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Re: Being A Lyft Passenger While Black |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Sep 13 14:36:42 2020, in response to Re: Being A Lyft Passenger While Black, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Sep 13 14:34:41 2020. That my post was consistent with my earlier post and wasn't evidence that it happens to white and asian women. Do you have any proff that it does? I googled and the results showed police violence against black women. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Sep 13 14:43:28 2020, in response to Re: Being A Lyft Passenger While Black (Officer Fired), posted by Easy on Sun Sep 13 13:38:09 2020. Bad move on the department's part.The only reason the OP posted about this story is because the officer is white. Just pure racism on his part. BTW, these are the Clayton County commissioners. All Democrats FWICS. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 13 14:48:14 2020, in response to Re: Being A Lyft Passenger While Biting Deputy (Officer Fired), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Sep 13 14:43:28 2020. No, I posted this because it's another example of how the police treat Black people in specific ways. There is no legitimate explanation for the cop's actions against Walker in this incident. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Sep 13 14:48:35 2020, in response to Re: Being A Lyft Passenger While Biting Deputy (Officer Fired), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Sep 13 14:43:28 2020. When I was young Clayton was nearly all white and now it's mostly black. Interesting how things cycle. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Sep 13 15:00:30 2020, in response to Re: Being A Lyft Passenger While Biting Deputy (Officer Fired), posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 13 14:48:14 2020. And what was the explanation for the two cops being shot "because they were cop". |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Sep 13 15:01:42 2020, in response to Re: Being A Lyft Passenger While Biting Deputies, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Sep 13 13:25:37 2020. +50 |
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Re: Being A Lyft Passenger While Biting Deputy (Officer Fired) |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 13 15:04:58 2020, in response to Re: Being A Lyft Passenger While Biting Deputy (Officer Fired), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Sep 13 15:00:30 2020. Why do you persist with the whataboutism in this thread?It's awful that two cops were shot in LA, but that's a different subject, and has nothing to do with the incident being discussed here. |
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Re: Being A Lyft Passenger While Black |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 13 15:29:01 2020, in response to Re: Being A Lyft Passenger While Black, posted by Easy on Sun Sep 13 13:24:44 2020. And again we come back to this point. When confronted by police, even if the request to identify yourself is unlawful, why resist? Why not comply and then air your grievance later in court? It seems to me that even if you are falsely arrested, it's far better than being brutalized by the criminal behavior of a rogue police officer. At least you get to tell your story for yourself. |
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Re: Being A Lyft Passenger While Black |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Sep 13 15:51:46 2020, in response to Re: Being A Lyft Passenger While Black, posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 13 15:29:01 2020. Because it's my right as an American and I don't take those rights lightly.That doesn't mean that I will be combative or abusive. I will be very polite as I always am. |
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Re: Being A Lyft Passenger While Biting Deputy (Officer Fired) |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Sep 13 16:56:47 2020, in response to Re: Being A Lyft Passenger While Biting Deputy (Officer Fired), posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 13 15:04:58 2020. Simple. You think it's so stacked against one group when the other group is being abused too....simply for going to work. One is the mother of a 6 year old little girl. |
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Re: Being A Lyft Passenger While Biting Deputy (Officer Fired) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Sep 13 17:09:16 2020, in response to Re: Being A Lyft Passenger While Biting Deputy (Officer Fired), posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Sep 13 16:56:47 2020. More like he's invested in pushing a false narrative. |
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Re: Being A Lyft Passenger While Black |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 13 17:42:51 2020, in response to Re: Being A Lyft Passenger While Black, posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Sep 13 12:39:40 2020. I can say big deal to any one sided bullshit that miniman posts |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 13 19:12:53 2020, in response to Re: Being A Lyft Passenger While Black, posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Sep 13 12:39:40 2020. In fairness to you, let me give you a more complete answer.While growing up, 2 people I know were killed. One by his business associates who shot him and left him in the trunk of one of his cabs. Another was shot by drug dealers. You fuck with the wrong people, you lose. There are idiots who see a cute lion or tiger at the zoo and hop the fence, thinking that they can pet the kitty and be friends. So with all of the publicity around all of the incidents of people who choose to fight with a cop and lose - sometimes lose their lives, I look at them the same as I do the idiots who hop the fence at the zoo to pet the kitty or the morons who cheat their drug dealer. As I said in an earlier post, If confronted by a cop, even a wrong cop, you are not too bright. I will choose to comply and live to air my grievance in an appropriate venue. If you choose to fight the cop in the street, you are usually going to lose. It's no longer a "Man Bites Dog" story". I do not condone it but you really have to be a total moron to risk your life to prove a point. As for JZ - what I said stands. |
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Re: Being A Lyft Passenger While Biting Deputy (Officer Fired) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 13 19:14:50 2020, in response to Re: Being A Lyft Passenger While Biting Deputy (Officer Fired), posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Sep 13 16:56:47 2020. "Come on man." As far as JayZero is concerned, Blue is the new white and white is always wrong. |
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Re: Being A Lyft Passenger While Black |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Sep 13 21:34:53 2020, in response to Re: Being A Lyft Passenger While Black, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 13 12:35:43 2020. Yes I do. |
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Re: Being A Lyft Passenger While Black |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Mon Sep 14 20:22:59 2020, in response to Re: Being A Lyft Passenger While Black, posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 13 19:12:53 2020. There's an old saying that "freedom isn't free", and it's true. But the way you actually fight to protect freedom isn't by fighting enemies of the government in some far-away country. It's more likely to be by standing up to the government in some way.If I, as a passenger, were asked for no apparent reason to show ID to police, I certainly would ask why. If they didn't give a reason, I would probably point out that the law doesn't require me to show it. But if they continued to insist, yeah, I guess I'd show it to them. But it would leave a bad taste in my mouth, so to speak. The only way to prevent repeated actions of this sort by the police from reducing the right not to be subjected to them to a paper fiction is for there to be people who do stand up for their rights, even if it involves a degree of risk. Proving a point can benefit not just yourself, but others who will be in similar situations in the future. I don't know if that's what the guy in this case was thinking or not. Possibly it was, and he expected that, at most, he would have to make his point "in the appropriate venue" - in front of a judge he might have to wait a few hours to see, who would then set him free and admonish the cops involved not to subject others to the same treatment. Anyway, I understand that action has now been taken against at least one of the officers involved. I hope the man who was injured can collect damages which will serve as some kind of deterrent to similar future events. (That's assuming he did not in fact initiate the physical confrontation or at least did not do anything that could conceivably justify the level of force that was used against him in that video. No evidence has come out at this point to suggest that he did.) |
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Re: fools. A Lyft Passenger While Black |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Sep 14 23:09:42 2020, in response to Re: Being A Lyft Passenger While Black, posted by Dyre Dan on Mon Sep 14 20:22:59 2020. In your 2nd paragraph, you've shown yourself to be a reasonable person. That's exactly what I was talking about. Comply and live to fight in the appropriate venue. These people who continually engage physically with the police are only proving that they are fools. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Sep 15 00:34:27 2020, in response to Re: fools. A Lyft Passenger While Black, posted by Train Dude on Mon Sep 14 23:09:42 2020. Well, we don't know how the physical engagement began in this case. Hopefully, information about that will be forthcoming. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 15 06:58:47 2020, in response to Re: fools. A Lyft Passenger While Black, posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Sep 15 00:34:27 2020. No we don't but there seems to be two possibities:A) The detainee aggressively resisted the orders (legal or illegal) of the police. B) The detainee willingly complied with the orders of the police and the police responded by assaulting the detainee. My guess would be "A" but we shall see. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Sep 15 16:51:45 2020, in response to Re: fools. A Lyft Passenger While Black, posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 15 06:58:47 2020. OrC) He passively resisted, declining to do what they wanted but not initiating any physical aggression |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Sep 15 20:35:00 2020, in response to Re: fools. A Lyft Passenger While Black, posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 15 06:58:47 2020. My guess is that the police almost certainly instigated the physical interaction based on his questioning the reason that he needed to show ID. Do you agree that would make him a victim even if he responded physically? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 15 20:43:54 2020, in response to Re: fools. A Lyft Passenger While Black, posted by Easy on Tue Sep 15 20:35:00 2020. your guess based on what? I'd be.more inclined to believe he refused to provide id so police went to cuff him and the fight was on. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Sep 15 20:50:15 2020, in response to Re: fools. A Lyft Passenger While Black, posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 15 20:43:54 2020. Cuffing him would be the start of the physical contact.There is no law that we have to carry or show an ID outside of driving because that's a privilege. They were enforcing a non-existent law if they tried to cuff him. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 15 20:53:54 2020, in response to Re: fools. A Lyft Passenger While Black, posted by Easy on Tue Sep 15 20:50:15 2020. I am not arguing the point. My point is that if you comply you will live to have your grievance adjudicated. If you fight the police, you become a tee shirt and a riot excuse. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Sep 15 21:01:00 2020, in response to Re: fools. A Lyft Passenger While Black, posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 15 20:53:54 2020. Fighting the police is going to be a losing effort and maybe a last and final effort.But I wouldn't have given them my ID. I've posted as much about my experience with that request before and you criticized me then. Here's how I see it. Cops are trying to arrest us. That's why they ask for ID. They want to check for warrants, they want to search us, search our car, question us about all kinds of shit. Sometimes they will ask you if they can do things, like search my car. People think that they have nothing to hide and say yes, but it can still turn out badly. Every move they make is trying to get us in handcuffs, so why make it easy? |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Sep 15 21:02:53 2020, in response to Re: fools. A Lyft Passenger While Black, posted by Easy on Tue Sep 15 21:01:00 2020. IAWTP |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Sep 15 21:04:55 2020, in response to Re: fools. A Lyft Passenger While Black, posted by Easy on Tue Sep 15 21:01:00 2020. Meant to add after the first sentence that I wouldn't fight the police for those reasons. Maybe that wasn't obvious, but I'm not crazy. 😂 |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 15 21:17:27 2020, in response to Re: fools. A Lyft Passenger While Black, posted by Easy on Tue Sep 15 21:04:55 2020. Then we agree. The police call it being detained. I will comply and file my grievance later. At least I will be alive to complain |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Sep 15 21:37:16 2020, in response to Re: fools. A Lyft Passenger While Black, posted by Easy on Tue Sep 15 21:01:00 2020. If there's nothing to hide in your car how will they find something? |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Sep 15 21:57:34 2020, in response to Re: fools. A Lyft Passenger While Black, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Sep 15 21:37:16 2020. I'm not saying that they'll find anything illegal, but they're looking for anything that will allow them to take it one more step. Ben if they still don't find anything they could leave your car messed up for no reason. I went to school with a guy that consented to a search and the cops took the seats out and left them on the side of the road after not finding anything. Plus just the time that it takes. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Wed Sep 16 06:28:51 2020, in response to Re: fools. A Lyft Passenger While Black, posted by Easy on Tue Sep 15 21:57:34 2020. only an extremely dumb person would refuse to show id to a cop. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Sep 16 06:54:20 2020, in response to Re: fools. A Lyft Passenger While Black, posted by ntrainride on Wed Sep 16 06:28:51 2020. No, only a person aware of his or her rights would refuse to show ID to a cop. The law defines a narrow set of circumstances in which people are required to show ID to a cop. Merely being a passenger in a for-hire vehicle isn't one of them. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Sep 16 11:40:22 2020, in response to Re: fools. A Lyft Passenger While Black, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Sep 16 06:54:20 2020. My understanding is that unless we're driving we only have to give our name, not ID. But it's important to know that it doesn't end there. If they suspect that you committed a crime, they would very likely put cuffs on until they can verify that information and/or take you in while that process plays out. So there can very well be circumstances when it's very much to your advantage to show an ID. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Sep 16 12:16:40 2020, in response to Re: fools. A Lyft Passenger While Black, posted by Easy on Wed Sep 16 11:40:22 2020. A long while back, I had been in a car where the driver was pulled over, and the cop wanted MY ID. I didn't have my wallet on me, (true story). He had me get out of the car and asked me questions, my name, and I assume he looked me up from that info.He also looked the driver I was with up. So YES, white people have this happen to them too. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Sep 16 14:19:31 2020, in response to Re: fools. A Lyft Passenger While Black, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Sep 16 12:16:40 2020. My interpretation/information is universal and not particular to any one race. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Sep 16 14:33:38 2020, in response to Re: fools. A Lyft Passenger While Black, posted by Easy on Wed Sep 16 14:19:31 2020. And it's not you...it's JayZee that assumes this only happens to certain races. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Sep 16 14:37:57 2020, in response to Re: fools. A Lyft Passenger While Black, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Sep 16 14:33:38 2020. I do think that black people, males especially, are treated worse and often assumed to be guilty of something and they just need to find out what it is. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Sep 16 15:15:40 2020, in response to Re: fools. A Lyft Passenger While Black, posted by Easy on Wed Sep 16 14:37:57 2020. The cop had no reason to ask me out of the car, or even ask for my ID, I wasn't driving. I cooperated, and I had nothing to hide. They were respectful, but firm. I was respectful also. The situation could have been escalated very easily |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Sep 16 15:20:01 2020, in response to Re: fools. A Lyft Passenger While Black, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Sep 16 15:15:40 2020. Agreed. I don’t know that I would have done anything differently.But he didn’t make you do anything that you didn’t want to do. That cop didn’t do anything wrong because he asked and you complied. It becomes an issue if you politely declined and then he forced you to do something. There’s nothing wrong with politely declining an officers request imo. And sometimes it makes sense to do so because they can and will be assholes. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Sep 16 15:22:20 2020, in response to Re: fools. A Lyft Passenger While Black, posted by Easy on Wed Sep 16 15:20:01 2020. But he didn’t make you do anything that you didn’t want to do.If I didn't cooperate, things could/would have been different. And I had nothing to hide. If I did, perhaps I would have refused, but then I DID have something to hide, and there would be a reason. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Sep 16 15:40:11 2020, in response to Re: fools. A Lyft Passenger While Black, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Sep 16 15:22:20 2020. Unless I’m misunderstanding, then there’s where I draw a line. If you’re saying that the cop would have forcibly made you comply with a request that’s outside his authority, then I have an issue with that. Our freedoms need to be protected. I really believe that. Just because you’re willing to give up yours doesn’t give you the right to judge others that don’t. In the end, because you willingly complied with a request, not a requirement, you can’t even officially complain about being mistreated. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Sep 16 15:44:22 2020, in response to Re: fools. A Lyft Passenger While Black, posted by Easy on Wed Sep 16 15:40:11 2020. I never said I was mistreated. I said I could have been. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Sep 16 15:48:11 2020, in response to Re: fools. A Lyft Passenger While Black, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Sep 16 15:44:22 2020. I know. But you think that the cop would have escalated. That you didn’t have a choice. If the cop were to escalate, then that would be bad policing on his part. I can’t control that, but I can politely exercise my rights in lieu of potentially being mistreated. Nothing wrong with that is there? Don’t we have that right to not consent to an illegal search? Not saying that I would fight a cop, because I wouldn’t. But can’t I say no thank you? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Sep 16 15:48:26 2020, in response to Re: fools. A Lyft Passenger While Black, posted by Easy on Wed Sep 16 15:40:11 2020. ....Also, not every state has it, but about half have a "stop and identify" law. You can't blanket one states laws and assume another state has the same. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Sep 16 15:49:54 2020, in response to Re: fools. A Lyft Passenger While Black, posted by Easy on Wed Sep 16 15:48:11 2020. Again, it depends on your state and the situation. Some states (about half) have stop and identify laws. You cant assume one state has the same laws as another. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Sep 16 15:58:15 2020, in response to Re: fools. A Lyft Passenger While Black, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Sep 16 15:49:54 2020. My understanding is that Supreme Court of the entire United States says that we have to identify ourselves. We have to say our name and even though only if we are suspected of a crime. We never have to show ID unless we are driving. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Sep 16 17:24:38 2020, in response to Being A Lyft Passenger While Black, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 13 07:23:06 2020. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Wed Sep 16 18:10:25 2020, in response to Re: fools. A Lyft Passenger While Black, posted by Easy on Wed Sep 16 15:20:01 2020. if they have it why would anyone decline to show their id politely or otherwise? you don't think that's a red flag to a cop?if i was a cop first thing i would think would be, hmmmm, what's he hiding? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 16 18:24:07 2020, in response to Re: Being A Lyft Passenger While Black, posted by Train Dude on Wed Sep 16 17:24:38 2020. Has it been confirmed that the person arrested was not infected with the zombie virus? After all, he had the urge to bite living human flesh. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Sep 16 20:21:28 2020, in response to Re: Being A Lyft Passenger While Black, posted by Train Dude on Wed Sep 16 17:24:38 2020. It matches what I’ve been saying. There is no requirement in any state to provide an ID (when not driving). US Supreme Court says so. |
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