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Posted by BIE on Fri Jan 5 12:59:17 2007, in response to Re: Why can't I get fired like this?, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jan 5 12:42:37 2007. i think he said bu$h is a nazi. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jan 5 13:03:25 2007, in response to Re: Why can't I get fired like this?, posted by BIE on Fri Jan 5 12:59:17 2007. That wouldn't make him sound too smart then, would it? |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Fri Jan 5 13:19:14 2007, in response to Re: Why can't I get fired like this?, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jan 5 13:03:25 2007. lol, this was a funny series of posts actually.My apologies for mentioning the origin of the social security plan. Lucky for me I didn't compare how other countries do it in their sharemarkets. I don't know if they mean share like sharing, or shares instead of saying stock. |
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Posted by Charles G on Fri Jan 5 15:44:13 2007, in response to Re: Why can't I get fired like this?, posted by orange blossom special on Fri Jan 5 10:48:30 2007. I don't know that nobody wants 5% -- but 5% will cost you about $4 Billion. Not many people with that kind of cash just sitting around.HD is a true "public" company. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Sat Jan 6 13:03:01 2007, in response to Re: Why can't I get fired like this?, posted by Charles G on Thu Jan 4 12:39:34 2007. Home Depot has 235,000 full time employees. So it's about $1,000 bucks per person.Of 3.5 weeks worth of work at $7/hr. Depending on salary. But let's say 7/hr, which is retailish. $14560/year. Add $1,000 dollars. and divide 15,560/year. Now you make $7.48/hr. Much higher than the standard .25 cent raise one would get. Especially if your paycheck to paycheck anyway, the $1k would go a long way. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Sat Jan 6 13:03:54 2007, in response to Re: Why can't I get fired like this?, posted by American Pig on Thu Jan 4 19:48:56 2007. *And this is not thievery at all, his salary and benefits package was approved by the board of directors who were elected by the shareholders.*Kinda like the raises and benefits congress gives themselves no questions asked. |
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Posted by American Pig on Sat Jan 6 14:02:40 2007, in response to Re: Why can't I get fired like this?, posted by orange blossom special on Sat Jan 6 13:03:01 2007. So what? Home Depot is not a charity. |
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Posted by American Pig on Sat Jan 6 15:18:09 2007, in response to Re: Why can't I get fired like this?, posted by orange blossom special on Sat Jan 6 13:03:54 2007. You're obviously jealous that other people have achieved better than you and have more power than you. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 6 15:29:19 2007, in response to Re: Why can't I get fired like this?, posted by Charles G on Fri Jan 5 15:44:13 2007. HD is a true "public" companyYou mean they're Communist?? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 6 15:31:22 2007, in response to Re: Why can't I get fired like this?, posted by American Pig on Fri Jan 5 07:02:36 2007. If everyone were equal in life, then no one would bother trying to be better than anyone elseWhat do you mean "better"? an idiot assembly line monkey Unless you've done that job, don't throw that insult. Those "idiots" made America into the greatest nation on Earth; and it's putting them out of jobs that is killing the USA. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 6 15:31:50 2007, in response to Re: Why can't I get fired like this?, posted by BIE on Fri Jan 5 07:28:03 2007. He couldn't do that kind of work in a fit. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 6 15:33:19 2007, in response to Re: Why can't I get fired like this?, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Jan 5 09:41:41 2007. Everyone's a shithead to you. You're perfect, right? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 6 15:36:19 2007, in response to Re: Why can't I get fired like this?, posted by American Pig on Fri Jan 5 06:59:02 2007. Nothing un-American about justifying rewarding some greedy schlub for FAILING?? That goes against everything the USA is about, Sparky. |
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Posted by BIE on Sat Jan 6 15:45:43 2007, in response to Re: Why can't I get fired like this?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 6 15:31:50 2007. I know. He'd be crying for mommy if someone put his ass on piece rate. |
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Posted by Charles G on Sat Jan 6 16:49:37 2007, in response to Re: Why can't I get fired like this?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 6 15:29:19 2007. No. I don't mean that. |
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Posted by Charles G on Sat Jan 6 16:52:27 2007, in response to Re: Why can't I get fired like this?, posted by orange blossom special on Sat Jan 6 13:03:01 2007. I don't believe that they pay their full-time employees $7 per hour. Perhaps some of their part-timers in the lower-cost areas around the country, but probably not even most of their part-timers are getting that low of a wage. |
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Posted by BIE on Sat Jan 6 16:58:12 2007, in response to Re: Why can't I get fired like this?, posted by Charles G on Sat Jan 6 16:52:27 2007. they are a pack of idiots who need training. Unfortunately, big boxes do not hire anyone smart enough to understand the use of the products becsause they'd unionize and the lice can't have that. |
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Posted by tracksionmotor on Sat Jan 6 20:45:36 2007, in response to Re: Why can't I get fired like this?, posted by orange blossom special on Fri Jan 5 13:19:14 2007. Plan for Socialist Security is individual investments by choice like a mutual fund. Problem is bad investments leads to loss and who will cover? I'm probably the most conservative investor you could ever meet and my only loss was 'Global Crossings.' |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 6 20:51:00 2007, in response to Re: Why can't I get fired like this?, posted by Charles G on Sat Jan 6 16:49:37 2007. You must, because you didn't tell me what you meant. |
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Posted by tracksionmotor on Sat Jan 6 21:15:00 2007, in response to Re: Why can't I get fired like this?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 6 15:36:19 2007. Sparky is American Pig? |
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Posted by American Pig on Sun Jan 7 09:52:48 2007, in response to Re: Why can't I get fired like this?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 6 15:31:22 2007. Unless you've done that job, don't throw that insult.OK, I'll throw that insult. |
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Posted by American Pig on Sun Jan 7 09:53:09 2007, in response to Re: Why can't I get fired like this?, posted by BIE on Sat Jan 6 15:45:43 2007. False. |
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Posted by American Pig on Sun Jan 7 09:54:17 2007, in response to Re: Why can't I get fired like this?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 6 15:36:19 2007. He had a contract requiring a severance package. There's nothing Un-American about that. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jan 7 18:33:18 2007, in response to Re: Why can't I get fired like this?, posted by American Pig on Sun Jan 7 09:54:17 2007. He had a contract requiring a severance package. There's nothing Un-American about thatJust because the government lets them away with writing such contracts nowadays does not mean that it is not un-American. And they criticize unions for seeking fair contracts with businesses like that?? See the hypocrisy now? |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Jan 7 23:38:53 2007, in response to Re: Why can't I get fired like this?, posted by tracksionmotor on Sat Jan 6 21:15:00 2007. Don't think so, Peter. The real Sparky doesn't look a bit like Morris. |
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Posted by American Pig on Mon Jan 8 00:39:58 2007, in response to Re: Why can't I get fired like this?, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jan 7 18:33:18 2007. And they criticize unions for seeking fair contracts with businesses like that?? See the hypocrisy now?That's not relevant to the discussion. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 8 00:59:01 2007, in response to Re: Why can't I get fired like this?, posted by American Pig on Mon Jan 8 00:39:58 2007. That's not relevant to the discussionYes it is. Union seeks fair contract = bad, but executive gets sweetheart contract = good? Bulloney, wif all doo rispekt. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 8 00:59:44 2007, in response to Re: Why can't I get fired like this?, posted by American Pig on Sun Jan 7 09:52:48 2007. You mean you've worked on an assembly line? Yes or no? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 8 01:00:15 2007, in response to Re: Why can't I get fired like this?, posted by American Pig on Sun Jan 7 09:53:09 2007. Oh, please elaborate. |
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Posted by American Pig on Mon Jan 8 13:43:05 2007, in response to Re: Why can't I get fired like this?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 8 00:59:01 2007. If you had a quarter for every fallacious argument you make, this executive's severance would be chump change to you.We never discussed any labor issues in this thread, they are not relevant to this discussion. Saying they are is an attempt at a straw man. |
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Posted by American Pig on Mon Jan 8 13:45:08 2007, in response to Re: Why can't I get fired like this?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 8 01:00:15 2007. Why is it that I have to elaborate and not BIE who has made the false assertion? |
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Posted by American Pig on Mon Jan 8 13:45:47 2007, in response to Re: Why can't I get fired like this?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 8 00:59:44 2007. I don't see how my work experience is any of your business or relevant to this discussion in any way. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 8 13:47:12 2007, in response to Re: Why can't I get fired like this?, posted by American Pig on Mon Jan 8 13:45:47 2007. Oh, it's relevant, since you're condoning corruption in business. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 8 13:57:10 2007, in response to Re: Why can't I get fired like this?, posted by American Pig on Mon Jan 8 13:45:08 2007. Because you're the one defending corporate corruption. |
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Posted by BIE on Mon Jan 8 14:03:28 2007, in response to Re: Why can't I get fired like this?, posted by American Pig on Mon Jan 8 13:45:08 2007. Have you worked on an assembly line? I have and it is like playing Beat the Clock for 480 minutes, balls out.Beat the Clock: http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0198059/plotsummary |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 8 14:05:36 2007, in response to Re: Why can't I get fired like this?, posted by American Pig on Mon Jan 8 13:43:05 2007. If you had a quarter for every fallacious argument you make. . . I'd be on the negative side in Jeopardy, in the six figures at least. You haven't demonstrated any of my arguments to be fallacious; indeed, you sanction their verity by evading them. We never discussed any labor issues in this thread, they are not relevant to this discussion Don't use run-on sentences. I didn't specify, nor even mention "labor issues"; I specified employment under contract. You're the one spewing the fallacies. |
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Posted by American Pig on Mon Jan 8 14:12:55 2007, in response to Re: Why can't I get fired like this?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 8 13:47:12 2007. No, as I've already established, this is not an example of corruption. The board of directors were under no obligation to include this severance condition in the contract yet they chose to. Apparently to you, executives are not entitled to job security, yet labor is. Both are entitled to job security. Actually, in terms of the CEO being "better," it is only because in general, one deserves more pay, that is the only way that the executive is "better." |
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Posted by American Pig on Mon Jan 8 14:21:53 2007, in response to Re: Why can't I get fired like this?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 8 14:05:36 2007. I specifically mentioned the fallacy you are using, yet you choose to ignore it. Responding to fallacies as valid arguments is unnecessary and would only lower my argument to the level of your fallacies.I didn't specify, nor even mention "labor issues"; I specified employment under contract. You did. And it isn't relevant anyway, it is quite clear to what I was referring with the term "labor issues," and your pretending that you don't know is a weasely attempt to connect two unrelated issues. A semantic argument does not make them any more related. |
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Posted by American Pig on Mon Jan 8 14:26:21 2007, in response to Re: Why can't I get fired like this?, posted by BIE on Mon Jan 8 14:03:28 2007. An assembly line is self-regulating as an employee's missteps are noticed down the line and can lead to sanction. A piece rate is unnecessary, especially as it would be dependent on the speed of the line and equivalent to a wage rate for a worker of expected efficiency.There are jobs where productivity is decided by the employee and therefore a piece rate would be appropriate. I have worked such a job in an industrial setting and would have preferred a piece rate. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 8 14:27:32 2007, in response to Re: Why can't I get fired like this?, posted by American Pig on Mon Jan 8 14:26:21 2007. Thanks for admitting that you've never done assembly work. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 8 14:31:10 2007, in response to Re: Why can't I get fired like this?, posted by American Pig on Mon Jan 8 14:21:53 2007. I specifically mentioned the fallacy you are using, yet you choose to ignore itNo; you lied. You claimed that I raised "labor issues" when I didn't. Lying is the greatest fallacious argument of all. You did Sorry, pal: lying about what I wrote won't help you win. This is what I said: And they criticize unions for seeking fair contracts with businesses like that?? See the hypocrisy now? I mentioned no "labor issues". You're a liar. your pretending that you don't know is a weasely attempt to connect two unrelated issues. A semantic argument does not make them any more related Don't even try it. You're exposed for the liar you are. |
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Posted by BIE on Mon Jan 8 14:38:25 2007, in response to Re: Why can't I get fired like this?, posted by American Pig on Mon Jan 8 14:26:21 2007. You are unqualified to comment on the matter. "rework" "High Cycle (Controlling station or work cell)" Google these terms and report back to me. Industrial Engineering is outside your experience. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 8 14:38:59 2007, in response to Re: Why can't I get fired like this?, posted by American Pig on Mon Jan 8 14:12:55 2007. as I've already established, this is not an example of corruptionYou've established no such thing. All you've "established" is that you condone it. The board of directors were under no obligation to include this severance condition in the contract yet they chose to You're a bad equivocator. Simply because they made a choice, it was the right choice? and because they were not under duress to make the right choice, making the wrong choice was OK? Apparently to you, executives are not entitled to job security, yet labor is ??? I never said anything of the kind! This is a case of executives being rewarded for failure. Union workers do not get rewarded for failure—they get fired all the time, and there is no guarantee of severance when they do. Both are entitled to job security That's terribly magnanimous of you. But again, we are not talking about job security. Stop clinging to this fallacy. Actually, in terms of the CEO being "better," it is only because in general, one deserves more pay, that is the only way that the executive is "better." We're not talking about that. CEOs should get paid for doing their jobs, not failing at their jobs. |
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Posted by American Pig on Mon Jan 8 14:41:39 2007, in response to Re: Why can't I get fired like this?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 8 14:31:10 2007. No; you lied. You claimed that I raised "labor issues" when I didn't. Lying is the greatest fallacious argument of all.I have not lied, any reasonable person would consider issues involving labor unions to be a LABOR issue. Or were you talking about some other union? Sorry, pal: lying about what I wrote won't help you win. This is what I said: And they criticize unions for seeking fair contracts with businesses like that?? See the hypocrisy now? I mentioned no "labor issues". You're a liar. You're a weasel. Your fourth word in that quote was "unions," making it clearly a labor issue. The two issues are not related, you used "they" without referring to any specific group, you simply made an assertion that an opinion on one implied an opinion on the other. It does not, therefore LABOR ISSUES are irrelevant to this discussion. Geez, you are such an ignorant ass that you can't see that. Do I have to fucking spoon-feed you every time? Don't even try it. You're exposed for the liar you are. LOL! As if you could expose me. Your credibility here is shot, you're the next RonInMO/BS. |
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Posted by American Pig on Mon Jan 8 14:43:01 2007, in response to Re: Why can't I get fired like this?, posted by BIE on Mon Jan 8 14:38:25 2007. We will have to agree to disagree. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Jan 8 14:44:30 2007, in response to Re: Why can't I get fired like this?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 8 14:27:32 2007. Thanks for admitting that you've never done any meaningful work, outside of flipping burgers at McDonalds. |
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Posted by American Pig on Mon Jan 8 14:49:22 2007, in response to Re: Why can't I get fired like this?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 8 14:38:59 2007. You've established no such thing. All you've "established" is that you condone it.You've established nothing either. The burden is on you as you've stated it was corruption and offered no evidence for said assertion. You're a bad equivocator. Simply because they made a choice, it was the right choice? and because they were not under duress to make the right choice, making the wrong choice was OK? You've not established why it was the wrong choice, only citing that it is corrupt, which you have not demonstrated. ??? I never said anything of the kind! This is a case of executives being rewarded for failure. Union workers do not get rewarded for failure—they get fired all the time, and there is no guarantee of severance when they do. That they are not entitled to the same job security is not relevant to this discussion, as the fact that they are not does not mean that they should or should not be, it only means that it is the current practice. If a union wanted to include an anti-firing clause in its contract, then I would not be against it. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Mon Jan 8 14:52:17 2007, in response to Re: Why can't I get fired like this?, posted by American Pig on Mon Jan 8 14:49:22 2007. *I never said anything of the kind! This is a case of executives being rewarded for failure*Delta and Kmart are my biggest examples of this type of thing. Bankrupt a company and walk away with 9 figures. A lady executive from Delta is the biggest offender, sueing for more spoils after she's left, and getting hired by a firm where most of the board members are under criminal investigations for corruptive practices. I haven't read the AJC in a while, I couldn't handle reading about Ford and Delta anymore, they're jokes. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 8 14:59:36 2007, in response to Re: Why can't I get fired like this?, posted by American Pig on Mon Jan 8 14:41:39 2007. I have not liedLiars like to say that. any reasonable person would consider issues involving labor unions to be a LABOR issue Pigeonholing now? You're using every logical fallacy in the book. Like it or not, there is a commonality between executives and unions: They get contracts from their employers. That is what I was focusing on—as well as the preferential treatment towards executives on that spectrum. You're a weasel. Your fourth word in that quote was "unions," making it clearly a labor issue I did no weaseling. I clearly highlighted the similarity wherein both executives and unions deal in work contracts with companies. I raised no other issue. You're the weasel in trying to shift the focus towards "labor issues". you used "they" without referring to any specific group None of your arguments were specific. My use of "they" is a valid euphemism. you simply made an assertion that an opinion on one implied an opinion on the other I did no such thing. I was specific, as I repeat herein. It does not, therefore LABOR ISSUES are irrelevant to this discussion Again, I did not raise "labor issues". These are words I did not use. Your equating "unions" with "labor issues" in perpetuity is fallacious at its core. Geez, you are such an ignorant ass that you can't see that. Do I have to fucking spoon-feed you every time? You're down to spoon-feeding bullshit versus shoveling it? I'm impressed . . . LOL! As if you could expose me I don't have to. You expose yourself, quite transparently. Your credibility here is shot, you're the next RonInMO/BS I believe I compared you to that Subchat member first. And you've done nothing to injure my credibility, nor have I done so myself herein. |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Mon Jan 8 15:00:04 2007, in response to Why can't I get fired like this?, posted by orange blossom special on Thu Jan 4 11:37:13 2007. If I got fired, I don't think I'd even get a coupon for a Happy Meal at McDonalds.Jimmymc25 |
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