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Posted by chicagomotorman on Thu Sep 24 01:22:14 2015, in response to Re: The Confederate flag isn’t just offensive. It’s treasonous?, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Tue Sep 22 20:30:30 2015. Again wow! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Sep 24 01:32:10 2015, in response to Re: The Confederate flag isn’t just offensive. It’s treasonous?, posted by chicagomotorman on Thu Sep 24 01:22:14 2015. See? Fred's an old-timey conservative just like me, except that he's still sticking onto his GOP registration. I gave up years ago on it, but then he's in California where the stupidity of what passes for the GOP these days is nowhere near as insane as it is here and elsewhere.Yeah, I flipoff republicans here routinely, but that's because I was born and raised a republican and I *still* care, but not enough to vote for escapees from the loony bin or those who, like these confederate wannabes, insist on being assholes. There's reasons why Unca Fred and I still get along, and I'm loving it. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Sep 24 01:33:48 2015, in response to Re: The Confederate flag isn’t just offensive. It’s treasonous?, posted by chicagomotorman on Thu Sep 24 01:20:23 2015. Yep ... he's MY Pope, and he's doing what few Popes recently have done ... honoring the religious values that *I* grew up with, and spreading the Gospel of truth as to what is righteous and moral. And if you really read and comprehend the Torah, all of what he's talking about is in there too. Moo. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Sep 24 01:38:37 2015, in response to Re: The Confederate flag isn’t just offensive. It’s treasonous?, posted by chicagomotorman on Thu Sep 24 01:21:00 2015. I'd be happy to come back if only the GOP kicked out the loonies, started respecting ALL of America, started rebuilding infrastructure and actually HELPED people "lift themselves up by their bootstraps" and like Nixon (douche that he was) adopted THIS instead of dividing and tearing America apart ... Even NIXON got this part right:  As long as republicans INSIST on tearing us all apart and making us fight one another, I'm just too well to attend. I'll bang in sick, thank you. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Sep 24 10:08:22 2015, in response to Re: The Confederate flag isn’t just offensive. It’s treasonous?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Sep 24 01:32:10 2015. I did not post what I did to get a reaction out of you, or anyone else for that matter except #4 Sea Beach Fred. I know where you stand, I don't agree, but I do respect your opinion, unfortunately you don't respect mine. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 24 10:21:21 2015, in response to Re: The Confederate flag isn’t just offensive. It’s treasonous?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Sep 24 10:08:22 2015. What reaction did you want out of him? Are you surprised by his attitude? Abraham Lincoln was a Republican, you know. And the Democrats were the party of the racist South. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Sep 24 10:21:59 2015, in response to Re: The Confederate flag isn’t just offensive. It’s treasonous?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 24 10:21:21 2015. ignore |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 24 11:01:11 2015, in response to Re: The Confederate flag isn’t just offensive. It’s treasonous?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Sep 24 10:21:59 2015. Ignore what? I'll read whatever the fuck I want. If you want to have a private conversation with someone, take it to email. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Sep 24 11:42:57 2015, in response to Re: The Confederate flag isn’t just offensive. It’s treasonous?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 24 11:01:11 2015. No, I'm ignoring you. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 24 11:55:58 2015, in response to Re: The Confederate flag isn’t just offensive. It’s treasonous?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Sep 24 11:42:57 2015. Why? You should pay attention to what I say. You'll learn something. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Thu Sep 24 12:13:05 2015, in response to Re: The Confederate flag isn’t just offensive. It’s treasonous?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 24 11:55:58 2015. Lol |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Sep 24 12:35:19 2015, in response to Re: The Confederate flag isn’t just offensive. It’s treasonous?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 24 11:55:58 2015. IAWTP. I've learned things. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Sep 24 13:05:53 2015, in response to Re: The Confederate flag isn’t just offensive. It’s treasonous?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 24 11:55:58 2015. No he wouldn't.You are assuming he would be able to comprehend what you say. I highly doubt said assumption is at all sound. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Sep 24 13:20:12 2015, in response to Re: The Confederate flag isn’t just offensive. It’s treasonous?, posted by R30A on Thu Sep 24 13:05:53 2015. He learned the rules for operating a CTA L train. So I think he has the capacity to comprehend, if he would put aside his preconceived notions and biases. |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Thu Sep 24 22:43:34 2015, in response to Re: The Confederate flag isn’t just offensive. It’s treasonous?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Sep 24 00:15:46 2015. Irish-Catholic? Well you better love Irish music because it's my favorite type. Believe it or not we have some real top notch Irish bands out here in So. Cal, the most renowned is the Fenians who play around the country for a few weeks each year.Went to Ireland with them on a fan trip in 2013----best vacation I ever had. If you've never been to the Emerald Isle start planning one Selkirk. You'll never have a better time. Amazing people and beautiful country. And the music? Unbelievable. |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Thu Sep 24 22:51:05 2015, in response to Re: The Confederate flag isn’t just offensive. It’s treasonous?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Sep 24 01:38:37 2015. Nixon hands the chance to do exactly that when he took over a torn country from years riots, war, and college upheavals. He could have been a great president but his suspicions, hatreds, and bunker mentality destroyed him. Sad, too, because he solved the Berlin problem with the Berlin Accord in 1971, the ABM Treaty with the Soviet Union in 1972 and the opening of relations with China the same year. He also got passed a revenue sharing program to send federal money back to the states, but all this came to naught because of a very weird and suspicious personality. Talk about destroying yourself. |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Thu Sep 24 22:57:02 2015, in response to Re: The Confederate flag isn’t just offensive. It’s treasonous?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Sep 24 01:32:10 2015. Selkirk seems to know me better than I know myself. Perhaps the reason I still have loyalty to the GOP is that unlike Unca Selkirk I was once a Democrat and Sergeant-at-Arms for the Young Democrats at my junior college and alma matter. I won't go into why I switched but suffice to say I found my old party to be a pack of liars, hypocrites and phonies living in their gated communities, sending their kids to elite private schools and the only relations they had with blacks was when they used them as choiffers (sic), butlers or maids. Of course my party has some worts too......like being stupid and shooting themselves in the foot.And, NO, I am no RINO. I try to tell it like it is and be as brutally honest as I can be. |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Thu Sep 24 23:04:59 2015, in response to Re: The Confederate flag isn’t just offensive. It’s treasonous?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Sep 24 10:08:22 2015. CM--Sorry I didn't respond to your question but if you'll tell me what you wanted to know I will tell you. I think Spider-Pig got it right. I am an unreconstructed Yankee, a Lincoln idolater who held and still holds the Confederacy with unbridled contempt. I have nothing against the South today because they have come a long way and they are mostly Republican now. In fact, one of their US Senators in African-American, their Miss South Carolina is black and their governor I believe is Indian-American. |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Thu Sep 24 23:09:49 2015, in response to Re: The Confederate flag isn’t just offensive. It’s treasonous?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 24 10:21:21 2015. You nailed it my friend and glad you understand where I'm coming from. One of my real angers today is that my party hardly mentions that we are the party of Lincoln and some don't act anything like him. I hate to say it but some Democrats seem to have adopted Lincoln more than some of my party comrades. Did you know that George McGovern idolized Lincoln, called him the greatest of all Presidents in a short book he wrote about him. That actor Gregory Peck built a log cabin in his back yard to honor the man? Though I am not like him and could never be in his class, Lincoln is my hero and I have a section of one of my rooms dedicated to him.Anyway, I'm proud to call myself a Lincoln Republican. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Sep 24 23:31:21 2015, in response to Re: The Confederate flag isn’t just offensive. It’s treasonous?, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Thu Sep 24 22:43:34 2015. Irish-Catholicism is the same as Socialism. They are different than mainstream Catholics.Irish priests are smart, but too Leftist because of their bad blood with England. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 25 01:05:11 2015, in response to Re: The Confederate flag isn’t just offensive. It’s treasonous?, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Thu Sep 24 22:43:34 2015. Heh. I actually can't stand the stuff, bagpipes (either Scots or the cheap Irish ones with less pipes) drive me up a wall. Sounds like they're torturing a cat. Then there's accordions. Yeah, I actually can play one, but that's another sound that is absolutely contrary to the Geneva convention. :)But it's cool, I hate Opera too (more choking kitties to my ears) but I go for anything from doo-wop (when done right) to the latest ear torture from the likes of Deadmau5 and other techo-synthesizer trying to strangle a damned cat sounds as well. Heh. Ireland is way cool, unless you're female, but even over there thanks to Il Papa, they're suddenly getting some religion on that shit too! I LOVE this Pope! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 25 01:08:49 2015, in response to Re: The Confederate flag isn’t just offensive. It’s treasonous?, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Sep 24 23:31:21 2015. Yep ... them patent leather shoes of Catholic girls are gonna rope your ass in every time! :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 25 01:12:46 2015, in response to Re: The Confederate flag isn’t just offensive. It’s treasonous?, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Thu Sep 24 22:51:05 2015. Yep. *MY* main issue with Nixon was the henchmen he surrounded himself with who only played into that in order to get their own yayas. When Reagan came in and brought in pretty much the SAME bunch of thugs, that's when I piped off the ship. Whilst Nixon was in there, I worked for the press and had to cover all that shit. I got to deal with a few of those folks and it REALLY pissed me off what scumbags they all were. When Reagan brought so many of them back in, that was the end. Reagan surrounded himself with the craziest of the crazies. :(But yeah, even including the opening up to China, that was all useful and good stuff. If ONLY it had taken its proper course instead of having it all hijacked by Wall Street for their OWN greed. Relax though, bro ... it ain't election year yet, but there's reasons for my shitty attitude. (grin) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 25 01:17:35 2015, in response to Re: The Confederate flag isn’t just offensive. It’s treasonous?, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Thu Sep 24 22:57:02 2015. Heh. There you are! I was with republicans since my parents were property owners upstate and as loyal as republicans can get to the party as you can possibly get.But what REALLY made me stick when I reached voting age was those weekend conversations (QSO'S) with Barry Goldwater who like me was an avid ham radio operator. And once the other hams snatched their "QSL card" (verifies contact with a particular person or station) I could spend an hour or two alone with Barry talking stuff over aside from the occasional interruption. I blame Barry personally for how I turned out, spent more time with him than my parents. Heh. We REALLY need to do something about the hijackers of the GOP and do like Jesus did in the temple. Let them line up with Trump's third party party and let them consort with Ross Perot's crazy aunt in the basement. (grin) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 25 01:24:38 2015, in response to Re: The Confederate flag isn’t just offensive. It’s treasonous?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Sep 24 10:08:22 2015. I actually do, but I'm begging you to equally respect mine as far as this stuff goes. Disagreement is one thing, animosity with me is entirely out of bounds. I don't diss people, and I expect a little reciprocity for that.Those who want to be assholes get laughed at and played with, all others get a cheerful response. It's not like I'm getting paid for this. Heh. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Sep 25 10:19:32 2015, in response to Re: The Confederate flag isn’t just offensive. It’s treasonous?, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Thu Sep 24 23:04:59 2015. Fred please let me clarify my position on the Confederate Flag. I do not like, nor hate the Confederate Flag. I am neutral. I am a northerner. Born in Detroit, raised and still living in Chicago.The Confederate Flag does represent Sothern heritage, and I do respect that, and their right to fly it. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Fri Sep 25 10:22:59 2015, in response to Re: The Confederate flag isn’t just offensive. It’s treasonous?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Sep 25 10:19:32 2015. Would you respect the right of a Neo-Nazi to fly the Nazi Flag claiming it represents his/her heritage? The Confederate battle flag represents armed rebellion against the United States and that is treasonous. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Sep 25 10:26:25 2015, in response to Re: The Confederate flag isn’t just offensive. It’s treasonous?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Sep 25 10:19:32 2015. Sothern heritage... |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 25 10:32:10 2015, in response to Re: The Confederate flag isn’t just offensive. It’s treasonous?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Sep 25 10:19:32 2015. A heritage of treason.If they didn’t want to glorify treason and slavery, they’d fly OUR flag: The Stars and STRIPES. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Sep 25 10:32:27 2015, in response to Re: The Confederate flag isn’t just offensive. It’s treasonous?, posted by mtk52983 on Fri Sep 25 10:22:59 2015. Is your name #4 Sea Beach Fred? |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Sep 25 10:32:41 2015, in response to Re: The Confederate flag isn’t just offensive. It’s treasonous?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Sep 25 10:26:25 2015. Is your name #4 Sea Beach Fred? |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Sep 25 10:32:54 2015, in response to Re: The Confederate flag isn’t just offensive. It’s treasonous?, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 25 10:32:10 2015. Is your name #4 Sea Beach Fred? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 25 10:33:50 2015, in response to Re: The Confederate flag isn’t just offensive. It’s treasonous?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Sep 25 10:32:54 2015. Why don’t you post a serious response to a post for once? |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Sep 25 10:36:04 2015, in response to Re: The Confederate flag isn’t just offensive. It’s treasonous?, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 25 10:33:50 2015. You're mad because I don't hate the Confederate flag? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 25 10:37:31 2015, in response to Re: The Confederate flag isn’t just offensive. It’s treasonous?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Sep 25 10:36:04 2015. Yes, essentially. It’s either ignorant or malicious. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Fri Sep 25 10:38:41 2015, in response to Re: The Confederate flag isn’t just offensive. It’s treasonous?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Sep 25 10:32:27 2015. No. Now answer my question. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Sep 25 10:49:57 2015, in response to Re: The Confederate flag isn’t just offensive. It’s treasonous?, posted by mtk52983 on Fri Sep 25 10:38:41 2015. To compare the Confederate Flag to the Nazi flag is an insult to my heritage. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Sep 25 10:55:14 2015, in response to Re: The Confederate flag isn’t just offensive. It’s treasonous?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Sep 25 10:49:57 2015. Not this again... |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Fri Sep 25 11:10:06 2015, in response to Re: The Confederate flag isn’t just offensive. It’s treasonous?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Sep 25 10:49:57 2015. You spit on your heritage when you support the battle flag of those who engaged in armed rebellion against the country your father bravely fought for. |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Fri Sep 25 15:11:06 2015, in response to Re: The Confederate flag isn’t just offensive. It’s treasonous?, posted by mtk52983 on Fri Sep 25 11:10:06 2015. mtk---CM does not love the Confederate flag but believes people in the South have a right to show it and fly it. It doesn't mean he endorses the Rebel cause in the Civil War. He just isn't as emotionally charged as some of us are seeing the Stars and Bars. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Sep 25 15:14:21 2015, in response to Re: The Confederate flag isn’t just offensive. It’s treasonous?, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Fri Sep 25 15:11:06 2015. I agree that individual people have the right to show and fly the Confederate Flag.And I have the right to think they're idiots for doing so. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Sep 25 15:14:36 2015, in response to Re: The Confederate flag isn’t just offensive. It’s treasonous?, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Fri Sep 25 15:11:06 2015. you're all putting too much thought into this shit.Confederate flag is the redneck lifestyle flag like the Italian flag in NY/NJ is the guido flag. Or something like that. Most people I see with the Confederate flag are low-income whites, into country music, cheap beer, and country music. Not refined people like the people from up north. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Sep 25 15:17:21 2015, in response to Re: The Confederate flag isn’t just offensive. It’s treasonous?, posted by AlM on Fri Sep 25 15:14:21 2015. they just don't see the flag like you do.No everyone can be so well-educated and blessed to be from NYC the the AlMighty you. For most people who fly the flag, it's the flag of the lower middle-class white America of cheap beer, country music, blue collar, F-150, lifestyle. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 25 15:50:59 2015, in response to Re: The Confederate flag isn’t just offensive. It’s treasonous?, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Fri Sep 25 15:11:06 2015. No, he thinks it’s a valid symbol of Southern Culture. That’s different. I think we both agree that people have a right to fly it, just not that they’re correct in doing so. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Sep 25 15:56:07 2015, in response to Re: The Confederate flag isn’t just offensive. It’s treasonous?, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 25 15:50:59 2015. it is a symbol of southern culture. That's why the Dukes of Hazard producers understood why the flag belonged on the General Lee.Leftists want to impose their thinking on others. Erasing the flag from mainstream culture is the goal. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Sep 25 16:08:29 2015, in response to Re: The Confederate flag isn’t just offensive. It’s treasonous?, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Fri Sep 25 15:11:06 2015. Exactly Fred. Thank you. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Fri Sep 25 16:10:19 2015, in response to Re: The Confederate flag isn’t just offensive. It’s treasonous?, posted by mtk52983 on Fri Sep 25 11:10:06 2015. What about when you support the Stars and Stripes which engaged in an armed invasion attacking its own citizens? |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Sep 25 16:16:55 2015, in response to Re: The Confederate flag isn’t just offensive. It’s treasonous?, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Sep 25 15:56:07 2015. OK, at least be real about it. "Southern culture" as symbolized by the Confederate battle flag, is all about slavery and Jim Crow. In South Carolina's Articles of Secession, delivered when the South fired on Fort Sumter, the rebels made it abundantly clear that the issue in controversy was slavery, not shipping rights, "Dixieland heritage", or any other red herring.Why isn't flying such an offensive symbol of an indefensible institution any different than flying the swastika? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Sep 25 16:31:34 2015, in response to Re: The Confederate flag isn’t just offensive. It’s treasonous?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Sep 25 16:16:55 2015. How come you won't reply to my angle on same-sex marriage? You handily beat Terrapin Station and it was beautiful to watch. Am I right at least about the lesbians?I think the swastika repped a much broader and darker ideology than the confederate flag being displayed by poor southern whites today. To them it's about lifestyle and class more than anything else. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Fri Sep 25 16:32:11 2015, in response to Re: The Confederate flag isn’t just offensive. It’s treasonous?, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Sep 25 16:31:34 2015. " To them it's about lifestyle and class more than anything else. "That's the best way it's ever been put. |
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