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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Sep 18 21:27:44 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by fdtutf on Sun Sep 18 20:49:07 2016. Waiting was wrong. If you wait, you screw up traffic operations. Signal timings aren't designed with the assumption that everyone waits two seconds before going. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Sep 18 23:25:03 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Sep 18 18:17:35 2016. From the NYS Vehicle and Traffic Law§ 1112. Pedestrian-control signal indications. Whenever pedestrians are controlled by pedestrian-control signals exhibiting the words "WALK" or "DON'T WALK", or exhibiting symbols of a walking person or upraised hand, such signals shall indicate and apply to pedestrians as follows: (a) Steady WALK or walking person. Pedestrians facing such signal may proceed across the roadway in the direction of the signal and shall be given the right of way by other traffic. (b) Flashing DON'T WALK or upraised hand. No pedestrian shall start to cross the roadway in the direction of such signal, but any pedestrians who have partially completed their crossing on the WALK or walking person signal shall proceed to a sidewalk or safety island while the flashing DON'T WALK or upraised hand signal is showing. (c) Steady DON'T WALK or upraised hand. No pedestrians shall start to cross the roadway in the direction of such signal, but any pedestrians who have partially completed their crossing on the WALK or flashing DON'T WALK signal shall proceed to a sidewalk or safety island while the steady DON'T WALK signal is showing. § 139. Right of way. The right of one vehicle or pedestrian to proceed in a lawful manner in preference to another vehicle or pedestrian approaching under such circumstances of direction, speed and proximity as to give rise to danger of collision unless one grants precedence to the other. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Sep 19 00:13:41 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Sep 18 23:25:03 2016. pwn3d, again |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Sep 19 02:03:33 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Sep 18 21:26:01 2016. There's a few 2-3 minute light cycles up here, but even thinking of NYC there's some that come close - one example is if you were on Queens Blvd headed westbound at 63rd drive. The light cycle is dumb:1. cross traffic gets 45 seconds (reasonable) 2. Then eastbound traffic gets 30 seconds with a protected left 3. Then both directions can go for 30 seconds. 4. Then back to eastbound only with a protected left for 15 more seconds. If you are headed westbound and just missed the light, you are waiting 1:30 before you can go. |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Sep 19 07:42:28 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Sep 19 02:03:33 2016. 90 seconds is normal. But that doesn't mean you'll have been waiting several minutes. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Mon Sep 19 08:11:30 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 16 13:43:54 2016. All that said, I still believe that the vast majority of drivers are responsibleWrong - - the vast majority of drivers don't know what a STOP sign means. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Sep 19 09:03:43 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Mon Sep 19 08:11:30 2016. I would call it minimally responsible. Barely responsible enough. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Sep 19 09:08:55 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Mon Sep 19 08:11:30 2016. the vast majority of drivers don't know what a STOP sign means.??? |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Sep 19 09:38:53 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Sep 19 02:03:33 2016. Bear in mind the interaction with nearby/adjacent intersections. Yes, maybe if this particular intersection was the only intersection around then maybe it might make sense to adjust the entire cycle length or any of its segments, but it has to be fitted to work with the general traffic flow (e.g. not being red while every other Queens Blvd light is green, etc.).BTW does the cycle you describe have deviations based on time of day? Queens Blvd is often set up for sequencing lights in a particular direction. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Sep 19 09:49:27 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Mon Sep 19 08:11:30 2016. I think they know what it means, but if slowing to 5 to 7 MPH instead of 0 MPH does not seem to be impacting the safety of themselves or others, they are willing to break the law since the vast majority of these occasions does not result in being pulled over. They know what it means, but "who does that?" so they don't care.One true safety issue at STOP signs, however, is that drivers forget about the possibility of pedestrians (who can be crossing but hidden behind parked cars or other obstacles), often planning to stop before getting to a lane crossing rather than the pedestrian crossing. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Sep 19 11:42:51 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by AlM on Mon Sep 19 09:08:55 2016. AFAIK he's referring to the fact that many people don't come to a complete stop. |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Sep 19 11:45:33 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Sep 19 07:42:28 2016. Oh, the cycle length is 2 minutes. Ok, that's a bit long but still not several minutes. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Mon Sep 19 12:44:46 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Sep 19 11:42:51 2016. Exactly. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Mon Sep 19 12:46:01 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Sep 19 09:49:27 2016. And that's why pedestrians would rather let the car go by instead of crossing the street, even when they have the right-of-way at a crosswalk or unmarked intersection. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Mon Sep 19 12:58:36 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 16 14:00:24 2016. I don't want to open up the discussion about the 34 St elevator, but I don't remember being wrong on that. My point was they could have referred riders to the PATH elevator and I believe you or someone else took issue with that saying it was not under their control so the MTA was correct in not mentioning it.I did, right here. The ramp was too steep to make that suggestion to the MTA that they should use the PATH elevator by the JC Penney entrance to Manhattan Mall - - that ramp is clearly not ADA compliant based on my research on the law and the comparison of this ramp to others, such at the 41st Street passageway from the 7 line to the A/C/E station at the Times Square/Port Authority Bus Terminal complex. I do not understand your point about Woodhaven Blvd extending into Howard Beach/Lndenwood. You said it The small sign posted on the right said (side) of Woodhaven Blvd saying exit only to 153 Avenue, should not have said "exit" either but just "153 Avenue". 153rd Ave is in Howard Beach/Lindenwood - - and intersects with Cross Bay Blvd, not Woodhaven Blvd which I said Woodhaven Blvd does not extend to 153rd Ave. Thats Cross Bay Blvd. Woodhaven Blvd runs only between Liberty Ave and Queens Blvd. You were the one who made the wrong statement and you tell me that you don't understand how Woodhaven extends into 153rd Ave? You should have looked at a map or something before making that incorrect statement. As far as my anti-SBS articles, I have made plenty of alternate suggestions. In fact the MTA is currently reviewing one of my specific SBS proposal improvement suggestions. This time I was assured they would seriously consider it rather than automatically just dismiss it. I should be hearing back any day now. That's one good thing which the MTA can listen to. |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Mon Sep 19 13:09:10 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Sep 19 07:42:28 2016. Sometimes you wait as much as 3-4 minutes at the start/end of the morning or afternoon rush - - this is the cycle the traffic signals for green time in the peak direction during rush hours. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Mon Sep 19 13:13:59 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Sep 18 14:10:29 2016. If they are on the sidewalk at the curb facing in the direction to cross the street, you need to wait for them to cross first if that is their intention. I waited two seconds in order to determine if they wanted to cross. When no one stepped off the curb, I assumed they did not want to cross the street which turned out to be the wrong assumption since it turned out they just weren't paying attention to the signal. They only realized the signal had changed AFTER I STARTED TURNING AND THEN THEY CUT ME OFF FORCING ME TO STOP. The pedestrians were clearly wrong in this instance.If they are on the curb, no foot on the crosswalk, you go make your turn. If one or both feet are on the crosswalk, you must yield the right-of-way, unless they tell you to pass and it is clear they don't want to cross until you go first. By a pedestrian using hand or voice actions to signal the driver that the driver goes first, they are giving up the right-of-way. Me, I kinda insist that they cross but it depends on who is behind me. If nobody is behind me, I tell them to cross first (safely, of course). |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Mon Sep 19 14:15:55 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Mon Sep 19 13:09:10 2016. You wait 3-4 minutes during one cycle or during multiple cycles? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 15:41:59 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Sep 18 18:53:12 2016. The difference is three seconds. Apparently you don't even know math. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 15:47:07 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Sep 18 18:54:13 2016. I never forced them out of the crosswalk because THEY WERE NEVER IN THE CROSSWALK.They crossed outside the crosswalk because I was already in it because they did not start walking until three seconds after the light changed when they shoukd have started walking immediately. ONCE I WAS BLOCKING THE CROSSWALK THEY SHOULD HAVE WAITED FOR ME TO PASS ( which would have taken only two seconds) AND THEY WOULD HAVE HAD IT ALL TO THEMSELVES INSTEAD OF CROSSING IN FRONT OF ME NOT ALLOWING ME TO LEAVE THE CROSSWALK. |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 15:47:56 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Sep 18 18:55:11 2016. Which is where I did wait. |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Sep 19 15:50:09 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 15:47:07 2016. Stop driving for the sake of humanity. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 15:52:36 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Sep 18 18:59:47 2016. Anyone who starts driving before the car ahead starts moving and just assumes the car ahead will move is an idiot and a poor driver and that includes you |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 15:54:00 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Sep 18 19:01:59 2016. No one said anything about making a 90 degree turn. We were talking about straight driving. Quit changing the subject. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 15:56:15 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Sep 18 19:02:41 2016. But that is exactly what you said.That I should not have waited two seconds but should have immediately started turning which I did. Then I would have cut off those wanting to cross. |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Sep 19 15:56:53 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 15:54:00 2016. So you went straight into a bunch of pedestrians who had the walk sign? That means you blatantly ran a red light. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 15:58:45 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by fdtutf on Sun Sep 18 20:49:07 2016. I never bitched about pedestrians wanting to cross. They had every right to do so, BUT WITHIN THE CROSSWALK. Since they forced me to stop short for them by crossing in front of me OUTSIDE THE CROSSWALK which is ILLEGAL, the pedestrians clearly were in the WRONG. There is no question about that, |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 16:01:18 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Sep 18 21:27:44 2016. You certainly ARE NOT screwing up traffic operations because at many high volume pedestrian crossings, pedestrians are given a five second lead time so they can start crossing before the cars start making their right turn.The only reason why this intersection did not give pedestrians a lead is that right turns are banned before 8 PM. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 16:01:19 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Sep 18 21:27:44 2016. You certainly ARE NOT screwing up traffic operations because at many high volume pedestrian crossings, pedestrians are given a five second lead time so they can start crossing before the cars start making their right turn.The only reason why this intersection did not give pedestrians a lead is that right turns are banned before 8 PM. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 16:01:19 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Sep 18 21:27:44 2016. You certainly ARE NOT screwing up traffic operations because at many high volume pedestrian crossings, pedestrians are given a five second lead time so they can start crossing before the cars start making their right turn.The only reason why this intersection did not give pedestrians a lead is that right turns are banned before 8 PM. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 16:02:12 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Sep 18 19:03:34 2016. Certainly your implication if you say anyone at the meeting making a suggestion was wrong. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 16:03:12 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Sep 18 19:04:22 2016. Not if you are making the right turn from the right or curb lane. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 16:04:46 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by R30A on Mon Sep 19 15:50:09 2016. That's all you can say? Why don't you addres the issues. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 16:06:42 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by AlM on Sun Sep 18 19:40:06 2016. Everything you just said is correct.But why do t you admit the pedestrians were wrong by crossing outside of the sidewalk in front of me forcing me to block it? That is whT this discussion is about. |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Sep 19 16:07:22 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 16:04:46 2016. Because they have already been addressed. Multiple times. By multiple people including myself. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 16:07:37 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Sep 18 19:50:37 2016. I did not have to be told that because that is the way I drive. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 16:11:57 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by AlM on Sun Sep 18 20:12:25 2016. Untrue. I never believed I have a god given right to run anyone down who gets in my way. Stop making up lies. If that were true, I would have run them over or blew my horn for them to get out of the way. I DID NEITHER. I STOPPED TO LET THEM CROSS ALTHOUGH THEY HAD NO BUSINESS CROSSING OUTSIDE OF THE CROSSWALK. That was the problem. They were too impatient to wait two seconds to let me finish their turn. If they would have started to cross when the signal turned green or within two seconds, there would have been nothing to write about.Why do you believe a pedestrian can never be wrong and any conflict has to be the fault of the motorist? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 16:14:08 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Sep 18 23:25:03 2016. How does any of this answer my question? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 16:19:23 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Mon Sep 19 13:13:59 2016. Which is exactly what I did. No one put his foot in the gutter to cross. In fact I waited two seconds for them to do that. Since there were like fifty people crowded on the sidewalk at the intersection it was not possible to determine if anyone wanted to cross the street, or were just sightseeing admiring the buildings or talking on their cell phones, texting or talking to their friends.The problem occurred when they realized the signal had changed after I started to name my turn and decided to run in front of me and cross outside the crosswalk forcing me to stop and stay there for about ten seconds as 20 or so people crossed in front of me with others crossing behind me also outside of the crosswalk since I was forced to stop blocking all or most of it. |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 16:24:01 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by R30A on Mon Sep 19 15:56:53 2016. What nonsense are you talking about now. Haven't you been following the discussion?The pedestrians crossed in front of me OUTSIDE OF THE CROSSWALK after they forced me to block it AFTER WAITING FOR THE SIGNAL TO TURN GREEN SO I COULD MAKE A RIGHT TURN. This was due to the fact that they did not start crossing when the signal turned green although I gave them two extra seconds to start crossing. I DID NOTHING WRONG. The actions by the pedestrians crossing in front of me WERE ILLEGAL. Because I spite of what you believe, PEDESTRIANS DO NOT HAVE A GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO CROSS THE STREET WHEREVER AND WHENEVER THEY PLEASE. |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 16:25:49 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Sep 18 20:44:03 2016. I waited two seconds because it was difficult for me to believe that with 50 people at the intersection that not one person wanted to cross the street. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 16:30:12 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Sep 18 19:05:46 2016. That is what you said. If I run into the reference I will post it but I won't wast my time searching through a hundred of your posts to find it. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 16:38:01 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by R30A on Mon Sep 19 16:07:22 2016. This is the issue and you nor anyone else addressed it:Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 15:47:07 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Sep 18 18:54:13 2016. I never forced them out of the crosswalk because THEY WERE NEVER IN THE CROSSWALK. They crossed outside the crosswalk because I was already in it because they did not start walking until three seconds after the light changed when they shoukd have started walking immediately. ONCE I WAS BLOCKING THE CROSSWALK THEY SHOULD HAVE WAITED FOR ME TO PASS ( which would have taken only two seconds) AND THEY WOULD HAVE HAD IT ALL TO THEMSELVES INSTEAD OF CROSSING IN FRONT OF ME NOT ALLOWING ME TO LEAVE THE CROSSWALK. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 16:45:26 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Sep 18 19:05:46 2016. You said it right here:http://www.subchat.com/buschat/read.asp?Id=318338 You said others would do it and so would you. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 16:52:54 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Mon Sep 19 08:11:30 2016. They know what it means. They just believe it makes no sense to come to a complete stop when there is no pedestrian, bicycle, or any other vehicle within 50 feet of the intersection, so instead they slow down to 2 mph. That dies not make them irresponsible drivers.When I took sociology in college, our teacher asked us to survey for 30 minutes how many drivers do not come to a complete stop if there are no cars in front of them. I found 95 percent of drivers did not come to a complete stop. The lesson we were supposed to have learned was just because you make a law doesn't mean anyone will listen. But if you want to use that as your example, you could come to the same conclusion regarding pedestrians who jaywalk and cyclists who run red lights and conclude neither of those groups are responsible either since the percentages of those groups who violate those laws are also probably near 95 percent, |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 16:53:50 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Mon Sep 19 12:46:01 2016. Sometimes true but not always. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 16:59:54 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Mon Sep 19 12:58:36 2016. I get your point about the ramp not being ADA compliant and now can see the MTA's point. However, I would say most up who use MTA elevators are not in wheelchairs and the ramp would be a non-issue. The MTA still could have let people known about the elevator and also noted that it wasn't suitable for wheelchairs because of the ramp. It would have been a service to their non-handicapped users with strollers or suitcases. I realize that legally they did not have that obligation.Regarding Woodhaven, that was a dumb mistake on my part. |
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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvdn medians done |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 17:07:31 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvdn medians done, posted by R30A on Fri Sep 16 09:57:22 2016. My letters are all intelligent and I have been told that by numerous individuals who you would call idiots. On of those is a retired psychology professor. I suppose she is also an idiot. Or is your definition of "idiot" anyone who agrees with me and not with you?No an existing condition is not synonymous with an existing plan because there are many existing conditions that were never planned. They just happened. An existing plan is a plan that exists now and will be implemented in the future. Once it is implemented (unless it is recurring) at that point it ceases to be a plan but is an existing condition that resulted from a plan being put in place. Now do you understand? |
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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvdn medians done |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 17:13:22 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvdn medians done, posted by R30A on Fri Sep 16 09:58:15 2016. No one here has made detailed line by line responses without changing what I stated or misinterpreting what I stated either deliberately or accidentally.You are just making things up. I refused to continue the discussion where you pretended to discuss the issues because you failed to carry any point to its logical conclusion. You either changes the topic, misquoted me, or used circular reasoning. I won't waste my time with someone who does that just to insist he is correct because one can never win such an argument where the target keeps moving. Only a few here are willing to have real discussions like Wakefield. |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 19 17:35:27 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 15:47:56 2016. AND THAT IS WHY YOU WERE WRONG! |
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