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Posted by Forest Glen on Sun Aug 10 17:46:12 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by JAzumah on Sun Aug 10 09:38:32 2008. Express buses across the city have to be scheduled for a 85-90% load factor on 75% of the buses. Otherwise, there is no need to justify the extra expense of an MCI. The whole purpose was to consolidate runs to reduce the losses.I agree that some routes like the X20, X64, and QM4 are underutilized and other routes are empty on weekends but most express buses are near capacity during rush hour. The X1 is so crowded that people have to stand. I have offered many compromises including eliminating weekend express bus service (except on a handful of routes) and eliminating routes below a certain ridership threshold. However, that's not enough for the express bus haters. They want ALL express bus routes eliminated, regardless of the area it serves or its ridership. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Aug 10 18:17:42 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by mci guy on Sun Aug 10 07:38:23 2008. And what do you think Mayor Bloomberg wants to do? Unfortunately, the city cannot unilaterally place tolls on bridges...it needs state permission, which Albany is loath to give. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sun Aug 10 23:15:09 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Aug 10 18:17:42 2008. The state wants a cut. If they get it, he gets it.Think the increase in sales tax. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sun Aug 10 23:20:16 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by Forest Glen on Sun Aug 10 17:46:12 2008. Very few express lines carry 50 pax across 75% of their buses. In fact, I can think of three lines that get close: BxM1, BxM7, pm X17A. The PM X17A has the highest load factor in all of MTA land. You won't find one with less than 40 pax. |
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Posted by Forest Glen on Mon Aug 11 12:18:52 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by JAzumah on Sun Aug 10 23:20:16 2008. The PM X17A has the highest load factor in all of MTA land. You won't find one with less than 40 pax.I knew this. After all I actually USED this route. Again, I'm willing to make a compromise based on consolidating or eliminating routes based on ridership. However, to blindly state that all express buses are a waste is wrong. |
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Posted by Pelham R62A on Mon Aug 11 13:35:18 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by Forest Glen on Mon Aug 11 12:18:52 2008. IAWTP. I can understand consolidating or eliminating routes in order to cut spending but I can't see eliminating all express bus routes.First, I would get rid of the MCI buses. Things were perfectly fine when old RTS and Orions were used. Second, route elimination. Routes such as the BxM7B, QM22, and QM3 are a waste. They only run one to two buses in each peak period and it's a waste to have them in there. Finally, route consolidations. Don't know how the unions are for MTA NYC Buses and MTA Bus but consolidating routes under both sub agencies would be a great idea. Someone mentioned earlier about having the X51 running out to Little Neck to replace the OM3, which could work. I think doing this would be much more accepting towards both MTA and the riding public. |
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Posted by mci guy on Mon Aug 11 16:32:16 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by Forest Glen on Mon Aug 11 12:18:52 2008. things were far from fine as far as rts and orion expresses. on si even the mci buses carry many standees on some routes. |
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Posted by R33/R36 mainline on Mon Aug 11 17:53:19 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by Pelham R62A on Mon Aug 11 13:35:18 2008. First, I would get rid of the MCI buses. Things were perfectly fine when old RTS and Orions were usedAgreed. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Aug 11 19:02:07 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by JAzumah on Sun Aug 10 23:15:09 2008. Actually, congestion pricing would next year if two things are done:1. Silver allows a vote--and he just may next year. 2. Assuming the Democrats win the state Senate...Malcolm Smith prevents the Republicans led by congestion pricing opponent Dean Skelos from fleeing New York State and ensures a quorum on congestion pricing debate (there is a 3/5 requirement for a quorum). |
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Posted by Forest Glen on Mon Aug 11 19:16:02 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by Pelham R62A on Mon Aug 11 13:35:18 2008. I like the MCI's but I would accept a RTS or Orion V Suburban on the express bus (assuming that everyone still has a seat). I also believe that the QM3 and X51 should be combined. However, compromises like these are never enough for the express bus haters. |
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Posted by 7trainkrys on Mon Aug 11 21:49:02 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by Forest Glen on Mon Aug 11 19:16:02 2008. Why not rid of them both? The X51 and QM3 are a waste. All the buildings serve by the X51 are dilapidated. Noone wants to pay for this service.It's either the 7 or the LIRR. Thats what people want. |
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Posted by Q46 LTD Glen Oaks on Tue Aug 12 00:38:31 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by 7trainkrys on Mon Aug 11 21:49:02 2008. If you want to can routes, can the QM22 and QM23. I heard a while back that the QM3 was getting an increase in service and it needs it. 6 buses a day isn't cutting it and if no one wants to pay for the service why are the X51 and Qm3's full. The buildings have nothing to do with what the people want in terms transportation, so not to be harsh but you sound ignorant. By that logic no one should be riding the BXm4A/4B and several other routes. Like it's been said before just combine the X51 and Qm3. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Aug 12 00:56:40 2008, in response to It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by ClearAspect on Sat Jul 26 13:10:32 2008. That's right I've said what needs to be saidNo, you've said what you wanted to say. Express bus fares should be like commuter railroads, i.e. zone based. $5 fare isn't enough to turn over positive numbers on most express routes. Maximum fares should now be in the $10-$12 per direction range, or $200 a month area And this will do . . . what? You turned Libertarian or something? Gas may have dropped to 20¢ under $4 per gallon, but it's still very high. |
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