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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Mar 18 19:47:21 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Picnicking, posted by bingbong on Wed Mar 18 14:03:39 2020. My God, is there no limit to your hate, you fucking fat cunt? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 18 19:52:04 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Picnicking, posted by Train Dude on Wed Mar 18 19:47:21 2020. What hate? She is full of hatred, but that post is not evidence of it. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Mar 18 21:16:03 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Picnicking, posted by ntrainride on Wed Mar 18 19:40:59 2020. Not there. Try again, boy.. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Mar 18 21:16:32 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Picnicking, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 18 19:52:04 2020. No, I'm not. Z |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Mar 19 11:28:57 2020, in response to Re: A Ray of Hope: was: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Train Dude on Wed Mar 18 13:39:29 2020. I guess "ray of hope" in your mind = "mission accomplished".My "ray of hope" won't begin until after one of the treatments under study is proven to be effective. It won't be "mission accomplished" because there's still the manufacturing and distribution logistics problem to solve. NYC vaccinated 6.3 million residents against smallpox in a 1 month period in 1947. 5 million were vaccinated within the first 2 weeks. The City started with only 650,000 vaccines on hand. This crisis is much bigger because the disease has spread beyond a handful of people and it effects the entire country and the world. That's 6 billion doses to manufacture and a distribution area much larger than NYC's 300+ square miles. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Mar 19 19:23:27 2020, in response to I Am Not Panicking, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Mar 12 20:17:30 2020. Now they are talking about the Corona virus causing a recession. The Democrats never had a better friend than the corona virus. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 19 19:25:27 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Mar 19 19:23:27 2020. Of course it’s going to cause a recession. Look at how it’s already hampered commerce.But that you and the other Cult45ers are looking at it mainly as a boon for the opposition is both sad and frightening. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Mar 19 19:50:07 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 19 19:25:27 2020. Cult45ers? Clever. You come up with that one? |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Thu Mar 19 21:07:01 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Mar 19 19:23:27 2020. BULLSHIT |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Thu Mar 19 21:32:49 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Thu Mar 19 21:07:01 2020. I got your BULLSHIT. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 19 21:38:58 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Mar 19 19:50:07 2020. Nope. I stole it. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Thu Mar 19 22:03:00 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Chicagomotorman on Thu Mar 19 21:32:49 2020. YOU ARE |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Mar 23 13:19:44 2020, in response to I Am Not Panicking, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Mar 12 20:17:30 2020. 
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Mar 23 16:38:29 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Mar 23 13:19:44 2020. “It first struck me how different it was when I saw my first coronavirus patient go bad. I was like, Holy shit, this is not the flu. Watching this relatively young guy, gasping for air, pink frothy secretions coming out of his tube.”Since last week, he’s been running ventilators for the sickest COVID-19 patients. Many are relatively young, in their 40s and 50s, and have minimal, if any, preexisting conditions in their charts. He is overwhelmed, stunned by the manifestation of the infection, both its speed and intensity. The ICU where he works has essentially become a coronavirus unit. He estimates that his hospital has admitted dozens of confirmed or presumptive coronavirus patients. About a third have ended up on ventilators. His hospital had not prepared for this volume before the virus first appeared. One physician had tried to raise alarms, asking about negative pressure rooms and ventilators. Most staff concluded that he was overreacting. “They thought the media was overhyping it,” the respiratory therapist told me. “In retrospect, he was right to be concerned.” This is knocking out what should be perfectly fit, healthy people. “I have patients in their early 40s and, yeah, I was kind of shocked. I’m seeing people who look relatively healthy with a minimal health history, and they are completely wiped out, like they’ve been hit by a truck. This is knocking out what should be perfectly fit, healthy people. Patients will be on minimal support, on a little bit of oxygen, and then all of a sudden, they go into complete respiratory arrest, shut down and can’t breathe at all.”  |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Mar 23 16:56:22 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Mar 23 16:38:29 2020. OMG |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 23 19:18:12 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Mar 23 16:38:29 2020. ProPublica, srsly? |
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Posted by ntrainride on Mon Mar 23 22:29:32 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Mar 23 16:38:29 2020. totally biased "report". this statement:I have patients in their early 40s and, yeah, I was kind of shocked. I’m seeing people who look relatively healthy with a minimal health history, and they are completely wiped out, like they’ve been hit by a truck. This is knocking out what should be perfectly fit, healthy people. Patients will be on minimal support, on a little bit of oxygen, and then all of a sudden, they go into complete respiratory arrest, shut down and can’t breathe at all.” means nothing. it's unscientific hyperbole, it's like saying a rainfall is an ocean falling from the sky. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Mar 24 04:23:44 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Mar 17 16:08:04 2020. Do you genuinely believe that the flu in these modern times has overwhelmed medical facilities to the point where they have to set up ICU units in hallways and parking garages, and start telling patients that they're too old or too sick to get a respirator because there's not enough to go around? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Mar 24 04:28:57 2020, in response to Re: Ohio Panic (I Am Not Panicking), posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Mar 15 06:43:22 2020. Amen, all of these fools that don't understand the concept of exponential growth talking about "where are all the sick people?". 50% of American coronavirus deaths have occurred in the past 3 days, and the deaths are increasing on a daily basis. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Mar 25 10:44:06 2020, in response to I Am Not Panicking, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Mar 12 20:17:30 2020. 
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Apr 2 19:36:02 2020, in response to I Am Not Panicking, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Mar 12 20:17:30 2020. 
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Posted by AlM on Thu Apr 2 19:51:33 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Apr 2 19:36:02 2020. The first cases were detected in the US on 4/17/2009. On 4/26/2009 the US declared a public health emergency.The first case of covid-19 was detected in the US on 1/20/2020. On 1/30/2020, Secretary of Commerce Wilbur Ross noted that the virus was an opportunity for the US to regain manufacturing jobs previously lost to China. On 1/31/2020, the US declared a public health emergency. We will be incredibly lucky if covid-19 only results in 18,000 deaths in the US. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Apr 2 19:53:56 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by AlM on Thu Apr 2 19:51:33 2020. And H1N1 did not result in 18000s deaths. Another myth for the Trumpenproletariat to feast on. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Apr 2 20:04:15 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Apr 2 19:36:02 2020. I do not remember it at all like that.I got a second flu shot. My husband got a flu shot the same day. We went home and got on with our lives. The shots were free. Neither of us had so much as a cold that season.There's no free shot for Covid. The prospect of being on a ventilator doesn't mesh well with getting on with one's life, either. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Apr 2 20:18:16 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Apr 2 19:53:56 2020. And it was less deadly than covid-19. And furthermore, because it was similar to prior strains, a vaccine was developed in 6 months, and older people were typically immune. I know I never got that flu. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 2 20:26:59 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Apr 2 19:53:56 2020. Dr. Frieden has more experience with infectious diseases than is generally known, too. Before he was the head of the CDC under Obama, he was the DOHMH commissioner in NYC. Before that, he was the Medical Control Director with us at the EMS Command. Dr. Frieden made a point of riding with an EMS supervisor at least once a month, to see for himself what was going on with the city's patient population, and that allowed him to get familiar with all kinds of "exotic" pathogens.Dr. Frieden, like Dr. Fauci, is eminently qualified to discuss things like viruses. Too bad the Trumpers refuse to understand these things. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Apr 3 13:01:13 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Mar 25 10:44:06 2020. If you ignored the meida, you would've bought toliet paper months ago. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Apr 3 13:02:30 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 2 20:26:59 2020. flu doesn't kill 50,000 per year either according to Obama's news agency. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Apr 3 13:05:01 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by bingbong on Thu Apr 2 20:04:15 2020. I guess I didn't pay attention to a lot of international news at the time, because I did not know until the thread I made this week that Mexico had a lockdown in 2009.All I heard really was that the flu was worse that year. In response, like today, my employer put a photocopy of the CDC graphic of how to cover your mouth when you sneeze, and maybe wash your hands(as I read it, people were walking out w/o washing). That was the grand advice. I managed to not get a flu at all that year. Never got a shot. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Apr 4 15:51:37 2020, in response to I Am Not Panicking, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Mar 12 20:17:30 2020. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 4 16:07:34 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Apr 4 15:51:37 2020. There are all sorts of forecasting models with various algorithms, assumptions, and they are continually updated with additional data, just like the weather ("European model", etc) |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Apr 4 16:37:23 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Apr 4 15:51:37 2020. OAN |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Apr 4 17:02:27 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Apr 4 15:51:37 2020. The basic problem is that the number of confirmed cases is not leveling off in the UK.This is an exponential model. In ancient times, before computers (BC), there was a fairly simple way to see whether an accumulation was exponential. Plot it on semi-log paper. If it's exponential, it will be a straight line. If the rate of increase is decreasing, the slope will decrease. If the virus is completely eradicated, the slope will be 0, indicating no new cases. Here's a link to a site that plots the day to day accumulation in the UK. The first graph shows the accumulated number of cases vs. date. Select the logarithmic scale. Compare the latest slope with that from March 15th. That's when Dr. Furgeson made his predictions. The fourth graph shows the accumulated number of deaths vs. date. It also has a logarithmic scale. It's also not showing any downturn. Compare that to South Korea. Check the number of cases on the log scale. Notice how the curve starts deviating from its initial straight line upward trajectory. That deviation isn't showing up yet in the UK data. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Apr 4 17:44:08 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Apr 4 17:02:27 2020. Maybe my eyesight is bad, but the rate of increase of new cases does appear to be decreasing on the logarithmic scale. It's been increasing a factor of ten about every 10 days. It's been almost 10 days and it doesn't look like they will get to 100k cases anytime soon, if at all. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Apr 4 18:54:01 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Easy on Sat Apr 4 17:44:08 2020. Maybe my eyesight is bad, but the rate of increase of new cases does appear to be decreasing on the logarithmic scale.You don't have to use your eyesight. You can get the actual number by placing the cursor on the data. It reads 3/14 1,140 3/24 8,077 + 608.5% => 60.85% per day 4/3 38,163 + 372.5% => 37.25% per day That is a decrease but still out of control. Now let's take a look at South Korea Let's start at the initial linear period 2/18 31 2/22 436 +1306% => 327% per day 2/26 1261 +189.2% => 47.3% per day 3/1 3736 +196.3% => 49.1% per day 3/5 6284 +68.2% => 17.1% per day 3/9 7478 +19.0% => 4.7% per day 3/13 7979 +6.7% => 1.67% per day That shows percentage coming down. One way to visualize how well a curve is an exponential on semi-log paper is to put a ruler on it. You can use the edge of a card or paper. The UK curve is pretty straight from March 3rd to yesterday. Here's a link to a table that shows the day-to-day percentage change in NYC. Let's compare the results of NYC vs. South Korea from the 50% increase per day point. In the ROK, it decreased to 1.67% in 12 days. The 50% day was about March 17th. 12 days later, on March 29th it was brought down to 5.8%. South Korea was about 3 1/2 times more effective than NYC. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Apr 4 19:02:52 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Apr 4 18:54:01 2020. Yeah decrease and I disagree with out of control. The curve is flattening. It's not on the way down yet. I agree with that. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sun Apr 5 09:15:06 2020, in response to I Am Not Panicking, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Mar 12 20:17:30 2020. Coronavirus seems to have eliminated all other causes of deaths. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Apr 5 09:23:55 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sun Apr 5 09:15:06 2020. Huh?I see obits with other causes of death. The mother of a friend of my wife's died last week of Alzheimer's. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Apr 5 09:49:27 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sun Apr 5 09:15:06 2020. Wrong. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Apr 5 09:54:17 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Joe V on Sun Apr 5 09:49:27 2020. I think he was making some kind of sarcastic comment (e.g., that any non-coronavirus deaths are being ignored) that doesn't really make sense. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Apr 5 11:43:53 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by AlM on Sun Apr 5 09:54:17 2020. Bill Withers passed from coronary disease, not corona. Every report I’ve seen made a point of mentioning that. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Apr 5 11:45:51 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by bingbong on Sun Apr 5 11:43:53 2020. Yep. "Complications of heart disease" is the last cause of death I heard. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Apr 5 12:46:30 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Apr 4 16:37:23 2020. IAWTP |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sun Apr 5 12:59:51 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Joe V on Sun Apr 5 09:49:27 2020. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Apr 5 13:40:59 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Apr 4 16:37:23 2020. I had never consciously heard of them. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Apr 5 14:46:07 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by AlM on Sun Apr 5 13:40:59 2020. I never did either until I Googled it |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sun Apr 5 16:09:26 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Apr 5 14:46:07 2020. And? |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Apr 7 13:40:23 2020, in response to I Am Not Panicking, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Mar 12 20:17:30 2020. I am more scared of an economy that won't recover than I am of catching a virus. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Apr 7 13:57:30 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Apr 7 13:40:23 2020. Understood. But if too many people catch the virus, the economy will do even worse. Bodies piling up on the street have a long term effect on the economy.Studies from 1918 have shown that US cities that left social isolation in place for longer did better economically than those that cut it short or never really put it into place at all. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 7 14:41:18 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Apr 7 13:40:23 2020. Dow's on its way up today, so don't be that scared. |
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