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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 16 09:38:17 2020, in response to Re: Ohio Panic (I Am Not Panicking), posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Mar 15 11:13:25 2020. So driving a city ambulance has made you an expert on communicable diseases? Time to shut the fuck up and wash your pussy face. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Mar 17 12:53:29 2020, in response to I Am Not Panicking, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Mar 12 20:17:30 2020. 
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 17 13:05:46 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Mar 17 12:53:29 2020. Who is cheering the stock market plunge? Who is cheering the virus? No one is, only bogeymen that are imagined by the right wing fake media. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 17 13:10:07 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 17 13:05:46 2020. Clearly bingbong, clear aspect and tinkerbell all have a perceptible gleeful tone when they report stock market falls. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Mar 17 13:54:17 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 17 13:10:07 2020. I have to agree |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 17 13:58:45 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 17 13:10:07 2020. Bull. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 17 14:03:45 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 17 13:58:45 2020. Cow. Your turn |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 17 14:13:36 2020, in response to I Am Not Panicking, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Mar 12 20:17:30 2020. CDC estimates between 22,000 and 55,000 deaths from the flu between 10/01/19 and 03/07/20. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 17 14:17:34 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 17 14:13:36 2020. Sadly many people ignore the pleas for them to get flu shots. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Mar 17 14:19:11 2020, in response to I Am Not Panicking, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Mar 12 20:17:30 2020. I sure hope you liberals are proud of yourselves.Like this guy? "It's bad. It's bad," Trump said. "Each and every one of us has a critical role to play in stopping the spread and transmission of the virus," Trump said. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Mar 17 14:21:34 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Mar 17 12:53:29 2020. You and your observers are clearly ignoring the truth.The coronavirus crisis was ignored for too long by an “administration” that previously shut down the offices across the executive branch that was best prepared to handle it. That alone put more lives at risk than would have been otherwise. Although much of the current instability in the markets is a result of the virus, there remain several serious fundamentals, such as problems in the bond market, that are intensified it and will remain issues after this epidemic passes. Those will exist no matter who gets elected in November if nothing is done, and the new administration will have to act as needed next year. Hopefully they won’t do too much harm until then. |
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A Ray of Hope: was: I Am Not Panicking |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 17 14:26:18 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 17 14:17:34 2020. In one blind study, a drug known as "Hydroxychloroquine" which has been around since WWII and is used for treatment against Malaria, has been found to ge effective against Corona Virus as a treatment and as a prophylactic. It's a very inexpensive drug in ample supply. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Mar 17 14:28:37 2020, in response to A Ray of Hope: was: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 17 14:26:18 2020. Thank you! |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Mar 17 14:42:01 2020, in response to A Ray of Hope: was: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 17 14:26:18 2020. Don't assume Mission Accomplished.The positive results thus far have been in vitro. The randomized study won't be complete until May. N.B. the effect was discovered in Korea and the trials are being done in Korea. You won't find an American drug company following up such a study because they won't have an exclusive on the drug. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 17 14:49:38 2020, in response to Re: A Ray of Hope: was: I Am Not Panicking, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Mar 17 14:28:37 2020. Let's hope. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Mar 17 15:01:49 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 17 13:10:07 2020. IAWTLP |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Mar 17 15:20:26 2020, in response to I Am Not Panicking, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Mar 12 20:17:30 2020. This corona virus is being blown way out or proportion.Very true. It's overkill, and it's especially political. It is certainly overkill (though maybe that's not the best choice of words). Political? Not in the way you mean it. It is a conspiracy by the liberal media to tank the economy to make President Trump look bad so he won't win re-election. Hardly. Other countries are reacting even more extremely than we are. I don't think the Italian, French, and Spanish governments are too concerned about Donald Trump winning reelection, or not, in the United States. (They may prefer that he doesn't, but that surely is not what guides their domestic policies.) Best I can figure is that this is a power grab by the international "public health" community. Or a result of their inflated sense of their own importance. I read things like "it calls for decisive action until we really get a handle on it. To get a handle on it, we need a few weeks to generate data." Question: who exactly is "we" here? No, since the numbers are still quite small compared to what they call "seasonal flu", it doesn't call for "decisive action". The researchers trying to "get a handle on" this virus do not have the right to shut down society for their benefit. If some hospital does get overcrowded, well, such things have happened before, and the world has not ended. But even that doesn't seem too likely. And this talk by politicians of the "crisis" extending into July or August is just completely off the wall. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Mar 17 15:49:35 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Mar 17 15:20:26 2020. Thank you for giving us your feelings without facts.I did not realize that the seasonal flu overcrowds hospitals so bad that they must decide who has a chance of surviving and who to ignore treatment too. I also didn't realize the flu results in mass graves. dyre dan, jayzeebmt, whoever else with their troll response of: Where are these "graves" and "hospitals" at? Read it instead of asking me to repost. Or look around. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 17 16:06:39 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Mar 17 15:49:35 2020. IAWTP |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Mar 17 16:08:04 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Mar 17 15:49:35 2020. Total U.S. deaths from COVID-19 to date: 85.Total U.S. deaths from flu in 2020: in the thousands. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 17 16:12:03 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Mar 17 16:08:04 2020. Total U.S. deaths from COVID-19 to date: 85.Thank you "overreaction." |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 17 16:44:53 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Mar 17 15:49:35 2020. Wait. According to the Displaced Retardolino, I'm the troll. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 17 16:44:53 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Mar 17 15:49:35 2020. Wait. According to the Displaced Retardolino, I'm the troll. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Mar 17 17:04:37 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Mar 17 16:08:04 2020. And 85 is based on what feeling of yours? That the pandemic is over and there will not be 86 by the time you posted? Bing is telling me 93. Oh, now it's 101. You're already 16% wrong.So, you want to see the projected 24,000,000 dead in the do nothing option? (using a lower calculation than what is likely). Will that impress you? Or are you trying to convince me that the American race is immune and the rest of the world is not? If that is so, what about immigrants? Maybe that's why I haven't seen any of the foreigners I know in weeks, they're not immune! Seriously, we know what it does, we know the models of what will occur with near certainty, and we've seen these play out validly elsewhere. You're like the person watching the hurricane tracker and looking out side and saying, well, there's no wind out there. They're lying! |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Mar 17 17:14:45 2020, in response to Re: A Ray of Hope: was: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Mar 17 14:42:01 2020. Why should a drug company have to follow it up? If a readily available drug shows promise against this disease, why not start giving it now to people who have the disease? It certainly makes no sense to say, on the one hand, that this disease is so dangerous they have to close down schools, restaurants, theaters, etc. to prevent its spread, but on the other hand, that they dare not use a potentially effective treatment on anyone without waiting months for it to go through all the formal protocols that have been established for new drug trials. It's not a new drug. Try it now. (With the informed consent of the patients, obviously, but that shouldn't be hard to obtain, if the disease is as bad as they say.)BTW, I saw an interesting piece about what the origins of this disease may really be at https://greatgameindia.com/covid19-files-scientific-investigation-on-mysterious-origin-of-coronavirus/. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 17 17:29:17 2020, in response to Re: A Ray of Hope: was: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Mar 17 17:14:45 2020. As I understand, it must be approved for specific use. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Mar 17 18:32:47 2020, in response to Re: A Ray of Hope: was: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Mar 17 17:14:45 2020. Why should a drug company have to follow it up? If a readily available drug shows promise against this disease, why not start giving it now to people who have the disease?The initial results were in vitro not on a human. The Koreans are now doing clinical trials. The trials started March 11th. The results may be known as early as May. There's no guarantee that what works in a test tube will work in the human body. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Mar 17 19:09:59 2020, in response to A Ray of Hope: was: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 17 14:26:18 2020. And if it proves to be effective, watch as the producers increase the price by a factor of 10, at least. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 17 19:40:09 2020, in response to Re: A Ray of Hope: was: I Am Not Panicking, posted by 3-9 on Tue Mar 17 19:09:59 2020. Or maybe not ramp up production? What part of "supply and demand" do we disagree with. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 17 20:20:13 2020, in response to A Ray of Hope: was: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 17 14:26:18 2020. Then again, notice how the liberal media has not seen fit to mention this potentially good news amid their 24/7 doomsday predictions. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Mar 18 00:27:40 2020, in response to Re: A Ray of Hope: was: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 17 19:40:09 2020. I don't disagree there is supply and demand. I'm just pointing out that once life and death are factored in, drug manufacturers try to get away with gouging the patients (and frequently succeed). |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Mar 18 11:09:09 2020, in response to Re: A Ray of Hope: was: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Mar 17 18:32:47 2020. "As early" as May? Prescribing drugs "off-label" is legal. Why not try it? If this disease is so frightful that it justifies shutting down schools, libraries, restaurants, theaters, and more, surely it justifies bypassing the usual steps of formal clinical trials and simply letting doctors try this now on people who are ill with the disease. Logically, if it doesn't justify doing that, it doesn't justify all the closures. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 18 11:16:56 2020, in response to Re: A Ray of Hope: was: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Mar 18 11:09:09 2020. You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Mar 18 11:19:18 2020, in response to Re: A Ray of Hope: was: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Mar 18 11:09:09 2020. Will you say this to the families whose loved ones die because "the usual steps of formal clinical trials" were bypassed, further aggravating the problem? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 18 11:21:48 2020, in response to Re: A Ray of Hope: was: I Am Not Panicking, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Mar 18 11:19:18 2020. EXCELLENT POST! |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Wed Mar 18 11:21:51 2020, in response to Re: A Ray of Hope: was: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 18 11:16:56 2020. IAWTP |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Mar 18 11:26:25 2020, in response to Re: A Ray of Hope: was: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Mar 18 11:09:09 2020. “Crash programs fail because they are based on the theory that, with nine women pregnant, you can get a baby a month.” Wernher von Braun. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Mar 18 11:55:54 2020, in response to Re: A Ray of Hope: was: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Mar 18 11:09:09 2020. Logically, if it doesn't justify doing that, it doesn't justify all the closures.I don't see your logic. There are thousands of people ill now in the US, of whom at most hundreds will die or have long term consequences. Yes, that's bad, but most people who have the disease will be fine. Risky medical treatments are not necessarily justifiable at the moment. But the point of the closures is to prevent the disease from spreading to tens of millions of Americans. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Mar 18 11:56:32 2020, in response to I Am Not Panicking, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Mar 12 20:17:30 2020. If Trump acted quickly, they would say he jumped the gun and created panic. If he waited. They would say he's slow to respond, thus putting people at risk.If he responded in perfect time. they would refuse to acknowledge it as perfect. Donald Trump is not my perfect choice but the lesser of many evils Biden is borderline dementia, If he becomes president. It will be the ayatollah obama running things behind the curtain! |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Mar 18 12:03:47 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Mar 18 11:56:32 2020. If Trump acted quickly, they would say he jumped the gun and created panic.Like Ford and the swine flu? Only Republicans, like Michelle Bachmann, accused the President of crying wolf. Unfortunately, she was wrong about which president was responsible. She blamed Carter. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 18 12:06:04 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Mar 18 11:56:32 2020. Donald Trump did wait and was a Coronavirus truther until last week.If he responded perfectly people would have acknowledged that. Biden's alleged dementia would still still be preferable to Trump and his stupidity, and thin skin. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Mar 18 12:35:13 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Picnicking, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 18 12:06:04 2020. proff? |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Mar 18 12:41:22 2020, in response to Re: A Ray of Hope: was: I Am Not Panicking, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Mar 18 11:19:18 2020. Yes. Will you explain the need to follow protocols to the families of people who die from the disease if it turns out that they could have been saved by the use of a drug that was already available, and already thought to be a possible cure? (See, that kind of argument works both ways.) I said try it with informed consent, explaining the risks as well as the possible benefits. Some people, I expect, will be willing to take that risk, and if they are, the families should not second-guess them. (And if it works, it would also save possibly millions from losing their jobs due to all these widespread shutdowns.) |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Mar 18 12:50:15 2020, in response to Re: A Ray of Hope: was: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Mar 18 11:09:09 2020. People are rebelling against the current quarantine measures. This rebellion will increase, if people believe there's a cure that makes such quarantines unnecessary. Some who have not received the drugs, may deliberately place themselves in danger to get in that trial.Suppose we massively treat the public with these drugs and the tests come back negative - none of the drugs (old and new) is effective in treating or preventing Covid 19. Many more people will have now contracted Covid 19 because they did not strictly adhere to the quarantine because they thought such a quarantine was unnecessary. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Mar 18 13:01:56 2020, in response to Re: A Ray of Hope: was: I Am Not Panicking, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Mar 18 11:19:18 2020. I'm going to send your post to those families where you told them they were losing their minds, and the flu is worse. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Mar 18 13:16:02 2020, in response to Re: A Ray of Hope: was: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Mar 18 12:50:15 2020. Excellent explanation. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Mar 18 13:39:29 2020, in response to Re: A Ray of Hope: was: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Mar 17 14:42:01 2020. I guess "ray of hope" in your mind = "mission accomplished".In my mind, the possibility of this drug's potential value should be more widely publicized and under President Trump's previous executive order, people with severe infections should be allowed to use it. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Mar 18 14:03:39 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Picnicking, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 18 12:06:04 2020. Saw his presser earlier, it's quite obvious he's being handled. Now that he's out of the clutches of Jared’s ineptitude, he's reading the script. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Mar 18 15:24:11 2020, in response to Re: A Ray of Hope: was: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Mar 18 13:01:56 2020. Don't argue with the little guy. He's a medical savant. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Wed Mar 18 19:40:59 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Picnicking, posted by bingbong on Wed Mar 18 14:03:39 2020. look up "old crow" in the dictionary. see yourself.now, shut your pie hole. |
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