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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 15:59:16 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Sep 20 22:03:47 2016. Yes and their were over 50 people on the sidewalk at that time right near the intersection. So it seemed obvious that at least one of them intended to cross Eighth Avenue.We are not talking about people running out into the street erratically so that is irrelevant. As I stated this is what happened: http://www.subchat.com/buschat/read.asp?Id=318545 |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 15:59:47 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 20 22:34:20 2016. This is what happened:Why is it so hard for you to understand? http://www.subchat.com/buschat/read.asp?Id=318545 |
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Posted by fdtutf on Wed Sep 21 16:00:54 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 15:54:55 2016. There is no way you can protect yourself from bad drivers and anticipate every possibility.And yet that's exactly what you expect pedestrians to do. I've seen you demand that pedestrians not look at their phones when crossing the street with the right of way, because a car's brakes might fail. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 16:02:30 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 20 15:39:43 2016. But if I didn't wait the two seconds, the circumstances still would not have changed. Everything would have happened two seconds earlier. So this entire discussion of waiting the two seconds or not is not really relevant to the pedestrians BEING WRONG by crossing outside the crosswalk forcing me to block it.http://www.subchat.com/buschat/read.asp?Id=318545 |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 16:02:31 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 20 15:39:43 2016. But if I didn't wait the two seconds, the circumstances still would not have changed. Everything would have happened two seconds earlier. So this entire discussion of waiting the two seconds or not is not really relevant to the pedestrians BEING WRONG by crossing outside the crosswalk forcing me to block it.http://www.subchat.com/buschat/read.asp?Id=318545 |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 16:03:04 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 20 17:43:39 2016. So what did you say? |
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Posted by fdtutf on Wed Sep 21 16:05:29 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by AlM on Wed Sep 21 15:48:31 2016. DINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDINGWe have a winner. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 21 16:11:55 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by fdtutf on Wed Sep 21 16:00:54 2016. And yet that's exactly what you expect pedestrians to do.It's what I try to do as a pedestrian. I wish I didn't have to, but it's a matter of self-preservation. I've done over 300,000 Manhattan street crossings in my years of commuting to work, and I'm not sure I would have survived them all if I hadn't been more careful than I am legally obligated to be. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 16:15:10 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 20 17:50:03 2016. You stated parts of how I described the situation were "incorrect."That is saying I wasn't accurate. If you have excellent reading comprehension, then you wouldn't have any trouble understanding what happened at 10:30 PM going west on 42 St and turning north on Eighth Avenue as described below: http://www.subchat.com/buschat/read.asp?Id=318545 |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Sep 21 16:15:48 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 15:44:02 2016. So the pedestrians were already outside the crosswalk as you were entering it. That would mean the pedestrians jaywalked right? I can understand that. That would answer my question "What made you stop?" Answer: jaywalkers. Those particular pedestrians would then have been acting illegally no matter the color of the light. |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 16:17:51 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 20 19:20:25 2016. You were talking about the guy behind me who may or may not have wanted to turn right. If not he would have been going straight. But it really doesn't matter what he intended to do anyway. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 16:18:34 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 20 19:21:05 2016. Quit picking on every word. Most all. Happy now? |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Sep 21 16:19:30 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 16:02:30 2016. Ok so no matter when you made the turn (when the light changed or a few seconds later) you would have been blocked by the ongoing jaywalking. . .is that your point? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 16:24:12 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Sep 21 15:39:06 2016. I still say the distance was negligible. Only that if I did slightly move, perhaps that would have given the pedestrians a clue that the signal had changed and they would have started walking. But since when is it the motorists job to inform pedestrians when they should start walking.The only purpose I see to advance to the crosswalk threshold is if people are already crossing and you think the signal might turn red for you before you are able to make your turn. But intersections were three or more cars need to turn right or left and only one can get through per cycle because there are do many pedestrians crossing, need to be looked at anyway for a better design. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Sep 21 16:24:51 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 15:35:31 2016. Like I said,the opposition...its unlikely that anything will change. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 16:26:00 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by AlM on Wed Sep 21 15:48:31 2016. He certainly is if he is crossing outside of the crosswalk which is way happened. In fact 20 were crossing outside of the crosswalk forcing me to block it because they weren't paying attention that the signal had changed to walk.SO ADMIT IT NOW! |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 16:26:45 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by fdtutf on Wed Sep 21 16:05:29 2016. http://www.subchat.com/buschat/read.asp?Id=318584 |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 16:31:49 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by fdtutf on Wed Sep 21 16:00:54 2016. Yes. I expect pedestrians to be responsible just like I expect drivers to do the same.It is responsible to pay attention to your surroundings and not assume every driver sees you. Pedestrians should take the extra step and wear something light or reflective at night and not wear solid black. It is unfair to put the onus on drivers to be safe, pretending pedestrians can do whatever they like including jumping out from between parked cars because of their "god given" right to walk wherever and when ever they please as you once stated. Safety is everyone's responsibility not only the motorist''s. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 16:38:57 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Sep 21 16:15:48 2016. No they were not already outside the sidewalk as I was entering it. As I was entering the crosswalk, the coast was clear for me to sail on through. But one person followed by 19 others decided to run in front of my car by about a car length forcing me to stop just as I reached them. I was still driving very slow because of the numbers of pedestrians in the area (about 5 mph) so I was able to stop without my brakes screeching.Of course someone could argue that since there were no cars or pedestrians in front of he, I shoukd have just acceleated to 25 mph, so as not to give them the opportunity to cut me off. However, I didn't realize that being cautious was a crime because had I been going faster and someone still decided to run in front of me, most likely I would not have been able to stop in time. Then things would have been much worse which is why I chose caution instead and proceeded slowly across the intersection. So am I still wrong or were the pedestrians wrong? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 16:40:06 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Edwards! on Wed Sep 21 16:24:51 2016. With the crowd here, you may very well be right.But what do you think? Who was right and who was wrong? Me or the pedestrians. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 21 16:41:51 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 15:35:31 2016. For the third time, I started making the right turn when after two seconds after the signal changed not one pedestrian started crossing, so I assumed I had the right of way.Your assumption was wrong. It's that simple. The pedestrians had every right to daydream and not start crossing immediately on getting the walk signal. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 16:43:13 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Sep 21 16:19:30 2016. Although it is not possible to predict 100 percent what would have happened under an alternate scenario, yes, most likely the outcome would have been the same had I made the turn two seconds earlier and I still would have been blocked by jaywalkers unless I drove faster after making the turn which would have increased the likelihood of not being able to stop in time if someone was in front of me jaywalking. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 16:44:18 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by AlM on Wed Sep 21 16:41:51 2016. Okay, but they did not have the right to jaywalk. Correct? And that made them wrong. Yes? |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Sep 21 17:15:20 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 16:38:57 2016. You are saying that you were forced to stop by people outside the crosswalk: those would be jaywalkers. Jaywalkers are wrong.But it is still murky for me because you said this: "No one started to cross after the two seconds. They only started after I was blocking the crosswalk" here: http://www.subchat.com/buschat/read.asp?Id=318479 Such a statement makes it seem like everyone waited until you randomly stopped in the crosswalk and then decided to cross. Now that I know what made you stop, can we say that you meant that nobody obeying the law started to cross after the two seconds, but the jaywalkers were already in action? If this is the case -- that you stopped because of jaywalkers who left you no choice but to block the intersection, I can sympathize, but please understand that it has been difficult picturing this. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Wed Sep 21 17:24:02 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 15:14:16 2016. How were you blockimg the crosswalk? Were pedestrians already jaywalking outside of the crosswalk (when you approached them) or were there vehicles in front of you as you were making your turn, thus causing spillback and thats when the pedestrians started jaywalking in front of you when you stopped over the crosswalk? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 17:43:33 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Sep 21 17:15:20 2016. "Such a statement makes it seem like...".I don't see why it does. Everyone did not wait until I "randomly" stopped in the crosswalk. And I do not understand the use of the word "random". Because I did not randomly stop. I stopped for a specific reason so as not to hit the crossing jaywalkers. They started to cross while I was still moving and nowhere did I indicate otherwise so I do not understand your confusion thinking they first started to cross after I stopped. The only ones who did so were the ones who crossed legally after I left the intersection. I also would like to add that I had no problem with those illegally crossing behind my car since they did not affect me. But they affected cars behind me who also might have wanted to bake a right turn by preventing them from reaching the crosswalk threshold insuring no other car would be able to turn right on that signal which wasn't fair to the following cars either. Sorry if you were having trouble picturing this but I have tried to make it as clear as possible. It was the first time that something like this happened to me and I felt the need to mention this because of all the anti-motorist comments and that pedestrians are always correct. But I never envisioned it would turn into such an epoch. But now that I think of it after the law was supposedly explained, perhaps the notion that so many drivers do not give pedestrians the right of way when they supposed to is exaggerated if it is true that a pedestrian first gas to step in the gutter and cutting off a pedestrian from crossing when he still gas both feet planted on the sidewalk is legal. The problem I see with that is if you are already making your turn and then a pedestrian puts his foot in the gutter, it is already too late to stop to let him cross since you cannot step on a dime which is why I think most drivers just continue unless the pedestrian is well in front of him. Thanks at least fir admitting that jaywalkers are wrong. Wonder if the others agree with that. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 18:14:41 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Wed Sep 21 17:24:02 2016. There were no vehicles. They were already jaywalking outside the crosswalk. They started crossing a second after I started turning. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 21 18:15:23 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 16:44:18 2016. Not if they were forced out of the crosswalk by your blocking it. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 21 18:30:17 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 15:45:05 2016. And as we've already pointed out to you, had you correctly stopped at the crosswalk threshold, then you would have been in the right place to yield to any pedestrians, or there would have been no pedestrians to yields to (as they wouldn't have started crossing) and you'd have been clear. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Wed Sep 21 18:31:57 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 18:14:41 2016. That last two sentences contradict each other. That does not make any sense for you to say they were already jaywalking when your next and last sentence shows they started crossing a second after you started to make your right turn at 10 PM |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 21 18:34:10 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 14:58:17 2016. THIS post more than anything shows your attitude and those of some (many) other drivers. The pedestrians have the right of way. It is too bad that the idiot drivers can't be the ones endangered by pedestrians crossing with the light and drivers failing to yield the right of way. CUT UP YOUR LICENSE NOW. YOU ARE ADMITTING TO BEING AN UNSAFE DRIVER.And yes, when I am a pedestrian (which is less often than when I am a driver), I step onto the crosswalk when I have the right of way because otherwise the bad drivers like you would never stop. To be fair to many drivers, there is no way to know if the pedestrian is going to cross the street unless they step into the crosswalk. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 21 18:36:37 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 15:01:01 2016. Or, more likely, unwilling to endanger themselves before a horrible driver like you, they waited to ensure that no one was turning into the their lane. As there was no one approaching the crosswalk, it was safe to assume that there wasn't. There was no need to look behind the stop line for an idiot who wasn't moving despite the light having turned green. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 21 18:37:25 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 15:03:12 2016. Yes, you had no choice to do what you did because the die was cast when you decided not to drive properly in the first place. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 21 18:41:20 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 16:24:12 2016. The distance was not negligible. The crosswalk to cross 42nd, plus the curb lane together is at least around 20 feet. That is a noticeable distance. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 21 18:42:28 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 15:16:21 2016. The issue is not that the pedestrians were wrong. You were wrong and you are the only witness here. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 21 18:45:57 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 16:40:06 2016. Have you ever thought that the two are not mutually exclusive? |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Sep 21 20:02:24 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 21 18:37:25 2016. I would just say that if there is ongoing jaywalking just beyond the crosswalk, the situation can be slightly difficult. If you can spot the jaywalking in time, you can stop at the crosswalk threshold to avoid blocking, but if you don't spot it in time, you end up having to block. |
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Re: Terrapin does not know how to drive Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Sep 21 20:37:03 2016, in response to Re: Terrapin does not know how to drive Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 15:52:36 2016. I've heard that's how pretty much everyone in the UK does it. I do too if the guy crept up and we ended up with a decent amount of space (thus there's enough room to stop if he's not moving). It actually saves time in aggregate, because instead of a lag between each row of cars when the light changes, they all move in unison, like a train. |
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Re: Terrapin does not know how to drive Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Sep 21 20:54:31 2016, in response to Re: Terrapin does not know how to drive Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Sep 21 20:37:03 2016. Yeah, I often assume he will go but am ready if he doesn't. Foot off the brake, but still covering it until we are both moving and at a safe distance. It does increase the chance of being rear-ended though since you may end up braking in a way unanticipated by the car behind. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Wed Sep 21 23:24:49 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by AlM on Wed Sep 21 16:11:55 2016. There's a big difference between doing that on your own initiative as a pedestrian and having a motorist expect you to do it because he isn't willing to hold himself to a reasonable standard of safe conduct. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Wed Sep 21 23:28:00 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 16:31:49 2016. Safety is everyone's responsibility not only the motorist''s.And yet your usual shtick is, "Of course there are bad drivers, too, but let me now spend fifteen minutes telling you about this pedestrian who once inconvenienced me." It's a matter of emphasis. Safety is everyone's responsibility, yes. But the motorist, who has much the greatest potential to cause damage and injury, bears the bulk of the responsibility. Don't like that? Don't drive. |
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Posted by OCTD 2039 on Thu Sep 22 01:22:56 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 21 16:03:04 2016. I want more than just to ride diesel buses... I want them! |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Sep 22 08:36:13 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Wed Sep 21 17:24:02 2016. There were no vehicles. They were already jaywalking outside the crosswalk. They started crossing a second after I started turning. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Sep 22 08:42:10 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by AlM on Wed Sep 21 18:15:23 2016. No one was forced out of the crosswalk. They had to wait two seconds for me to clear the intersection and they would have had the crosswalk all to themselves. THEY WERE THE ONES WHO FORCED ME TO BLOCK THE INTERSECTION IN THE FIRST PLACE. How many times do I have to say that? My only choice was to not slow down and hit someone who would have not been quick enough to run out of the way. Would that have been better?When someone finally with a brain decided not to cross and let me finish my turn, the remainder of pedestrians had the crosswalk all to themselves. SO WILL YOU ADMIT IT NOW? Or do you have more questions? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Sep 22 08:44:39 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 21 18:30:17 2016. None of that would have mattered if the pedestrians would not have started crossing and still would have jaywalkers after they saw me turning?And most likely that would have been the case. So will you now admit the pedestrians were wrong? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Sep 22 08:49:10 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Wed Sep 21 18:31:57 2016. There is nothing contradictory about what I wrote. When I said they started crossing one second after I started to make my turn, I meant they started jaywalking a second after I made my turn. JAYWALKING IS STILL CROSSING.They didn't start crossing normally until after I cleared the intersection. How many more words are you going to pick apart before you admit unconditionally that the jaywalkers who are pedestrians WERE WRONG? Or are you people going to keep asking questions about statements that are perfectly clear so as to still insist the pedestrians were correct and I was wrong. All of you are just unbelievable. |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Sep 22 08:52:38 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 21 18:34:10 2016. THE PEDESTRIANS WHO ARE JAYWALKING DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY PERIOD.And the only reason I was blocking the intersection is because the jaywalkers forced me to. I DID NOT FORCE THEM TO JAYWALK BY BLICKNG THE INTERSECTION. All they had to do was wait 2 SECONDS. But they were TOO IMPATIENT to do that and you accuse drivers of being impatient. I AM CERTAINLY NOT AN UNSAFE DRIVER. And you are really getting on my nerves. |
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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Sep 22 08:57:41 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 21 18:36:37 2016. How were they unwilling to endanger themselves? You yourself said they were required to step into the intersection so drivers would know their intentions? To me that is endangering themselves but apparently what the law requires.Looking behind a stop line is irrelevent. The signal turned green and it was their obligation to start walking. You can't wait until cars start turning and then complain the cars are cutting you off. I am getting awfully tired of your baseless accusations about me being a horrible driver and it is obvious now that no matter what I say, you will NEVER ADMIT HE PEDESTRIANS WERE WRONG. So I am through with you on this matter and won't even read any more statements you make in this subject. GOOD BYE. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Sep 22 08:59:37 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Sep 21 20:02:24 2016. Yes if they are already jaywalking when you enter the crosswalk WHICH I ALREADY EXPLAINED WAS NOT THE CASE.So when will I get an unequivocal admission that these jaywalkers (pedestrians) were wrong? |
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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Sep 22 09:04:07 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by fdtutf on Wed Sep 21 23:28:00 2016. Okay so the motorist has a greater responsibility to be safe than the pedestrian.So how does that change anything? Who is it so difficult for you to admit that the pedestrians were wrong in this case which is all I am asking? Or is it something you will never admit under any circumstances. If it is the latter, just say so and I will stop wasting my time with you? |
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