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Posted by TRANSIT JEFF on Sat Dec 26 21:12:58 2009, in response to Re: Mack C-49-DT, posted by Westcode44 on Sat Dec 26 17:04:41 2009. That's a hand rail. My 1951 Fageol Twin Coach has door hand rails. I have photos of Fageol Twin Coach buses in Brooklyn in the silver and green paint scheme. They were lettered New York Board of Public Transportation. I have several 8 x 10 photos of them. In fact, I have quite a collection of 8 x 10 NYC bus photos from the late 1920's to the 1960's. |
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Posted by TRANSIT JEFF on Sat Dec 26 21:22:13 2009, in response to Re: Mack C-49-DT, posted by heypaul on Sat Dec 26 17:08:10 2009. The only Mack that I own is an electric trackless trolley built in 1939. When Hampton, Virginia sold off its last Mack buses some years ago, I looked into buying one. They were sent around to Mack Truck dealerships all over the country for disposal. The dealership closest to me had one and wanted a fortune for it.....somewhere around $ 10,000 if I recall correctly. I couldn't afford it. |
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Posted by TRANSIT JEFF on Sat Dec 26 21:33:58 2009, in response to Re: Mack C-49-DT, posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Dec 26 14:56:41 2009. One of the things I loved about the Mack buses was the air release sound of the air brakes. Macks and Twin Coach buses had an air brake sound all their own. I recall bus operators using it to coax somebody out of their way without actually using the horn.And I grew up in Philly with hundreds of gasoline Mack buses. I loved the gurgling sound of those Mack gasoline Thermodyne engines, especially at an idle. They almost sounded like they were gargling. And who could forget that air hiss and clunk when the torque converter dropped out of direct drive. What great memories !! |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Dec 26 21:57:36 2009, in response to Re: Mack C-49-DT/C-50-DT, posted by Manwithaplan on Sat Dec 26 20:26:32 2009. 
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Posted by Manwithaplan on Sat Dec 26 22:26:38 2009, in response to Re: Mack C-49-DT/C-50-DT, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Dec 26 21:57:36 2009. Thank You Stephen, I was trying to get something in color, butone will have to do, Thanks. MWAP |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Dec 26 23:25:53 2009, in response to Re: Mack C-49-DT, posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Dec 26 11:29:09 2009. So now the countdown is on to see this bus in action. First passengers in about 40 years right?LOL, not if I start a new thread tomorrow evening called...... "MACK C-49-DT -- DOA!" :) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Dec 26 23:27:01 2009, in response to Re: Mack C-49-DT, posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Dec 26 10:56:09 2009. There is talking to me. We were talking. We were having a pretty civil discussion without unwarranted personal attacks. What more can you ask for? Seriously?And no, knowing 9 Local he would not survive if the buses were not there when he got back. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Dec 26 23:31:17 2009, in response to Re: Mack C-49-DT, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat Dec 26 10:49:13 2009. Exactly. That would be so nice. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Dec 26 23:31:53 2009, in response to Re: Mack C-49-DT, posted by TRANSIT JEFF on Sat Dec 26 04:44:37 2009. What holiday spirit? My holiday ended days ago. Besides, I'm only stating facts. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Dec 27 00:18:17 2009, in response to Re: Mack C-49-DT/C-50-DT, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Dec 26 21:57:36 2009. "Bingham liner"Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Dec 27 01:00:45 2009, in response to Re: Mack C-49-DT, posted by heypaul on Sat Dec 26 11:04:35 2009. I told you...he does it for shits and giggles...Its like sex for him...he gets off on it. I took the time out today for a little research..reading ALL of his responses over the few days past...horrible..sick..leaving a bad taste in one's mouth is some of the nicer things I could say. How could a person be so bitter..so negative..just because? Evil...hes evil to the core ...DEAD INSIDE,and that alone is more than enough for me to wipe my hands of him. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Dec 27 01:44:14 2009, in response to Re: Mack C-49-DT, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Dec 26 23:27:01 2009. We'll talk on the train on Sunday. Civilly. |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Sun Dec 27 02:19:49 2009, in response to Re: Mack C-49-DT, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 25 01:39:25 2009. oooooooooooo, you cursed!I'm going to tell Cornell! |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Sun Dec 27 02:21:21 2009, in response to Re: Mack C-49-DT, posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Dec 26 10:56:09 2009. And don't forget, he hates buses! |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Sun Dec 27 02:23:07 2009, in response to Re: Mack C-49-DT, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Dec 26 23:27:01 2009. Discussion? I Googled that and I got this! Looks like you, Tamar and Damien! |
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Posted by heypaul on Sun Dec 27 06:09:39 2009, in response to Re: Mack C-49-DT, posted by Edwards! on Sun Dec 27 01:00:45 2009. Edwards... You wasted your time proving to yourself what you already knew. Let him stew in his own juices, why join him there? |
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Posted by heypaul on Sun Dec 27 06:16:25 2009, in response to Re: Mack C-49-DT, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Sun Dec 27 02:21:21 2009. Mr. Mabstoa. I respect you as you've been on the job and in supervision for many years. However, you're really in a knee jerk response to his every post, which means you can't help yourself either. Please ignore him, as feeding into him only will prolong what's wrong here, and at worse make you part of what's wrong here.It's easy for me to make these observations, but it's not easy to give into temptation. Perhaps I shouldn't say anything, as no one likes to be told what to do. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Sun Dec 27 09:12:55 2009, in response to Re: Mack C-49-DT, posted by TRANSIT JEFF on Sat Dec 26 21:33:58 2009. Wow! From what you guys are saying about the Mack, it's a very different riding experience from the GM Old Looks. I hope to be able to make my way back up there for a ride.Can't wait for the photos and video! |
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Posted by Manwithaplan on Sun Dec 27 09:47:58 2009, in response to Re: Mack C-49-DT/C-50-DT, posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Dec 27 00:18:17 2009. Thanks Bill, I was hoping to see one in color. This is betterthan nothing. Thanks. MWAP |
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Posted by docstox on Sun Dec 27 11:00:53 2009, in response to Re: Mack C-49-DT, posted by TRANSIT JEFF on Sat Dec 26 21:33:58 2009. I haven't been on a Mack since 1967, and your description brought back a lot of memories.A GM Old Look and Mack were very different with air brake and engine sounds.I would always enjoy the areas in the City where Macks and Old Looks were right next to each other, leaving a bus stop.Later, when MABSTOA added New Looks, that sound was added to the Macks and Old Looks.To me, the best era was 1962 to 1969, when all three bus types were around. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Dec 27 12:53:41 2009, in response to Re: Mack C-49-DT, posted by heypaul on Sun Dec 27 06:09:39 2009. -_-I did..it wasn't very comfortable. Won't do it again. |
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Posted by Manwithaplan on Sun Dec 27 16:37:24 2009, in response to Re: Mack C-49-DT, posted by docstox on Sun Dec 27 11:00:53 2009. It was that time period that I started getting into the hobbyof buses. I can remember the Ex-Surface Mack C-49's running on M101 in the Surface Transit paint scheme as a kid when I live in Manhattan. I also remember the GM TDH-5106's from Surface Transit and FACO that were quickly repainted into the two-tone green paint scheme. This is why it is so important for the younger guys to take advanage of the Vintage Buses while they are in revenue service, and understand what the bus transportation system in New York City was like back in the 50's and 60's. I know that the bus buffs of today like buses such as the Flx 870's, the RTS, and even the GM and Fxlible new-looks. But the buses of the 50's were tanks, and stood their ground when operating with other traffic. I like the Flxible and GMC New-Looks, the 870's, and the early RTS's too, but in my book, the old-looks were the best. MWAP |
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Posted by busdude2 on Sun Dec 27 17:40:31 2009, in response to Re: Mack C-49-DT, posted by Manwithaplan on Sun Dec 27 16:37:24 2009. I agree they were real buses. Like the ones that ran in Jersey City when I lived there back then. |
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Posted by Westcode44 on Sun Dec 27 20:04:24 2009, in response to Re: Mack C-49-DT, posted by Manwithaplan on Sun Dec 27 16:37:24 2009. MWAP may I echo those words..WE-44 |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Dec 27 21:06:15 2009, in response to Re: Mack C-49-DT/C-50-DT, posted by Manwithaplan on Sun Dec 27 09:47:58 2009. Thanks Bill, I was hoping to see one in color. This is betterthan nothing. Thanks. OK, I was pointing out that these Mack C-50DT's were nicknamed 'Binghamliners' for BoT Chairman Sidney Bingham. These Macks had sliding windows, but if they predate #9098 and her sisters, wouldn't this be the first bus with sliding windows ? Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Dec 27 21:19:12 2009, in response to Re: Mack C-49-DT, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Sun Dec 27 09:12:55 2009. Wow! From what you guys are saying about the Mack, it's a very different riding experience from the GM Old Looks. I hope to be able to make my way back up there for a ride.Looks, sounds and riding quality make riding a Mack a different experience. I do remember back in the mid 60's, i was riding a Mack C-49DT on the B-68 heading toward Bartel Pritchard Squaw. When we pulled into the Cortelyou Rd stop, anyone including me siting on the rear seat was actually lifted out of our seats since the bus bounced at the intersection. The Mack C-49DT has something in common with an RTS bus. Theres little if any overhang by the rear wheels and the rear door is extra wide. In fact #6259 is the opposite of #2969 in one regard. #2969 has an extra wide from door and a average width driver operated rear door, while #6259 has average width front door and a extra wide driver operated rear door, Yes and I do remember that pole and mini banister by the rear door. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Manwithaplan on Sun Dec 27 21:59:37 2009, in response to Re: Mack C-49-DT/C-50-DT, posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Dec 27 21:06:15 2009. Yes Bill, the C-50's were the first buses on the BOT/NYCTA rosterto have sliding windows. However it should be noted that in 1949, GMC TDH-5101 #4899 had sliding standee, and rear windows, just like the C-50's. MWAP |
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Posted by Manwithaplan on Sun Dec 27 22:07:53 2009, in response to Re: Mack C-49-DT, posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Dec 27 21:19:12 2009. Yes they did bounce. The wheelbase on the C-49-DT's were 289 1/2 inches, and had a 53 degree angle wheel cut, which made these someof the best buses on the system. MWAP |
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Re: Mack C-49-DT: WEATHER QUESTION |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Sun Dec 27 22:11:20 2009, in response to Re: Mack C-49-DT, posted by Manwithaplan on Sun Dec 27 22:07:53 2009. HERE'S THE QUESSIE: SUPPOSE it rains early in the a.m.but stops prior to pull out? Will the vintages pull out?I wants to know. jc |
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Re: Mack C-49-DT: WEATHER QUESTION |
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Posted by Manwithaplan on Sun Dec 27 22:23:26 2009, in response to Re: Mack C-49-DT: WEATHER QUESTION, posted by r17-6599 on Sun Dec 27 22:11:20 2009. Hi Joe, it's up to management at MJQ. Snice the Vintage Buses arestored at Quill, they have the final say so. Even thought it is going to be colder on Tuesday, I think that would be a better day to see the Mack, and it's GMC cousins. I will be out there on the 29th just to be on the safe side. Hope to see you then. |
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Posted by docstox on Mon Dec 28 16:56:13 2009, in response to Re: Mack C-49-DT, posted by Manwithaplan on Sun Dec 27 16:37:24 2009. I tip my hat to the mechanical engineers who have lovingly and painstakingly cared for this vintage fleet of buses that are running on the streets of NYC this year.From the pictures posted on this site of the exterior and interiors, these buses look like new.I have literally gone back over 50 years viewing these slides.The City should be proud of its vintage fleet.Your comment that it gives the youngsters here who are interested in buses, a chance to see, hear, and ride these classic gems, is so true.Those 50's models were tanks and I thank God I was around back then to ride in all the FACO and Surface Old Looks and Macks of that day.Glad that you were able to get in on it while they were still around in the 60's. A question for you.Did you like the Fifth Avenue Coach and Surface Transit paint schemes better than the MABSTOA two tone green? Personally, I loved the old paint schemes with the logos "Go The Motor Coach Way on FACO and "Ride The Surface Way" on Surface buses. |
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Posted by Manwithaplan on Mon Dec 28 17:30:19 2009, in response to Re: Mack C-49-DT, posted by docstox on Mon Dec 28 16:56:13 2009. Are you kidding! Of course I like the old paint schemes fromFACCo and Surface Transit better than that two-tone green scheme. For me, the best scheme was the green and yellow that was used by both FACCo and Surface Transit in 1958-59. I am just glad that I had the chance to see those buses before they went to the scrape yard. And now, thanks to those guys at the ENY Base Shop, I have the chance relive history, and ride that big Mack on Tuesday. And Thank You for your comment about my post. Everyone should ride these great buses from the past. It brings back alot of memories for many people, including me! MWAP |
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Posted by docstox on Mon Dec 28 18:44:45 2009, in response to Re: Mack C-49-DT, posted by Manwithaplan on Mon Dec 28 17:30:19 2009. I knew you'd agree with me on the FACCo and Surface liveries!The Old Looks and Macks never looked right to me in that MABSTOA two tone green. I remember that 58-59 paint scheme.I was just watching a classic movie from 1959, "North By Northwest" by Alfred Hitchcock.There is a quick scene of Hitchcock running to catch a Fifth Avenue Old Look that shuts the door in his face and pulls away.That's the very paint scheme you like! |
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