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Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer

Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Dec 1 00:37:40 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Railman718 on Mon Nov 30 21:46:28 2009.

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As I said, hard to know who to believe. It may not be hard to figure out, but lots of people can say lots of things. I know Mr. Mabstoa is surface, I know Train Dude is CED. I was just putting out examples. NETO I trust too...he's RTO...like I said, I left a few out.

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Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer

Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Dec 1 00:40:51 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Grand Concourse on Mon Nov 30 22:07:51 2009.

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Waiting for other construction to finish.

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Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer

Posted by Michael549 on Tue Dec 1 01:03:17 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Union Turnpike on Mon Nov 30 22:15:43 2009.

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From a previous message: "What will replace the (1) between Chambers Street and South Ferry?"

The shuttle bus.

Been there, done that, I have rode the shuttle bus plenty of times - often to miss the ferry that I had hoped to actually catch. That's why plenty of times, I just took the whatever train is going to Wall Street (the #1, the #2 or the #3) and walked from there to the ferry terminal.

If there I was traveling in a section of the westside where I could catch the R, N or W trains that are traveling to Whitehall Street, I would take those to the ferry terminal.

Leaving the Ferry Terminal, it was very rare - as in almost not done to walk to the #2 or #3 Wall Street station for westside destinations. Usually I would transfer to another line to get to the westside - #4 or #5 to Fulton Street for the A or C trains, or something. If traveling to the upper Westside, a simple trip on the N-R-W to Times Square and then the 1-2-3 trains.

Not having the #1 at South Ferry due to construction work, G.O.'s weekend re-routes and other happenings has been a constant occurrence for the past almost 20 years. The same situation can be said also for the #4 and #5 at Bowling Green or N-W-R trains at Whitehall Street. At some points only one station was open, and that one just gets used. It is what it is.

Mike


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Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer

Posted by G1Ravage on Tue Dec 1 02:23:29 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by randyo on Mon Nov 30 18:47:45 2009.

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I would take a wild guess and say this has to do with Conductor operating procedures at terminals on trains not having door enablers....

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Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 1 07:11:47 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Pablo M 201 on Tue Dec 1 00:01:41 2009.

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ahahaahahahaha, just like your mentor Trevor, when you're shown to be COMPLETELY WRONG, you refuse to admit it and try to change the subject!!! ahahahahahaha!

Let me say it again: YOU WERE COMPLETELY WRONG.

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Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 1 07:12:26 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Dec 1 00:30:49 2009.

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Thanks for proving my point.

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Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 1 07:13:52 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Dec 1 00:37:40 2009.

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As I said, hard to know who to believe

And as I said, that explains a lot about you. Those of us who know who to believe are much better off. It's not that hard to figure out. The people who are CORRECT quite often are those you can believe...duh.

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Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 1 07:15:50 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Railman718 on Mon Nov 30 11:34:38 2009.

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I quoted the other things that you said that I was responding to.

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Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 1 07:16:42 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by WillD on Mon Nov 30 21:02:39 2009.

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Exactly. But people just don't get it.

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Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 1 07:17:40 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by 7th Avenue Express on Mon Nov 30 18:03:58 2009.

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I'm guessing "not well".

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Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 1 07:21:33 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by G1Ravage on Mon Nov 30 15:16:33 2009.

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That's not quite true.

Yep. Haha.

It's important to note that according to what you said, 7th Avenue Express was wrong in his original post about what the reason was for the shut down. And the person who foolishly believed him and tried to use that reasoning in other posts got pwn3d.

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Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 1 07:21:41 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by G1Ravage on Mon Nov 30 15:16:33 2009.

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That's not quite true.

Yep. Haha.

It's important to note that according to what you said, 7th Avenue Express was wrong in his original post about what the reason was for the shut down. And the person who foolishly believed him and tried to use that reasoning in other posts got pwn3d.

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Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 1 07:22:02 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Mon Nov 30 16:05:04 2009.

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No, it's not nice at all. This is awful.

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Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 1 07:22:16 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Mon Nov 30 21:15:18 2009.

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pwn3d!!!

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Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer

Posted by lrg5784 on Tue Dec 1 09:01:36 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Michael549 on Tue Dec 1 01:03:17 2009.

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I wonder why though that a connection between the new South Ferry terminal and the IRT East Side was never made. It would have allowed for some sort of flexibility in the event that the (1) was blocked below Chambers and couldn't follow it's main route.

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Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer

Posted by Pablo M 201 on Tue Dec 1 09:34:19 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 1 07:11:47 2009.

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Nope, I stand by what I said, but I'm not going to repeat myself just like you foolishly do.

And what does Trevor have to do with any of this? You have an obsession over him?

Please find something else better to do. Good day.

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Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer

Posted by Railman718 on Tue Dec 1 09:54:48 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 1 07:15:50 2009.

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Im sorry what other things?

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Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 1 09:55:33 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Railman718 on Tue Dec 1 09:54:48 2009.

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Why can't you read up the thread yourself?

Money wasn't wasted the work needed to be done its fedral money

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Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer

Posted by Railman718 on Tue Dec 1 09:59:22 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 1 09:55:33 2009.

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I read that part i didnt reply to that part and?

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Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer

Posted by Railman718 on Tue Dec 1 10:00:07 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Railman718 on Tue Dec 1 09:59:22 2009.

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Please dont tell me you was waiting for a "oh you was right" response please dont say it...

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Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer

Posted by Michael549 on Tue Dec 1 11:59:42 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by lrg5784 on Tue Dec 1 09:01:36 2009.

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The Bowling Green station about 3 or 4 blocks from the Ferry Terminal Building with the #4 and #5 trains provides enough direct access, in the eyes of the MTA and others. There is NO NEED to re-open the inner loop station at South Ferry - which is now used for crew quarters, and other operations - I am told, and which does not have a passenger entrance anyway.

I have a hunch that the old entrance inside the current Ferry Terminal might be used for the bus terminal stands that they are building in the park outside in front of the ferry terminal.

There was NO NEED to connect the new South Ferry terminal station for the #1 to the Lexington Avenue #4 and #5 tracks. The loop station - both inner and outer loops still exist, and can be used for re-routes, train storage or other activities. It is simply that the passenger access has been removed, and no trains in passenger service go there.

When the #1 train is not running to South Ferry, the TA simply provides a shuttle bus to the nearest operating #1 station - Rector Street, Chambers Street, etc. They have done that for years - it is really not a big deal.

The whole idea of transferring at the Fulton Street station between the 4/5 lines and the 2/3 lines - completely laughable. In light of all the time and effort it takes to get through that station, and the crowds. One could just stay on the whatever train to Wall Street, and walk to the ferry terminal in the time it takes to mess with Fulton Street.

Just my thoughts.
Mike


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Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer

Posted by randyo on Tue Dec 1 12:49:28 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Railman718 on Mon Nov 30 19:19:43 2009.

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If that's the case then it could be done again.

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Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 1 12:57:16 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Pablo M 201 on Tue Dec 1 09:34:19 2009.

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What you are standing by is "not quite true" according to at least one person. And that doesn't even touch the fact that you still inferred something from the OP that wasn't stated and are treating that inference as fact.

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Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 1 13:04:26 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Railman718 on Tue Dec 1 09:59:22 2009.

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Huh? You wrote that. I quoted it. And I responded to it.

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Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer

Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Dec 1 14:06:49 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 30 17:53:18 2009.

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Obviously Alex L. has been making posts as a TSS - - school car instructor yet, even before that he was a C/R, then T/O. He made references to the next T/O and C/R classes, many, many times.

It was Alex's case (which I agreed to) which the diamond crossover was way too far away (much like Jamaica Center, which constricts E service to 12 TPH). He made that point very clear in an MTA public hearing on the SF project back in 2005-6. Had the crossover been built like Times Square on the 7 - - right outside the station - - then the train capacity would have greatly increased - - although it would require some trains to short turn at 137 or Dyckman at the northern end. But at least the level of service within Lower and Midtown Manhattan would be met.

Please stop making assumptions about foamers until you know the facts. Alex is a NYCT employee, not a foamer.

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Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer

Posted by Railman718 on Tue Dec 1 14:22:17 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 1 13:04:26 2009.

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Ok

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Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer

Posted by 7th Avenue Express on Tue Dec 1 14:39:35 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Mon Nov 30 21:15:18 2009.

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I'd rather remain extra than pick a job on the 1, especially when it's running all the way to New Lots

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Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer

Posted by Railman718 on Tue Dec 1 14:43:27 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by 7th Avenue Express on Tue Dec 1 14:39:35 2009.

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Which means you can still see that 1 line everyday you work @ different times. Careful what you wish for needs of the service.....

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Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer

Posted by 7th Avenue Express on Tue Dec 1 14:44:38 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 1 07:17:40 2009.

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And you wouldn't either making manual announcements, sitting in those uncomfortable seats and taking forever to get to New Lots

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Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer

Posted by Railman718 on Tue Dec 1 14:52:06 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by 7th Avenue Express on Tue Dec 1 14:44:38 2009.

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You don't know that.you just focus on what you need to do not others you aren't down here when it comes to our job.

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Re: 5/6/BG-SF Shuttle

Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Dec 1 15:45:57 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by 7th Avenue Express on Mon Nov 30 18:14:40 2009.

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Yes:

Ideally, if the new SF is going to be closed because of the 1 being forced to New Lots, then what I would be doing NOW is building a new stairwell to access the short platform at Bowling Green (and whatever elevators are necessary there for ADA requirements, which probably would be a good idea anyway), setting it up so the short platform at BG can be operations for weekday (I would guess 6:00 AM-9:00 PM) shuttle runs between BG and the old SF station, which obviously would be re-activated for this service to pick up the slack of the loss of 1 train service at SF (with 1 passengers at BG obviously then being able to take the 4/5 to Fulton to get the 1 or 2 train there). The service would be similar to what I previously suggested:

Weekdays (6:00 AM-9:00 PM): Shuttle between Bowling Green and South Ferry (outer loop of old station), using a 2-3 car consist of R62As.

Evenings (9:00 PM-1:00 AM) and weekends: 5 to South Ferry (old station).

Overnights: 6 extended to South Ferry (old station), extended service could start in the evening if there is enough room to have the 4/5/6 all operate between BB express track and Bowling Green after the PM rush hour. 6 could also be extended to South Ferry at all times on weekends if there is enough room to do so with the 4/5.

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Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer

Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Dec 1 15:58:24 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by 7th Avenue Express on Tue Dec 1 14:44:38 2009.

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Well at least the current cars on the (1) are more comfy for the C/Rs than the Low Vs and those old school IRT SMEEs...

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Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer

Posted by rr4567 on Tue Dec 1 16:02:21 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by South Ferry on Mon Nov 30 18:16:14 2009.

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Here: (I think it's this) click here

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Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer

Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Dec 1 16:23:38 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 1 07:22:02 2009.

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Nope, its going to be great. The (1) runs more fequently than the (3) (The line its replacing in BK) so therefore, us IRT BK riders would have more service. Not to mention the sight chance of an car class running on the (2) that doesn't normally run on that line...

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Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer

Posted by Zman179 on Tue Dec 1 16:47:45 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by 7th Avenue Express on Mon Nov 30 18:12:48 2009.

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Sure you can remain extra, if there is an extra slot available when you pick. Otherwise it just might be Helloooooo New Lots!!!

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Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer

Posted by Zman179 on Tue Dec 1 16:49:01 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Railman718 on Mon Nov 30 17:29:28 2009.

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You wish. You love that J line and you know it.

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Re: Ropening old SF for the 5

Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Dec 1 16:54:26 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Pablo M 201 on Mon Nov 30 11:07:39 2009.

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And re-opening the old SF station for the 5 is what I would do.

As noted in another post in this thread, I would also if possible build a stairwell that would allow for the short platform at Bowling Green to be re-activated so the shuttle between BG and SF can operate during peak hours, with the 5 taking over when not running to Brooklyn and the 6 running to SF during overnights, and earlier (and possible all times on weekends) if it does not interfere with the 4/5 at that time.

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Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Dec 1 17:04:22 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Zman179 on Tue Dec 1 16:47:45 2009.

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You're scaring him.

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Re: Ropening old SF for the 5

Posted by arnine on Tue Dec 1 17:04:50 2009, in response to Re: Ropening old SF for the 5, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Dec 1 16:54:26 2009.

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Interesting idea, but doubtful they'd do that. There were many reasons they built s new SF. IIRC 1 good reason is because the old SF station was too short.

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Re-opening old SF Terminal

Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Dec 1 17:09:46 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Michael549 on Tue Dec 1 11:59:42 2009.

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That's where I think it was a mistake:

I would have worked it where the opening of the new terminal for the 1 would also also meant the old SF station would be a terminal during off-peak hours for the 5 (6 overnights) and a revival of the old BG-SF shuttle other times. That to me would have given those who are too lazy to walk (or in late night afraid to walk outside) to BG access at SF. That would have been part of it.

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Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer

Posted by Railman718 on Tue Dec 1 18:17:02 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Zman179 on Tue Dec 1 16:49:01 2009.

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Wont stop some yahoo whos in front of me picking jobs on it either.

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Re: Re-opening old SF Terminal

Posted by rbseabeach on Tue Dec 1 19:39:00 2009, in response to Re-opening old SF Terminal, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Dec 1 17:09:46 2009.

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Great idea

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Re: Re-opening old SF Terminal

Posted by lrg5784 on Tue Dec 1 19:46:38 2009, in response to Re-opening old SF Terminal, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Dec 1 17:09:46 2009.

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What would have been best is if a connection was made between Lexington Avenue and South Ferry. But something like that would probably be more hectic to implement.

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Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer

Posted by G1Ravage on Tue Dec 1 20:46:45 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Railman718 on Mon Nov 30 17:29:28 2009.

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I'll go back if you go back.

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Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer

Posted by Railman718 on Tue Dec 1 20:58:14 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by G1Ravage on Tue Dec 1 20:46:45 2009.

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Can you?

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Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer

Posted by Pelham Bay Dave on Tue Dec 1 21:35:57 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Railman718 on Tue Dec 1 20:58:14 2009.

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He be at Times SQ Mainline with his feet up watching you on the board since RCC does all the work.

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Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer

Posted by Railman718 on Tue Dec 1 21:38:08 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Pelham Bay Dave on Tue Dec 1 21:35:57 2009.

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LOL yeah watching HAL 5000 Jack up the railroad and trains begging for line-ups!

Of coruse there will be NO line-ups for that day...

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Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer

Posted by Pelham Bay Dave on Tue Dec 1 21:44:39 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Dec 1 17:04:22 2009.

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You know its the truth but hey some new jacks have it worst then others. When I was a new C/R I was in that same position and Yes I did 1700 to 0100 going to New Lots 5 days a week.

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Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer

Posted by Railman718 on Tue Dec 1 21:48:46 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Pelham Bay Dave on Tue Dec 1 21:44:39 2009.

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Dave i think some of these New Jack T/O's and C/R's wont make it if the 1 and that deuce will scrape the wall to Crooklyn for the whole summer...

They whine and complain now...

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Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer

Posted by Pelham Bay Dave on Tue Dec 1 21:50:48 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Railman718 on Tue Dec 1 21:48:46 2009.

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You are so right. I seen it during my 3 week visit to the 6 Line. Never seen so many wining rookies that don't know what a hard day really is like.

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