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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 20 22:31:49 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Sep 20 21:52:16 2016. Right. It makes no sense. And I told him that. But he insists it's a reading comprehension problem (which is precious, coming from him). So either he's wrong or you and I both have a reading comprehension problem. LOL!!! |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 20 22:34:20 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Sep 20 22:03:47 2016. EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why is this so hard for him to understand? My guess is that he's a terrible driver and has no clue about transportation planning and is generally wrong in almost everything he does. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 21 02:34:54 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 20 19:25:20 2016. Probably because he was aggressive and timid at the same time. I see drivers like that all the time. They neither proceed forward when they have the chance to do so nor do they stop when the see a pedestrian a car length ahead of them. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Sep 21 03:07:11 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Sep 20 21:50:27 2016. At this point,its apparently clear that none of this is going to be resolved. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Wed Sep 21 08:08:22 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 20 19:24:09 2016. He said something stopped at the intersection.I can't make head or tails on what he said - - like you posted, his story has more holes than the "Gauntlet" bus. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Wed Sep 21 08:11:17 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 20 16:22:13 2016. Check where??? You said it, not me. Now you don't remember what you posted? |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Sep 21 08:53:03 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Wed Sep 21 08:11:17 2016. I don't recall him ever giving the exact intersection but I could be wrong. |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Sep 21 09:26:52 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Sep 21 08:53:03 2016. I thought it was 8th and 42nd. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Sep 21 09:37:51 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by AlM on Wed Sep 21 02:34:54 2016. I think I figured it out. This is what I think happened:0 seconds: Light turns green, pedestrians get "walk." Pedestrians do not go, whether because they do not notice the sign or they are not sure if they want to go, or whatever. BrooklynBus waits at stop bar rather than proceeding to crosswalk threshold. +2 seconds (or so): BrooklynBus decides to go, but so do the pedestrians. BrooklynBus does not think of the crosswalk threshold as a yielding location and so ends up in the crosswalk, encountering the pedestrians there. He stops short right there, meaning the pedestrians have to work around him. It's all speculation of course but this is my only way so far of making sense of this. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Sep 21 09:46:23 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by R30A on Wed Sep 21 09:26:52 2016. I would think a legal turn there is almost, maybe totally, impossible if you wait at the stop bar for pedestrians to clear, especially at an hour like 7p.m. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Wed Sep 21 10:55:40 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 20 17:45:52 2016. You want me to give you one actual example and pretend it is representative?Why not? You might as well join the BrooklynBus party. Might be fun. :-P |
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Posted by fdtutf on Wed Sep 21 10:58:42 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Sep 21 09:37:51 2016. This is pretty much what I was imagining. You put it much more clearly than I had. Thank you. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 21 11:10:33 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Sep 21 09:37:51 2016. Yes, that sounds exactly like it. The crosswalk threshold is the correct yielding location. Had he been prepared to stop there, this would have never happened. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 21 11:14:30 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Wed Sep 21 08:08:22 2016. Excellent film reference. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 21 11:24:43 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by R30A on Wed Sep 21 09:26:52 2016. Could be. Google Street View shows no right turn from 42nd onto 8th 7 AM to 7 PM except buses. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Wed Sep 21 12:22:16 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by R30A on Wed Sep 21 09:26:52 2016. 8th Ave northbound, right onto West 42nd Street going east has no turn restrictions.West 42nd Street westbound right onto 8th Ave is no right turn from 7 AM to 7 PM, except buses. It's not that intersection. The only intersection I know is southbound 7th Ave onto 34th Street but that's no turns (no left or right) 8 AM to 8 PM everyday. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Wed Sep 21 12:23:32 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 21 11:14:30 2016. LOL, that was a great Clint Eastwood movie. |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Sep 21 12:29:40 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Wed Sep 21 12:22:16 2016. You assume Mr. Rosen is correct in his assertions as to the hours of and existence of any such restriction.Not safe assumptions to make. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Wed Sep 21 12:53:00 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by R30A on Wed Sep 21 12:29:40 2016. I never assumed Mr. Rosen is correct. He is wrong unless he proves to me that there is a no right turn only restriction which ends at 8 PM. The norm from my keen observations is most turn restrictions with a specific time, usually end at 7 PM, not 8 PM.He couldn't tell where Woodhaven ends and Cross Bay Blvd begins - - and he admitted to that mistake. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Sep 21 14:27:37 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Wed Sep 21 12:53:00 2016. No, R30a means BrooklynBus may have meant 7pm, as he himself already admitted. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Sep 21 14:28:37 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by R30A on Wed Sep 21 09:26:52 2016. If so then the whole idea was ridiculous from the beginning! Of course people walk outside the crosswalks there!!!! |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Sep 21 14:55:48 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Sep 21 14:27:37 2016. While I believe that is one of the possibilities, I wouldn't rule out the total lack of a turn restriction either. |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 14:58:17 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 20 16:52:37 2016. I still do not understand why a pedestrian has to have at least one foot in the gutter in order for him to have the right of way if he wants to cross. Why would someone endanger themselves if cars have already started turning? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 15:01:01 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 20 16:54:22 2016. Yes. No one started to cross until I went into my turn after waiting two seconds for them to begin. I suspect many were too busy with their smartphones and were too distracted to notice the signal change. Others behind may have noticed but obviously could not me forward if the people in front of them were not. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 15:03:12 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 20 16:17:59 2016. If I didn't stop to block the crosswalk, I would have struck those who decided to cross in front of me just outside the crosswalk. Should I have continued driving? Of course not. I had no choice. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 15:04:21 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 20 19:24:09 2016. No I explained why I stopped. In order not to hit pedestrians crossing outside the crosswalk in front of me. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 15:14:16 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Sep 20 21:52:16 2016. For the third time, I started making the right turn when after two seconds after the signal changed not one pedestrian started crossing, so I assumed I had the right of way. Once I started turning and was partially blocking the crosswalk, pedestrians started crossing in front of me outside the crosswalk. So by the time I came to a full stop in order not to hit them, I was fully blocking the crosswalk. At that point in time, others started crossing behind my vehicle. After about 10 or 15 seconds when I was stopped and counted 20 people crossing in front of me, they finally allowed me to continue and get out of their way at which time the remainder of the pedestrians crossed normally within the crosswalk.My point was that since they did not start crossing on time and if they allowed me the two seconds to get out of the intersection, they could have crossed normally. But they were too impatient. And most here accuse drivers of being the impatient ones. It just amazes me that not a single one of you will admit I did nothing wrong and that the pedestrians were wrong. And that so many of you say you can't understand what happened or say I keep changing my story which is not true. It also amazes me that this incident that took under one minute has been discussed for a month because you are all trying to make it appear that I am in the wrong. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 15:16:21 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Wed Sep 21 08:08:22 2016. There is absolutely nothing wrong with what I have stated. There are no holes in it.Here it is for the last time: Just admit the pedestrians were wrong so we can stop this. http://www.subchat.com/buschat/read.asp?Id=318545 |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 15:17:08 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Tue Sep 20 17:41:13 2016. It's 42 Street and 8th Avenue. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 15:18:49 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Wed Sep 21 08:11:17 2016. I know what I posted. And the original posted had the intersection. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 15:18:58 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Sep 21 08:53:03 2016. I know what I posted. And the original posted had the intersection. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 15:19:09 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by R30A on Wed Sep 21 09:26:52 2016. Correct. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 15:19:58 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by AlM on Wed Sep 21 11:24:43 2016. So it is 7 PM not 8 PM |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 15:21:50 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by R30A on Wed Sep 21 12:29:40 2016. What are you talking about?He posted the restrictions. And the westbound from 42 Street restriction is the applicable restriction. Quit trying to undermine my credibility. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 15:23:11 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Wed Sep 21 12:53:00 2016. So I made a small mistake by thinking it was 8PM not 7 PM. Big deal and irrelevant since I made the turn at 10:30 PM. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 15:24:07 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by R30A on Wed Sep 21 14:55:48 2016. As I stated, quit trying to undermine my credibility. Admit the pedestrians were wrong already for heaven's sake. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 15:25:59 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Sep 21 14:28:37 2016. So that makes them right?And they weren't walking outside the crosswalk after I passed the crosswalk, so your assumption is wrong. They walk outside the crosswalk when something is in their way. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 15:33:03 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Sep 20 21:50:27 2016. I already explained it in detail in the post below:http://www.subchat.com/buschat/read.asp?Id=318545 |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 15:35:31 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Edwards! on Wed Sep 21 03:07:11 2016. I explained everything quite clearly here.http://www.subchat.com/buschat/read.asp?Id=318545 This is only continuing because no wants to admit the pedestrians were wrong and what I did was correct and prudent. I gave pedestrians smoke time to start crossing, yet those here claim I was wrong and immediately shoukd have started turning. If I did, I still would have been wrong because they would say I failed to give the pedestrians the right of way. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Sep 21 15:39:06 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 15:14:16 2016. Many here would say that you should have stopped at the crosswalk threshold. That is the point of yielding. Between the stop bar and the crosswalk threshold you still have time to decide to yield at the crosswalk threshold without blocking the crosswalk. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 15:39:18 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Sep 20 19:50:13 2016. So all this time when I have been seeing pedestrians about to enter the crosswalk, I have been wrong by letting them go first. Now I guess I should cut them all off until they place their foot in the gutter and then make a short stop to let them cross.That really sounds a lot safer to me. LOL. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 15:42:32 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 20 19:25:20 2016. As I stated, when I entered the crosswalk, they started crossing about a car length in front of me just outside the crosswalk forcing me to make a quick stop so I could stop just before hitting them. Since I was going less than 10 mph, I was able to stop in time. So when I stopped, they were just in front of me and I was blocking the entire crosswalk because of them. The alternative to not stopping would have been to hit them. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 15:42:47 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by AlM on Wed Sep 21 02:34:54 2016. No. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 15:44:02 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Sep 21 09:37:51 2016. No that is not what happened.They never started to cross in the crosswalk while I was moving. http://www.subchat.com/buschat/read.asp?Id=318545 |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 15:44:37 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by fdtutf on Wed Sep 21 10:58:42 2016. He is wrong and so are you.This is what happened: http://www.subchat.com/buschat/read.asp?Id=318545 |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 15:45:05 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 21 11:10:33 2016. No that is not what happened.This is: http://www.subchat.com/buschat/read.asp?Id=318545 |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 21 15:48:31 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 15:24:07 2016. Admit the pedestrians were wrong already for heaven's sake.A pedestrian who entered the intersection on a walk light is never wrong. It's that simple. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 15:48:40 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 20 17:45:52 2016. You stated it was way greater than five feet as I suggested. Of course you wou,don't give any number. So how about a range for more than one case? Or will you weasel out of that also as I expect. You always claim I am wrong, but you won't commit yourself to a specific response so someone can challenge you.So I am not asking for a specific example and pretend it is representative. I am asking for a range. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 15:49:32 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 20 19:23:11 2016. It has not changed.Here it is again for the 20th time: http://www.subchat.com/buschat/read.asp?Id=318545 |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 15:54:55 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 20 17:41:24 2016. There is no way you can protect yourself from bad drivers and anticipate every possibility.When on a highway, are you never supposed to drive in the left lane because of the possibility someone going the other way may unexpectedly jump the divider? Are you never supposed to drive behind a flatbed truck because sone cargo may become dislodged? You are being ridiculous because you can't protect yourself from every situation. If I would have started to immediately turn, you would complain I cut off the pedestrians by not allowing them to cross first. You would have stated that with so many pedestrians waiting, I should have known they intended to cross the street. No matter what I would have done, you still would have insisted I was wrong. |
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