2025. No, there are men who do that. Trannies take hormones and get surgery. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 29 10:31:12 2025, in response to Re: Peace Loving Transexual Shoots Up A Minneapolis Church, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Fri Aug 29 06:22:05 2025. Treat them with respect and don’t discriminate against them except where it serves a compelling interest. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 29 10:32:14 2025, in response to Re: Peace Loving Transexual Shoots Up A Minneapolis Church, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Aug 28 20:47:15 2025. It has nothing to do with delusions. It’s just grammar. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Fri Aug 29 11:12:00 2025, in response to Peace Loving Transexual Shoots Up A Minneapolis Church, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Wed Aug 27 15:19:36 2025. Did the perp's mother continually smoke, drink and do drugs during her pregnancy, and continually after giving birth? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Aug 29 13:11:46 2025, in response to Re: Peace Loving Transexual Shoots Up A Minneapolis Church, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 29 10:24:19 2025. Not all do. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 29 13:38:06 2025, in response to Re: Peace Loving Transexual Shoots Up A Minneapolis Church, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Aug 29 13:11:46 2025. Yes, but I don’t think that most of them are gay and ashamed.Like I’ve implied elsewhere in this thread, I think that there is a social contagion whereby way more people identify as trans than legitimately are, and get HRT when they shouldn’t. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Aug 29 13:58:56 2025, in response to Re: Peace Loving Transexual Shoots Up A Minneapolis Church, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 29 13:38:06 2025. I think that there is a social contagion whereby way more people identify as trans than legitimately are, and get HRT when they shouldn’t.That is sort of as implausible as believing that lots of people talk themselves into being gay. "I'm unhappy, and I think the cure for being unhappy is to identify in such a way as to bring onto myself huge amounts of inconvenience, expense, and hostility (not to mention additional medical problems)." |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 29 15:34:09 2025, in response to Re: Peace Loving Transexual Shoots Up A Minneapolis Church, posted by AlM on Fri Aug 29 13:58:56 2025. I do think that people talk themselves into being gay, or straight, but I don’t consider that to be a public health crisis.It’s not that the patient wants to be inconvenienced, they go to a professional and are misdiagnosed, and because it’s a professional, they go with it. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Fri Aug 29 16:00:26 2025, in response to Re: Peace Loving Transexual Shoots Up A Minneapolis Church, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 29 10:32:14 2025. Let me splain to you, this. My wife has a life-long friend whe now has altzheimers. She said the other day that Donald Trump drove by and waved to her. That's a dilusion. When a male wakes up and thinks that hes female in the wrong body, that's a dilusion. You can twist the english language for political convenience but XY chromosomes = male in any language. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Fri Aug 29 16:01:23 2025, in response to Re: Peace Loving Transexual Shoots Up A Minneapolis Church, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 29 10:32:14 2025. Let me splain to you, this. My wife has a life-long friend whe now has altzheimers. She said the other day that Donald Trump drove by and waved to her. That's a dilusion. When a male wakes up and thinks that hes female in the wrong body, that's a dilusion. You can twist the english language for political convenience but XY chromosomes = male in any language. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Fri Aug 29 16:02:03 2025, in response to Re: Peace Loving Transexual Shoots Up A Minneapolis Church, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 29 10:32:14 2025. Let me splain to you, this. My wife has a life-long friend whe now has altzheimers. She said the other day that Donald Trump drove by and waved to her. That's a dilusion. When a male wakes up and thinks that hes female in the wrong body, that's a dilusion. You can twist the english language for political convenience but XY chromosomes = male in any language. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Fri Aug 29 16:02:25 2025, in response to Re: Peace Loving Transexual Shoots Up A Minneapolis Church, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 29 10:32:14 2025. Let me splain to you, this. My wife has a life-long friend whe now has altzheimers. She said the other day that Donald Trump drove by and waved to her. That's a dilusion. When a male wakes up and thinks that hes female in the wrong body, that's a dilusion. You can twist the english language for political convenience but XY chromosomes = male in any language. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 29 16:27:57 2025, in response to Re: Peace Loving Transexual Shoots Up A Minneapolis Church, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Fri Aug 29 16:00:26 2025. I didn’t say that a transsexual is “male” or “female.” My post was entirely about grammatical gender, which used to be the only sense of the term “gender” before it got coöpted, and the only sense that I ever use the term in (people can’t change their sex and men can’t become women).The subject of this thread was a biological male, but she is/was a feminine noun. And in any event XY≠male. Some males are XX, XYY or XXY. Some females are X, XY, or XXX. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Aug 29 21:10:49 2025, in response to Re: Peace Loving Transexual Shoots Up A Minneapolis Church, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 29 16:27:57 2025. The "she/her" is grammatically correct, if you acknowledge the character he's playing. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 29 21:48:10 2025, in response to Re: Peace Loving Transexual Shoots Up A Minneapolis Church, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Aug 29 21:10:49 2025. That’s all there is to it!In any case, free speech and all, you can call anyone whatever you want. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Aug 29 22:26:46 2025, in response to Re: Peace Loving Transexual Shoots Up A Minneapolis Church, posted by AlM on Thu Aug 28 13:14:48 2025. "...rans people could eliminate their misery just by hiding their condition."Thats not the mindset they believe in. Its an "I'm out of the closet" thinking thats in their DNA. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 30 03:33:38 2025, in response to Re: Peace Loving Transexual Shoots Up A Minneapolis Church, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 29 21:48:10 2025. I AGREE!! Ergo, you shouldn't be disciplind, fined fired, or jailed for calling someone what they really are, and not what they "think" they are. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sat Aug 30 06:47:46 2025, in response to Re: Peace Loving Transexual Shoots Up A Minneapolis Church, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 30 03:33:38 2025. You'd think that would be so but teachers have been disciplined for not referring to a student by their chosen pronoun. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Aug 30 07:54:13 2025, in response to Re: Peace Loving Transexual Shoots Up A Minneapolis Church, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Aug 29 22:26:46 2025. And you know this how? |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Aug 30 09:15:32 2025, in response to Re: Peace Loving Transexual Shoots Up A Minneapolis Church, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 30 03:33:38 2025. Ergo, you shouldn't be disciplind, fined fired, or jailed for calling someone what they really are, and not what they "think" they are.You do realize, don't you, that US employers have incredible latitude in firing people for expressing their opinions? In fact, the federal government has taken to firing large numbers of civil service employees, who supposedly have legislative protection, for expressing their opinions. |
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