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Posted by Dan on Tue Apr 28 20:32:53 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by daDouce Man on Tue Apr 28 19:22:55 2009. It's on the express tracks which is the lower level at that point. I wonder if it continues down Fort Hamilton Parway? |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Tue Apr 28 21:23:46 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by Dan on Tue Apr 28 20:32:53 2009. I never rode the express train to have noticed the bellmouth.The route likely goes straight down Fort Hamilton. Maybe some minor turns here and there. |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Wed Apr 29 21:42:37 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by Dan on Tue Apr 28 20:32:53 2009. There's no such bellmouth on the lower level. |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Fri May 22 17:48:15 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by bigrene22 on Wed Apr 29 21:42:37 2009. Is there any bellmouths on the (7) or (L) lines? |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Fri May 22 18:43:16 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by bigrene22 on Fri May 22 17:48:15 2009. On the 7 line there are a few locations between Hunterspoint and 5 Avenue that were used as turning loops when the line was a Steinway Trolley. The tail tracks after Times Square speak for themselves. After Queensboro Plaza there is some iron work that suggests there was a provision for a BRT/BMT crosstown El going south on Jackson Avenue heading to Brooklyn.On the L line there was the surface line that went toward Canarsie Pier after Rockaway Parkway. Between Atlantic and New Lotts Aves there was a track connection between the BRT/BMT and the LIRR. And at Montrose Ave there was a temporary track connection to the LIRR there. And I think south of Montrose Ave there was a few feet of tunnel built when builders were going the wrong way toward Morgan Avenue. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri May 22 19:03:04 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by bigrene22 on Wed Apr 29 21:42:37 2009. yes there is. |
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Posted by Jan K. Lorenzen on Fri May 22 20:49:42 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by daDouce Man on Fri May 22 18:43:16 2009. The Montrose tunnel was the way they loaded the Standards into the piece of the Canarsie Line that was built. There were no shop connections yet or any other connection to the line. The BRT towed the subway cars on streetcar tracks to a ramp they built to get into the subway tunnels. If you look up heading into Montrose city bound, the ceiling is still alot higher and before the RFW was fuzzied you could still see vestiges of the ramp. It wasn't a future line, it was merely a ramp in a hole in the ground! |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri May 22 21:48:08 2009, in response to Tunnel stubs, posted by bigrene22 on Tue Mar 3 18:49:05 2009. Are there 2 tunnel stubs north of tracks A1 and A2, north of the 168 St on the "C" line? These tracks would have gone across the GWB, had they been built. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Fri May 22 22:20:35 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by Jan K. Lorenzen on Fri May 22 20:49:42 2009. Bigrene22 was asking about bellmouths on the L line and Montrose was the closest I could think of one. |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Mon Jun 1 17:03:40 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by Dan on Tue Apr 28 20:32:53 2009. When was the false walls east of the 2nd Avenue Station (F/V) installed? |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Sat Aug 22 11:03:20 2009, in response to Tunnel stubs, posted by bigrene22 on Tue Mar 3 18:49:05 2009. Where does the trackways south of 36th St/4th Ave leads to? I can't tell where it ends. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sat Aug 22 11:14:57 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by bigrene22 on Sat Aug 22 11:03:20 2009. There were supposed to have been the original leads to the BMT West End Line. Before they were fenced up, they went downhill then started to make a left. |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Sat Aug 22 11:22:11 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by daDouce Man on Sat Aug 22 11:14:57 2009. Fenced up? |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sat Aug 22 11:24:57 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by bigrene22 on Sat Aug 22 11:22:11 2009. I think it was fenced up to prevent pesky railfans like us from exploring the site.Likely it was to prevent homeless from setting up camp down there. I also heard it might be flooded down there. |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Sat Aug 22 11:29:02 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by daDouce Man on Sat Aug 22 11:24:57 2009. Yeah, I heard that the trackways are 70 ft below water. |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Sat Aug 22 11:32:07 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by bigrene22 on Sat Aug 22 11:03:20 2009. What about the unused trackway that come from your right when riding a S/B D train between 36th/4th and 9th Ave, in the old brick tunnel? |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Sat Aug 22 13:04:06 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by Edwards! on Fri May 22 19:03:04 2009. No, there is not. |
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Posted by Dan on Sat Aug 22 13:22:24 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by bigrene22 on Sat Aug 22 11:32:07 2009. That's the connection from the SBK track that runs around the perimeter of Costco's parking lot. May still be used. |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Sat Aug 22 13:32:40 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by Dan on Sat Aug 22 13:22:24 2009. It has no track in it. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sat Aug 22 14:55:03 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by bigrene22 on Sat Aug 22 11:03:20 2009. Are we speaking of something in the tunnel, or the sealed-up portals (outdoors) that one can see to the south as a D or M train travels between 36th St and 9th Avenue?Those portals look like they were never open- of course they could have been sealed so long ago that the concrete matches.. From this discussion, I'm drawing that the West End Line wasn't originally planned to be on top of the Culver at 9th Avenue- no? |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Sat Aug 22 15:04:36 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by MainR3664 on Sat Aug 22 14:55:03 2009. It's something in the tunnel. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sat Aug 22 15:07:46 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by bigrene22 on Sat Aug 22 15:04:36 2009. Thanks. I just looked at nycsubway.org, which sort of suggests in the tunnel, but still doesn't make it absolutely clear.Maybe in the next few weeks, if I can get an R32 or R42 R train, I could railfan this. I guess I'd see it pulling out of 36th Street southbound? So does anyone know what the dummy portals visible in the cut between 36th St and 9th Avenue may have been intended or even used for? |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Sun Sep 13 10:48:13 2009, in response to Tunnel stubs, posted by bigrene22 on Tue Mar 3 18:49:05 2009. Those stubs south of the 59th Street/4th Avenue station runs for about 150 feet. The S/B trackway has an MoW shed built on it, the N/B trackway is unobstructed, albeit much darker. The N/B trackway ends on a brick wall, giving away evidence of some sort of space beyond. |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Sun Sep 13 11:04:26 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Mar 4 15:52:19 2009. I think a website with all the abandoned stations, bellmouths/tunnel stubs, and provisions would be better. |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Sun Sep 13 11:04:53 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Mar 4 15:52:19 2009. I think a website with all the abandoned stations, bellmouths/tunnel stubs, and provisions put together would be better. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sun Sep 13 11:16:11 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by bigrene22 on Sun Sep 13 11:04:26 2009. like This one?!? |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Sun Sep 13 11:17:30 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by BMTLines on Sun Sep 13 11:16:11 2009. Umm, no. That's only Abandoned Stations. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sun Sep 13 17:49:29 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by bigrene22 on Sun Sep 13 11:17:30 2009. It's a start. |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Sun Sep 13 17:50:58 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by daDouce Man on Sun Sep 13 17:49:29 2009. Alright. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sun Sep 13 17:51:22 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by bigrene22 on Sun Sep 13 11:04:26 2009. A website is fine.But a hacker can come along and change the infomation on it. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sun Sep 13 17:52:03 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by bigrene22 on Sun Sep 13 11:04:53 2009. You're invited to start one. |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Sun Sep 13 17:52:50 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by daDouce Man on Sun Sep 13 17:52:03 2009. What about the other people on here? |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sun Sep 13 18:09:38 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by bigrene22 on Sun Sep 13 17:50:58 2009. Consider it a break from here. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sun Sep 13 18:11:01 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by bigrene22 on Sun Sep 13 17:52:50 2009. Ask them for what they know.But you tie it all together. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Sep 14 04:59:26 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by daDouce Man on Sun Sep 13 17:51:22 2009. LOL! |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Mon Sep 14 10:40:38 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by daDouce Man on Thu Mar 5 05:38:12 2009. It is an under jump that starts under 66th ave west of queens blvd& comes out just before 63rd drive.the section I was in goes under the 4 mainline tracks as a SEPERATE tunnel,it runs apx.200feet.it is sealed up at both ends.there are chaining marks on the wall.I have seen the AS BUILT blueprints& it shows the w/b[tunnel to lirr/whitepot junction]with track,signals&3rd rail in place.I have spoken to 2 seperate sources who have been in this tunnel,the last one sometime in the early 1960`s& have posted on this several times. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Sep 14 14:34:43 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by tunnelrat on Mon Sep 14 10:40:38 2009. If the signals and 3rd rail were in place, is there a possibility that an interlocking machine might have been installed in the room intended to be the tower even if it was never placed in service? |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Mon Sep 14 19:42:34 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by randyo on Mon Sep 14 14:34:43 2009. That would be most logical,captain. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Tue Sep 15 00:55:03 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by daDouce Man on Fri May 22 18:43:16 2009. From a previous message: "After Queensboro Plaza there is some iron work that suggests there was a provision for a BRT/BMT crosstown El going south on Jackson Avenue heading to Brooklyn."The track work at Queensborough Plaza existed at a time when the station was a dual structure to what is there now. There was a separate two level four track two platform structure for BMT trains which along with IRT trains that operated on both the Astoria and Flushing lines. BMT trains (Standards, and similar trains) from Manhattan would terminate and relay on a track out of the station. While trains from Flushing and Astoria would terminate at the station platforms and resume service on the "other line" from which it came. Riders would walk transfer at that station for BMT trains to and from Manhattan. When the Second Avenue elevated line was dismantled, I believe it was decided to have BMT trains dedicated to travel to Astoria, and Flushing trains dedicated to travel to 42nd Street-Timws Square. The BMT structure being redundant was torn down, and the tracks from the 60th Street tunnel routed to what was then the original IRT side of the complex. With the removal of the Second Avenue El, the IRT Flushing line would have no other connection to any other IRT subway line, except for the upper-level cross-over to/from the BMT lines. That cross-over was originally between the IRT subway trains to/from Times Square and the Second Avenue elevated. Over the years, the un-necesary tracks were removed, while much of the iron-work remains to support the existing train lines. That iron-work is not evidence of BRT-BMT cross-town route. Mike |
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Posted by qveensboro_plaza on Tue Sep 15 03:06:32 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by Michael549 on Tue Sep 15 00:55:03 2009. I have not looked closely at the site in some time, but on the outside face of the large south structural girder that crosses Jackson Avenue - this is some of the remaining track structure that the BMT used under the original arrangement - aren't there some vertical elements where girders to a Jackson Avenue extension could have been attached?It raises the question of how the BMT planned to connect their proposed crosstown line to the Queensboro Plaza station. The Jackson Avenue junction with the existing structure seems the most logical place, and I am guessing the crosstown trains would have terminated at the same platform as the Flushing/Astoria shuttle trains, unless there were plans to run through trains into Manhattan. This would have made the BMT side of the station a major transfer point, and arguably more convenient for Brooklyn riders to/from Manhattan than the old GG service to Queens Plaza. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Tue Sep 15 10:24:52 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by qveensboro_plaza on Tue Sep 15 03:06:32 2009. The brt layup track that paralells the #7 to flushing WAS intended to be a subway/el following much of of what is todays G line.look at the early drawings of QP& you`ll see the BRT line drawn in.At bedford/nostrand on the G is a 600foot brt subway tunnel that crosses under the G at this point.this tunnel was rediscovered in 1965 by a signal maintainer& his helper who[IIRC]were cleaning out a fan chamber&found a manhole,opened it up,smelled freshly poured concrete,went down a rung ladder& found themselves on a 600 foot empty subway tunnel that the T.A.had no blueprints on.thru extensive research I found out the end of the franklin shuttle was supposed to connect to QBP& this section of tunnel was built in anticapation of the G being built.no provision for a transfer station was built here.I never could find the entrance to this tunnel& am still trying[when the urge hits me]Joe brennan mentions this section on his website. |
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Posted by jan k. lorenzen on Tue Sep 15 12:51:09 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by daDouce Man on Fri May 22 22:20:35 2009. I guess you could say its a bellmouth going UP. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Tue Sep 15 21:18:56 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by tunnelrat on Tue Sep 15 10:24:52 2009. Where on the Bedfrrd/Nostrand Station was this BRT tunnel?Frm what I read in a bok abut Rapid Transit on Long Island there was a line planned from east Of Queens Plaza all the way to Franklin/Fulton with a transfer with the Brooklyn Broadway line at (I think) Driggs St on the old spur to the East River. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Sep 16 02:12:54 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by tunnelrat on Mon Sep 14 19:42:34 2009. I agree, but that still doesn't answer my question. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Wed Sep 16 10:42:47 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by randyo on Mon Sep 14 14:34:43 2009. sure it does,i,m agreeing with you[give me your street adress&I,ll send you a quarter to dial"get a sence of humor"lol. |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Thu Sep 17 11:31:42 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by daDouce Man on Fri Mar 6 12:47:44 2009. A Master Light Switch that looks like.... |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Thu Sep 17 15:15:46 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by bigrene22 on Thu Sep 17 11:31:42 2009. I didn't have that great a flashlight. |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Thu Sep 17 15:48:12 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by daDouce Man on Thu Sep 17 15:15:46 2009. Okay. |
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Posted by modelrider on Thu Sep 17 18:14:52 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Mar 4 21:46:00 2009. There's a empty space just south of 14th Street on the SB 8th Ave line. It seems out of place, but I've written it off as a consequence of construction. Reading this thread, however, makes me rethink it. The IND didn't really build anything without some kind of purpose.Any ideas? |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Thu Sep 17 19:03:26 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by modelrider on Thu Sep 17 18:14:52 2009. I didn't see it. I only see an MoW shed. |
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