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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 8 15:21:08 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Wed Feb 3 13:46:32 2016. I said I was being sarcastic, but it went completely over your head. |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Feb 8 15:21:56 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 8 15:21:08 2016. You did?!?! When???? |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Feb 8 15:32:06 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 8 15:02:46 2016. "I showed you haw travel times will increase and since I use the roadway every weekend now and formerly used it everyday during the week, I am quite familiar with the traffic patterns and times. You just won't accept any logic and dismiss all anecdotes by others."Except you never did. You keep on making up numbers and asserting them as fact. And yes, I and others here DO dismiss all anecdotes by yourself and others as datasets. Anecdotes are absolutely useless as data. Thank you for finally coming to that realization. "It is very easy to imagine future traffic with one less lane. Last year on a Saturday, traffic on Cross Bay was moving at a snails pace like 10 mph for about three blocks. Why? Because the right lane was closed off for utility work. After the blockage, traffic flowed fine. If there was a bus lane in effect, the same lane would be closed off all day long, so why is it so difficult for you to admit that traffic would be greatly slowed? It would be just as if that utility construction were permanent." No. Traffic closures cannot be extrapolated to be used as models for the future bus lanes. A great deal of the delay from traffic closures are from the merges resulting at the beginning of them. The Woodhaven SBS plan is designed to reduce those merges, so traffic will move better! |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Feb 8 15:34:52 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 8 15:02:46 2016. "What are you trying to twist now? I never stated that SBS routes operate at 30 minute headways. I was referring to new local routes being instituted and I made myself quite clear. You can't argue points intelligently so you resort to changing the history of the conversation.I am through wasting my time responding to your nonsense. " Lets look back on the history then! Brooklyn Bus: If what you say will happen, why is neither the MTA or DOT venturing a guess on how many will switch modes. It's because they don't want to be wrong. What is ridership actually decreases like it did on many other SBS routes? What will you say then?" R30A: I suspect that unlike you and like me, the MTA certainly does hesitate to make concrete assertions about what future ridership. Yes, they value not being wrong! Unlike yourself. You seem to revel in it! But ridership is up on all but one of the improved markets! And the one where ridership is down is clearly following the trend of ridership in its area. Brooklyn Bus: Where do you get bus ridership is up in all but one of the improved markets? If you are going by the fact that the new routes with 30 minute headways had no ridership before they began operations and now they have six riders per bus, then you are correct. R30A: What route has 30 minute headways? What route does not directly replace another? Brooklyn Bus: All the new routes with the exception of the Q70 operate on 30 minute headways. The new west side Manhattan route, the B32 and the B84. The restored B37 operates at 20 minute headways because it was not a new route. All these routes did not replace other routes. The B67 extension also operates at 30 minute headways. R30A: So, of those, 0 are applicable routes running on 30 minute headways! Brooklyn Bus: About bus routes, you asked which new routes operate at 30 minute headways and when I told you, you responded that zero are applicable. They are all applicable. Why do you ask a question when you don't want to hear the answer? R30A: Lets see: New SBS routes: BX12SBS, M15SBS, M34SBS M34ASBS, BX41SBS, B44SBS, Q44SBS, M60SBS... Which are on 30 minute headways? (So yes, none are applicable.) See? YOU brought UP SBS, then changed the topic to other buses. Any normal person would assume that if someone is talking about SBS, that the following statements they make are about SBS unless you make a statement to the contrary. |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Feb 8 15:36:55 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 8 15:20:24 2016. You can complain all you want about road conditions, and I heartily support you! YES, roads should be improved. YES, signage should be improved. YES, lighting should be improved. I strongly support your cause if you go and lobby for those all to be fixed.But none of that should ever stop the city from making other improvements which ALSO make the roads safer. |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Feb 8 15:38:51 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 8 15:08:33 2016. The MTA did not replace the M42 to 34th street with a new subway line. NYC did. I doubt the MTA would have extended the subway had that not been externally funded.I suspect the answer with regards to the B61/B62 is also no. Why he supports it? No idea. Nice shiny new service he can put his name on is my best guess. |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Feb 8 15:39:28 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 8 15:04:50 2016. Sure...Getting your full information for a restraining order... |
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Posted by fdtutf on Mon Feb 8 15:55:39 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 8 15:02:46 2016. I showed you haw travel times will increaseYou still don't seem to have grasped the difference between asserting something and proving it. You seem to think that if you (that is, you in particular) assert that something will happen, then that constitutes conclusive proof that it will, in fact, happen. Please realize that nobody else buys this. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 8 16:11:14 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by fdtutf on Mon Feb 8 15:55:39 2016. I'm sorry but the bulk of people in Rego Park and Woodhaven buy it because they already experience it everyday unlike you who rarely enter an automobile and certainly not on Woodhaven Blvd.Anyway it is not my job to prove anything. It is DOT's job to prove travel times will not increase and they have failed to do that just like they have asserted without a shred of proof that bus passengers trips will be shortened by 35 percent. Why are you not asking them for their PROOF |
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Posted by fdtutf on Mon Feb 8 16:25:57 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 8 16:11:14 2016. Anyway it is not my job to prove anything.Wrong. You're making these assertions; you must be prepared to prove them, not simply repeat them over and over again. If you don't want to prove them, then keep them to yourself. Why are you not asking them for their PROOF Because what they're saying makes sense to me and I trust that they know what they're doing. What you're saying doesn't make sense, and you've already pretty much proved that you don't know what you're doing. OMG STOP THE PRESSES YOU ACTUALLY PROVED SOMETHING! |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Feb 8 18:09:45 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 8 14:00:20 2016. Only two are currently being used.They are using the entire width of the 55 foot wide ROW from Linden Blv. to just south of Rockaway Blv. The configuration is changing from using the two outer tracks to moving off the ROW to the west. There's an assumption that using the RBL as a busway would be very low cost. Sharing the ROW with operating trains, presumably the center portion south of Linden Blv, requires a more detailed explanation before being accepted as fact. Incidentally, will there be any stops where passengers can board or disembark along the busway? If so, where? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 9 13:55:18 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Feb 8 18:09:45 2016. What are you talking about? It looks like the ROW is four tracks wide on Google maps between the two points you cited.I don't know who said the busway would get a very low cost. It wasn't me. Low is relative. As far as the details of the busway.p, you would have to ask those who proposed it, but I would think there would be intermediate stops. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 9 13:58:31 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Mon Feb 8 15:38:51 2016. Yes the MTA never would have extended the 7 if they had to lay for it. But the point is still that it was done when there was not even enough demand for bus service.As far as why deBlasio supports the light rail, go read the article in Second Avenue Sagas today. Ben clearly explains why. It is supported by real rate interests who will support deBlasio's reelection campaign if he supports it. Enough of a reason? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 9 14:00:09 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Mon Feb 8 13:58:57 2016. But planning future routes based on five or seven year old data when more recent data is available and contradicts past data is not responsible. I believe we already has this discussion before. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 9 14:00:51 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Mon Feb 8 13:59:35 2016. Again, you are using old data that is no longer relevent. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 9 14:09:28 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by fdtutf on Mon Feb 8 16:25:57 2016. I am not the only one making these assertions. Hundreds of people who live in the area and are much more familiar with the road conditions and have experienced these delays firsthand when only a small portion of the exclusive lanes during rush hours only agree with me.You are asking me for data that would be impossible for me to get when DOT refuses to provide the data. If you believe DOT knows what they are doing, you are a fool. DOT has made countless mistakes. They misprint lines in the road and have to redo them a week later. They misspell traffic signs. They do not even know how to spell the word "glossary". They cause road bottlenecks with their lane striping, etc. But what is the use talking to you? You probably believe intentionally causing road bottlenecks is desirable because it frustrates drivers and adds needless travel times to trips which you believe is a good thing like DOT. Anything that makes it worse for drivers is good according to you and DOT, so you believing that DOT knows what they are doing is meaningless. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 9 14:10:37 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Mon Feb 8 15:39:28 2016. Ha ha. What would you say if they offer me a job? |
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Posted by fdtutf on Tue Feb 9 14:56:06 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 9 14:09:28 2016. You are asking me for data that would be impossible for me to get when DOT refuses to provide the data.I'm not exactly asking you for data. I'm asking you to put up or shut up. But your MO is to make wild claims without being able to back them up, and then to try to distract everybody else when they ask for proof ("BUT THE DOT!!! BUT [anecdote]!!! BUT..." I'm sick of it, and I don't think I'm the only one. If you believe DOT knows what they are doing, you are a fool. I'm comparing them to you. Compared to you, they know what they're doing. But what is the use talking to you? You probably believe intentionally causing road bottlenecks is desirable because it frustrates drivers and adds needless travel times to trips which you believe is a good thing like DOT. Anything that makes it worse for drivers is good according to you and DOT, so you believing that DOT knows what they are doing is meaningless. I'm so glad to know that you've given up the practice of putting words in other people's mouths. Nicely done! |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 9 15:09:01 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Mon Feb 8 15:18:36 2016. You are correct. That reference was only for preliminary engineering. I will try to find the correct reference if I can. The problem is that while DOT keeps claiming it is cost efficient, they only mentioned costs a handful of times in all their documents, but verbally they have stated the costs at between $15 and $20 million when it was still SBS before they changed the scope. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Feb 9 15:24:27 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 9 13:55:18 2016. It looks like the ROW is four tracks wide on Google maps between the two points you cited.The problem is that the tracks move off the ROW at grade. The northbound track crosses the entire 55 foot width of the ROW. Where was the busway located south of this point - between the running tracks? How will happen to the busway where the northbound track crosses over to the entire width of the ROW to meet the Fulton St El? I would think there would be intermediate stops. Will there be intermediate stops at Howard Beach or Aqueduct? How will the busway stops avoid interfering with the existing subway stops? |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Feb 9 16:52:45 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 9 15:09:01 2016. My point is: SBS is BRT.The MTA says so. NYCDOT says so. Your links intended to refute such both say so. |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Feb 9 16:53:30 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 9 14:10:37 2016. I would say that the MTA is every bit as inept as you claim they are!I don't think I will have to say so. |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Feb 9 16:54:15 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 9 13:58:31 2016. What does any of that have to do with Woodhaven SBS or the LIRR ROW? |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Feb 9 16:55:07 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 9 14:00:09 2016. Correct!But recent data does not reflect what effects THE SBS CHANGES had on ridership. That can only be seen WHEN THE CHANGES HAPPEN. |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Feb 9 16:55:35 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 9 14:00:51 2016. The old data is the ONLY data relevant for the point you are trying to make. |
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Posted by MR RT on Wed Feb 10 09:25:56 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 9 14:09:28 2016. DOT has a small staff of mainly political appointees.For years they have mostly said me too to what ever the MTA was doing, because they then didn't have to expend any R & D effort. When they had to do some research & planning, it wasn't impressive, so using old data, old plans, etc. sounds par for the course. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Feb 12 19:38:18 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by fdtutf on Tue Feb 9 14:56:06 2016. You are asking me for data.DOT spells the word "Glossary" as GLOSSERY in big bold print because they are too lazy to even use spell check. You can imagine what other shortcuts they are taking in their analyses because they are too lazy to do real work. And you say they know what they are doing. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Feb 12 19:42:10 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Tue Feb 9 16:53:30 2016. So they would never hire me because I know nothing. If they do hire me then they are inept.So you win if they hire me and you win if they don't. Not a very fair playing field. It's like heads I win and tails you lose. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Feb 12 19:45:57 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Tue Feb 9 16:52:45 2016. No.SBS is the MTA's version of BRT because the MTA believed they never could have real BRT in this city so they called BRT SBS. Now they want to change that by using Woodhaven as an example by installing SBS with msny BRT features that would increase the cost by tenfold. It still wouldn't be true BRT, but it is definitely not the traditional SBS they have installed thus far. That is what Trottenberg stated at the City Council hearing in November, 2014 which I attended. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Feb 12 19:47:43 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Tue Feb 9 16:54:15 2016. I was responding to your questions which were not about Woodhaven SBS and the LIRR ROW, so why do I have to relate my comments to that when you did not? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Feb 12 19:49:45 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Feb 9 15:24:27 2016. I do not believe they proposed a busway for south of Liberty Avenue. I thought buses would rejoin Cross Bay Blvd at that point, but I could be wrong. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Feb 12 20:30:16 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Wed Feb 3 13:02:51 2016. The southwest Brooklyn changes had 9 routes that were changed and 2 that were discontinued. The 1, 3, 4, 11, 36, 49, 50, 64, and 74 were modified. Also, the B6 got new service patterns since it paralleled the B11 to Rockaway Parkway. The 21 and 34 were discontinued.For the Bronx changes, not counting routes that were discontinued and renumbered, I count 11 routes that were modified. So the Bronx changes may have been more extensive, but you also have to look at affected route mileage. I do not know which was more. The Queens changes I believe affected 12 routes, but all the changes were very minor so I wouldn't consider that important at all. If you also consider the other changes I recommended in 1978 that were implemented years later, you can add the 68. S7 (which became S53) and additional changes to the 1, 49, and 64. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Feb 12 20:31:43 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Mon Feb 8 15:36:55 2016. Many believe the changes proposed for Woodhaven would make the road more dangerous, not safer. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Feb 12 20:34:17 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Mon Feb 8 15:21:56 2016. Right here. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Feb 13 00:06:01 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Feb 12 19:49:45 2016. I do not believe they proposed a busway for south of Liberty Avenue. I thought buses would rejoin Cross Bay Blvd at that point, but I could be wrong.You were the one who suggested that it started in Howard Beach. Where will the busway rejoin streets on the northern side? |
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Posted by R30A on Sat Feb 13 07:36:40 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Feb 12 20:31:43 2016. No people with serious understanding of traffic engineering seem to believe such. |
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Posted by R30A on Sat Feb 13 07:37:36 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Feb 12 19:38:18 2016. So a misspelled word indicates that they do not understand how to build a SBS/BRT line? |
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Posted by R30A on Sat Feb 13 07:42:07 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Feb 12 19:47:43 2016. Yes, you summarized my post. Congratulations!But if you meant it as a retort, you fall short, as my questions WERE about Woodhaven, and yours were not. So my question still stands- What does the 7 extension and East River LRT have to do with Woodhaven?!? |
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Posted by R30A on Sat Feb 13 07:46:54 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Feb 12 19:45:57 2016. I see!You knew the terms were being used interchangeably this whole time. So you were being deceitful. The problem I have here is that I am dealing with somebody both delusional and dishonest (you). It is hard to know how to respond without knowing which issue is at hand. If you had any knowledge about the issues at hand whatsoever you would know that BRT is a poorly defined term. Any of the installations outside of perhaps the S79 would easily be defined as BRT. Not the best BRT by any means, but still certainly BRT. |
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Posted by R30A on Sat Feb 13 07:51:39 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Feb 12 19:42:10 2016. Yes!Making statements without unfounded assertions results in that wonderful situation you describe being quite familiar! You should try being correct sometime. It does feel nice. That all said, I would be wrong if they hire you. I am of the impression that the MTA leadership is FAR too competent to hire you for any position high enough to interest you. If they do hire you, that would indicate that my impression of them is false, if that is any consolation prize to you. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Sun Feb 14 17:42:17 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Feb 12 19:38:18 2016. No, I'm asking you to either prove your points, as opposed to repeating them ad nauseam, or stop asserting them. I don't care which you do, and I don't need data from you. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 15 10:41:03 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by fdtutf on Sun Feb 14 17:42:17 2016. Nothing I would ever say would constitute "proof" in your opinion. |
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Posted by North Brooklyn on Mon Feb 15 10:42:41 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by fdtutf on Sun Feb 14 17:42:17 2016. This tread is old. Time to be scrapped and retired. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 15 12:24:26 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by fdtutf on Sun Feb 14 17:42:17 2016. IAWTP |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 15 12:24:48 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 15 10:41:03 2016. Nothing I would ever say would constitute "proof" in your opinion.False! You're wrong! |
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Posted by North Brooklyn on Mon Feb 15 12:47:45 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 15 12:24:48 2016. Fuck you. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 15 13:16:34 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Tue Feb 9 16:55:35 2016. There are many who would disagree with that statement. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 15 13:19:32 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Tue Feb 9 16:55:07 2016. No one is interested in what effect SBS had on service five years ago. That is yesterday's news. What people care about is what effects SBS is having on ridership today. You don't find it at all suspicious that as long as first year results were favorable, the MTA released those results, but as soon as those first year results are no longer favorable, the MTA no longer issues first year assessments. Something about that stinks to high hell. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 15 13:21:01 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 15 12:24:26 2016. So why do you keep responding with useless comments? |
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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 15 13:22:33 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Sat Feb 13 07:51:39 2016. The problem is I am correct. |
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