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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 26 14:22:14 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by AlM on Thu Sep 22 19:31:32 2016. I appreciate tips one, two and three, but they do not apply to the current discussion because my wheels were pointed straight and I never try to squeeze into a pedestrian gap that is too small.Your fourth tip would be illegal since the law requires you to make a right turn into the closest lane. Your fifth tip asks I do something illegal. Is that supposed to make me a better driver? Your last two tips also do not apply to me since I do not do otherwise to what you stated I should do. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 26 14:25:36 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Sep 22 23:24:45 2016. When I reached the point above, there was no indication that anyone was about to cross the street and the street looked like as in your diagram. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 26 14:29:37 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Fri Sep 23 00:52:56 2016. So you are saying I shoukd have been able to read people's minds and know they wanted to cross even if in the first two seconds no one put their foot in the crosswalk.You already stated I shoukd not have waited the two seconds but shoukd have proceeded immediately Are you saying now that two seconds wasn't long enough for he to wait and I just shoukd have stayed in one place until someone "woke up" and realized it was time to cross? You can have it all ways and be right in every instance. Well, maybe you can because you are always right and knows more than anyone else in the unverse about everything. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 26 14:35:29 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 26 14:22:14 2016. Regarding the fourth tip: it is in fact NOT illegal. So you've been driving like a spaz all these years because something you believe is illegal really isn't? You are an awful driver. SMDH! |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 26 14:40:42 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Fri Sep 23 12:27:28 2016. So what are you saying? I though you were reasonable and really wanted to have a discussion.Apparently that is not the case. You already stated that the jaywalkers were WRONG. Yet that still does not make my actions correct? I stopped to allow them to cross. WAS THAT WRONG? I certainly was alert FOR ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING. That was why I proceeded at a slow speed like 10 mph after making my turn. Being cautious caused the pedestrians to try and outrun me outside the crosswalk. So should I have not been cautious and driven faster after making the turn so no one probably would have cut in front of me? That is a big "probably" and the consequences would have been too dire if I was wrong. So I DECIDED TO ERR ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION? Was I wrong in doing that? So you are saying that although I did everything properly, I should not have been surprised that the pedestrians would take advantage by being selfish and inconsiderate to cut me off and therefore I should not be driving. I think you are being ridiculous. Apparently with the crowd here I will always be wrong whatever driving decision I make. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 26 14:42:09 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Fri Sep 23 00:59:05 2016. Thank you, but that was not a hypothetical situation. It was what happened. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 26 14:45:11 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Sep 23 10:02:14 2016. Yes, of course if the first pedestrian did not make the move he did, there is a chance somene else would have. But I think the chance is small that would have ocurred because the person who made the first move was in front and someone else would have had to get around him. That probably wasn't possible given the size of the crowd. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Sep 26 14:45:43 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 26 14:35:29 2016. Regarding the fourth tip: it is in fact NOT illegal.Thank you. I was wondering but didn't see the point in responding. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 26 14:46:59 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by R30A on Fri Sep 23 13:24:08 2016. That is not what the law states and there were no menacing drivers chasing anyone anywhere. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 26 14:50:18 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Fri Sep 23 01:03:19 2016. But it would have not been a safe move since someone at any time could have stepped into the gutter. And if so, I would have been cutting him off by not giving him the right of way. Then someone could rightly say I was menacing and chasing pedestrians out of the crosswalk. But I didn't do what you say I shoukd have done. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 26 14:53:06 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Fri Sep 23 01:05:39 2016. No ones safety would have been compromised by me continuing (at that time) which is why there was no reason to stop again at the crosswalk threshold. It was only after I passed the crosswalk threshold that that idiot stepped outside the crosswalk and started running across in case I would not slow down.So there is nothing new you are telling me I don't know already. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 26 14:53:18 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by AlM on Fri Sep 23 09:06:32 2016. No it isn't. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 26 14:55:52 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Sep 23 10:17:06 2016. In 99 percent of the cases when someone is near the crosswalk and looking in the direction he wants to go, it is obvious he wants to cross before he steps into the crosswalk.Exceptionally crowded intersections are the exception, not the rule. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 26 15:03:58 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by AlM on Fri Sep 23 09:04:31 2016. Did you or did you not read my explanation of events?Here it is again: http://www.subchat.com/buschat/read.asp?Id=318545 Yes 20 pedestrians were walking outside the crosswalk (in front of my car and more behind my car) and none were walking in it because I was blocking the entire crosswalk because I had to stop to let the first idiot who decided to cut me off the opportunity to cross. Yes, I didn't have to stop. I cou, have just let him run or run faster to finish crossing. But what if he tripped and fell? THE PRUDENT THING WAS TO STOP AND BLICK THE CROSSWALK. Once I blocked it, the other 19 people crossed until one smart pedestrian decided not to follow the others and let me complete my turn. So the story certainly is plausible if you just bother to read the explanation instead of automatically draw conclusions on facts you want to believe even if they did not occur. So I had a perfect right to BLICK the crosswalk under the circumstances. It was a better alternative than to possibly strike a pedestrian. SO NOW WILL YOU ADMIT I WAS CORRECT IN MY ACTIONS? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 26 15:08:05 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Sep 23 10:06:24 2016. As I stated, the only reason to stop at the crosswalk threshold is not to strike a pedestrian or if you believe you will not be able to make the turn on the current green signal. I do not see your point about getting additional cars through the intersection. It is not legal to turn into any other lane than the right lane if you are making your turn from the right lane. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 26 15:10:45 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by fdtutf on Fri Sep 23 14:20:11 2016. I am telling you exactly what happened. Apparently you are not willing to hear it BECAUSE THE PEDESTRIANS ARE CLEARLY WRONG.Stephen's point IS IRRELEVANT BECAUSE NO PEDESTRIAN STEPPED INTO THE CROSSWALK WHILE THE SIGNAL WAS GREEN UNTIL AFTER I LEFT THE INTERSECTIONAND CLEARED THE CROSSWALK. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 26 15:13:11 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Sep 24 12:01:33 2016. As I stated, I had no problem with the pedestrians crossing behind my car even if it was illegal. Perhaps if there was a car behind me he would have had a problem because their actions may have caused him to wait another cycle since he would not have been able to approach the crosswalk threshold.Will you admit I was correct? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 26 15:17:38 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Sat Sep 24 20:31:15 2016. Nothing fishy because that is the truth. I really do not care who doesn't believe me anymore. |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Sep 26 15:46:05 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 26 14:12:55 2016. "If they were any closer and within the crosswalk, I would not have been able to stop for them."Your words clearly admit your guilt despite denying such repeatedly. |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Sep 26 15:48:31 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 26 15:17:38 2016. Protip: If nobody believes what you say, you are probably saying something which is impossible to believe or have completely destroyed your credibility.(perhaps I have used the wrong conjunction, but I chose to make a statement which can apply universally, not solely to BB.) |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Sep 26 15:53:52 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by R30A on Mon Sep 26 15:48:31 2016. I am reconciled to never finding out, for my entire life, what happened at 8th Ave and 42nd St on that fateful evening. :) |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Sep 26 15:54:10 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 26 14:46:59 2016. "If they were any closer and within the crosswalk, I would not have been able to stop for them."If you can't stop for a pedestrian who has the right of way, you are in violation of the law. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Sep 26 16:27:41 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 26 14:25:36 2016. If that is the case, then the decision to go should be made, such that you traverse the crosswalk in one to two seconds. If a pedestrian somehow manages to get from the curb to in front of your car in less than two seconds, I would take that as erratic and/or suicidal.I bear in mind that in that area and around Midtown as others have stated, one does not expect pedestrians to act so innocently as to always cross within the lines of the crosswalk or in a totally predictable manner. That does not legalize jaywalking, but I'm just saying. What I would suggest, however, is that if you do not make the resolute decision to go when you are at the crosswalk threshold and everything is clear -- that is that instead of just traversing the crosswalk in one motion you move so slow as to confuse the pedestrians or make them think you are not sure about your turn, then you are inviting pedestrians to come off the curb and get in your way, and that could be what happened here - I don't know. Even in Manhattan if I was at the crosswalk threshold and saw no obstruction (only people on the sidewalk), my foot would go to the gas pedal and there would be no chance for anyone to come off the crosswalk to get in front of me unless they were obviously attempting suicide. The only exception may be if I was exceptionally close to the curb (like less than 5 feet) where just stepping off the curb puts you in my path. There certainly would not be much time for me, once in the crosswalk, to move from the gas to the brake and achieve a full stop all while still remaining in the crosswalk. That's hard to do. I too hope to put this sub-thread to an end. I think I've said all I can though. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Sep 26 16:29:35 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Sep 26 16:27:41 2016. Correction: "my foot would go to the gas pedal and there would be no chance for anyone to come off the sidewalk to get in front of me. . ." |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Sep 26 16:51:14 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 26 14:50:18 2016. In ordinary circumstances when a pedestrian steps off the curb, you should either see him doing so from enough of a distance that enables you to yield at the crosswalk threshold, or see him doing it at too short a distance for it to even matter whether or not you stop since at a reasonable walking speed he should not reach your driving path before you pass.If there is any grey area there, such that the distance is too short for you to yield and yet you would end up blocking him from crossing, there are three possible explanations that I can think of: 1) Your speed is too high to account for the pedestrian 2) Your speed is too low such that you are in the crosswalk for longer than a reasonable time (a second or two) 3) The pedestrian is crossing in such a way (running irresponsibly or unpredictably) that makes yielding practically or totally impossible I am inclined to consider your conundrum at 42nd and 8th to be a combination of #2 and #3. All #3 if you resolutely decided to go when you were at the crosswalk threshold without an obstruction, but maybe more #2 if you were not so resolute. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Sep 26 16:57:45 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by R30A on Mon Sep 26 15:54:10 2016. I would just say, however, that even pedestrians with the right of way are subject to legal restrictions.§ 1151.(b) No pedestrian shall suddenly leave a curb or other place of safety and walk or run into the path of a vehicle which is so close that it is impractical for the driver to yield. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Sep 26 17:06:44 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 26 14:55:52 2016. In 99 percent of the cases when someone is near the crosswalk and looking in the direction he wants to go, it is obvious he wants to cross before he steps into the crosswalk.I agree. But again all it means to the driver is that you may soon, even very soon, have someone to yield to, not that it is already time to yield. You have to draw the line somewhere, and the law draws it at the curb. The crosswalk does not occur on the sidewalk. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Sep 26 17:13:15 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 26 15:08:05 2016. You can pull out to the crosswalk threshold to yield and still turn into the closest driving lane. Being at the crosswalk threshold not only increases the chances of other cars turning after you on the same green but also gives you a better look at the road you are turning onto. The near-curb ends up slightly behind you, but remains within sight when you turn your head, which one naturally does when safely turning. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Mon Sep 26 17:35:01 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 26 15:10:45 2016. Stephen's point IS IRRELEVANT BECAUSE NO PEDESTRIAN STEPPED INTO THE CROSSWALK WHILE THE SIGNAL WAS GREEN UNTIL AFTER I LEFT THE INTERSECTIONAND CLEARED THE CROSSWALK.Right, because you selfishly made it unsafe for them to do so and then blocked the crosswalk entirely. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 27 00:10:07 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by R30A on Mon Sep 26 15:46:05 2016. +556 |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 27 00:10:58 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 26 14:12:55 2016. In fact I gave them an extra two seconds in order to stRt crossing, something I was also criticized for by those who said I should have just turned when the signal turned green.Rightly so. You should not have waited. That was wrong. Had I done that, then the possibility I scared them out of the crosswalk could have existed.Nope. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 27 00:12:14 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 26 14:15:54 2016. And I was being perfectly safe, not dangerous at all,Wrong. You caused a dangerous condition by SITTING at a green light when there was absolutely no reason to! I mean WHO THE F does that????? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 27 00:13:38 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 26 14:35:29 2016. own3d |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 27 00:13:50 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by AlM on Mon Sep 26 14:45:43 2016. haha@brooklynBUS |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 27 00:15:34 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Sep 26 16:27:41 2016. If a pedestrian somehow manages to get from the curb to in front of your car in less than two seconds, I would take that as erratic and/or suicidal.Which is why his story makes no sense, as I have been saying. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 27 00:18:50 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 26 14:29:37 2016. So you are saying I shoukd have been able to read people's minds and know they wanted to cross even if in the first two seconds no one put their foot in the crosswalk.Are you asking me or telling me? Don't tell me what I'm saying. But you can ask me if you want. You already stated I shoukd not have waited the two seconds but shoukd have proceeded immediately Are you saying now that two seconds wasn't long enough for he to wait and I just shoukd have stayed in one place until someone "woke up" and realized it was time to cross?No, of course not. Why would I change what I'm saying? Maybe that's something you do but I certainly would not just go and do that without making it very clear that I am changing what I am saying. LOL. You can have it all ways and be right in every instance.Ok...? Well, maybe you can because you are always right and knows more than anyone else in the unverse about everything.Your words, not mine. Thank you for the kind (though hilariously incorrect and stupid) words. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 27 00:19:38 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 26 14:40:42 2016. Apparently with the crowd here I will always be wrong whatever driving decision I make.Wrong. But you will be wrong whenever you're wrong. Which is almost always. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 27 00:21:50 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Sep 23 10:02:14 2016. I see your point,Thanks. but it would require all of the pedestrians being on the same page. If only one doesn't catch the "plan," it doesn't work, which is why in most cases that I've seen, whenever there are multiple pedestrians that are strangers to each other, they will just go on their "walk," regardless of the number of turning cars.So are we to infer that most pedestrians are dicks to cars when they have the chance to not be dicks? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 27 00:22:14 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 26 14:42:09 2016. I doubt that very much. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 27 00:24:23 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 26 14:50:18 2016. But it would have not been a safe move since someone at any time could have stepped into the gutter. And if so, I would have been cutting him off by not giving him the right of way.No, you still would not have been wrong. That's a red herring / false conclusion you keep bringing up even after I've told you to stop. Then someone could rightly say I was menacing and chasing pedestrians out of the crosswalk.No, you still would not have been wrong. That's a red herring / false conclusion you keep bringing up even after I've told you to stop. But I didn't do what you say I shoukd have done.Which means you did it wrong! Turn in your license now. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 27 00:26:47 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 26 14:53:06 2016. No ones safety would have been compromised by me continuing (at that time) which is why there was no reason to stop again at the crosswalk threshold.Obviously. It was only after I passed the crosswalk threshold that that idiot stepped outside the crosswalk and started running across in case I would not slow down.And now your story changes AGAIN. So there is nothing new you are telling me I don't know already.Wrong. This is something new I am telling you that you didn't already know: You should have pulled up to the crosswalk and ONLY stopped at the crosswalk threshold IF there were pedestrians whose safety would be compromised by you continuing. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 27 00:27:17 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by AlM on Fri Sep 23 09:06:32 2016. haha! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 27 00:27:49 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 26 14:53:18 2016. No it isn't.Yes it is. See here: So there is nothing new you are telling me I don't know already. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 27 00:28:57 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 26 15:03:58 2016. Listen Dick BLICK. No one is buying what you are selling. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 27 00:30:55 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 26 15:08:05 2016. As I stated, the only reason to stop at the crosswalk threshold is not to strike a pedestrian or if you believe you will not be able to make the turn on the current green signal. I do not see your point about getting additional cars through the intersection.You shouldn't have waited when the light turned green. The only place to wait, when necessary, is at the crosswalk threshold. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 27 00:31:48 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 26 15:10:45 2016. Stephen's point IS IRRELEVANT BECAUSE NO PEDESTRIAN STEPPED INTO THE CROSSWALK WHILE THE SIGNAL WAS GREEN UNTIL AFTER I LEFT THE INTERSECTIONAND CLEARED THE CROSSWALK.You didn't clear it. You were IN it. In it to WIN it. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 27 00:33:10 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 26 15:13:11 2016. You were not correct, based on what you have written. At the very least, you should not have sat in place when the light turned green. Were you waiting for an invitation? For someone to light a fire under your ass? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 27 00:33:56 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by R30A on Mon Sep 26 15:48:31 2016. Great post! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 27 00:36:06 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 26 15:17:38 2016. Nothing fishy because that is the truth.No, it definitely sounds fishy. I really do not care who doesn't believe me anymore.Then why do you post here? Hardly anyone here who replies to you believes you. And it's been that way for years. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Sep 27 09:38:49 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 27 00:21:50 2016. I think of it more that a large group (such as dozens of pedestrians waiting to cross), especially in the rushed atmosphere of Midtown, will be too disorganized to arrange for a group waiting period while a car goes by. At least in the front line of pedestrians, they would all have to make some sort of contact with each other that they are going to let the car go by, and then the car driver has to trust that this has been accomplished. Sounds on the difficult side. I don't think I can blame anyone. |
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