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Posted by 6 Train on Sun Aug 23 15:43:45 2009 Hey guys i know its been along time since i last posted something but i have a question.How long do you think the 32's are going to last. I know they scraped almost all of them and there's some still left on the E,F, and R. Correct me if im wrong. I say they're going to last at least until December |
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Posted by Bzuck on Sun Aug 23 15:46:43 2009, in response to R32 How long, posted by 6 Train on Sun Aug 23 15:43:45 2009. Theu currently provide 100% of the C service and one or two A's. They are no longer used at all on the E. They can be found on the F and R, but not many.I figure the ones running on the C will be the last to go, probably in the spring of next year. |
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Posted by 6 Train on Sun Aug 23 15:47:50 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by Bzuck on Sun Aug 23 15:46:43 2009. Aren't the R38's on the C |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Aug 23 15:50:34 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by 6 Train on Sun Aug 23 15:47:50 2009. Not the "C"; the SEA.=w= |
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Posted by 7 Local on Sun Aug 23 15:50:42 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by 6 Train on Sun Aug 23 15:47:50 2009. Not since about March |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Aug 23 15:55:40 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by 6 Train on Sun Aug 23 15:47:50 2009. No. All the 38s are retired. The C is 100% R32, for now. |
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Posted by 6 Train on Sun Aug 23 16:02:41 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by MainR3664 on Sun Aug 23 15:55:40 2009. O ok thanks. But how long do you think the 32's are going to last |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Sun Aug 23 16:03:01 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by Bzuck on Sun Aug 23 15:46:43 2009. I was hoping to find R-32s to the Rockaways when I returned to New York back in February and I rode one. Was I just at the right place at the right time or were there more of 'em on the "A" back then. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Aug 23 16:05:32 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by Bzuck on Sun Aug 23 15:46:43 2009. "I figure the ones running on the C will be the last to go, probably in the spring of next year."I would guess that your guess is likely incorrect. I'd guess no later than early November. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Aug 23 16:10:44 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by 6 Train on Sun Aug 23 16:02:41 2009. I don't work for Transit and I have no inside source of information. But if I had to GUESS, I'd say less than 1 year. The R160s are coming in fast and furious, and other equipment, especially R46s are moving around the system. I'd say the TA wants to rid itself all 40+ year-old equipment super-ASAP. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Aug 23 16:12:03 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by Train Dude on Sun Aug 23 16:05:32 2009. There ya go- Train Dude's guess is probably closest, because it's not really a guess, is it now? |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Aug 23 16:17:22 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by Bzuck on Sun Aug 23 15:46:43 2009. R32's are no longer allowed on the F. The Jamaica ones are confined to R/V. The 207 assigned ones provide 100% of C service, with a smattering on the A.By this time next year, the only 60' cars on the B division will be R160's. R46's, while remaining in Queens for R/V, will also be running on A/C where needed to provide service requirements. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Aug 23 16:25:34 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Aug 23 16:17:22 2009. Would the bosses allow an R32 on the F in an emergency? |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Aug 23 16:28:06 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by MainR3664 on Sun Aug 23 16:25:34 2009. Certainly an R32 (or R42 for that matter), would run on the F (or E) in order to avoid an abandonment. This is standard operating procedure. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Aug 23 16:36:23 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Aug 23 16:28:06 2009. I assume "abondonment" means dropping a run? |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Aug 23 16:48:53 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by MainR3664 on Sun Aug 23 16:36:23 2009. Not necessarily an entire run but a trip. |
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Posted by west end on Sun Aug 23 17:11:07 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by Train Dude on Sun Aug 23 16:05:32 2009. It can't happen fast enough. They are killing the "C" service. Train failed come out of 207st Yard today becase of smoke issuing. Conductors being taken to the hospital because of hot cars on the "C" line. One on Friday and one on Saturday. |
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Posted by R33/R36 mainline on Sun Aug 23 17:38:50 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by west end on Sun Aug 23 17:11:07 2009. Damn, now I don't like R160s at all and I'm a big fan of the RFW and the R32-R42 cars in all but if theres problems that are causing C/R's to be sent to the hospital then its time for these cars to go! |
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Posted by R160 8818 on Sun Aug 23 18:02:53 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by MainR3664 on Sun Aug 23 16:10:44 2009. The R46s stopped moving around after the R40 slants were retired. Now they're almost done with the rest of the R40s at Jamaica, after which they'll start retiring the R32s and R42s out of Jamaica as well. The R32s out of 207th and the R42s out of ENY will be the last to survive. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Aug 23 22:04:15 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by randyo on Sun Aug 23 16:48:53 2009. That's sorta what I meant. Thanks. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Aug 23 22:05:03 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by R160 8818 on Sun Aug 23 18:02:53 2009. Seems logical. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Mon Aug 24 00:31:02 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by west end on Sun Aug 23 17:11:07 2009. Yes, I was working along the (C) line recently, and we had numerous ABD's due to hot cars.ABD's on the (C) are bad. Only makes the line worse when you can't even maintain an already exasperated 10-minute headway. |
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Posted by arnine on Mon Aug 24 06:10:16 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by G1Ravage on Mon Aug 24 00:31:02 2009. Sorry but what is an ABD? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 24 07:57:49 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by arnine on Mon Aug 24 06:10:16 2009. abandoned headway, IINM |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 24 07:58:04 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by arnine on Mon Aug 24 06:10:16 2009. i.e. abandoned run, IINM |
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Posted by arnine on Mon Aug 24 08:39:18 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 24 07:58:04 2009. Ok that makes sense, thank you :) |
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Posted by irt1958 on Mon Aug 24 09:27:52 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by west end on Sun Aug 23 17:11:07 2009. "Hot cars" Haven't heard that since the days of the LO-vs, and Arnines. (Faulty journals) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 24 10:15:41 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by irt1958 on Mon Aug 24 09:27:52 2009. The term "hot car" is used all the time in today's day and age. Very surprised you haven't heard it. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Aug 24 11:43:06 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Aug 23 16:17:22 2009. So the F will be 100% R160? |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Mon Aug 24 12:47:17 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Aug 24 11:43:06 2009. Yes, with this order coming in. That will allow R46's to replace R32/40M/42 on the R/V initially. |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Mon Aug 24 12:52:16 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Mon Aug 24 12:47:17 2009. Is there a chance they will have to convert 4 car R46s to A/B units for 6 car trains or are they going to run the C as ten car length trains since they don't have enough AAs? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 24 12:54:25 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by BLE-NIMX on Mon Aug 24 12:52:16 2009. The C would be running full 600' trains. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Mon Aug 24 13:00:38 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by BLE-NIMX on Mon Aug 24 12:52:16 2009. 600' trains will be on the C next year when their R32's are retired by next year. I believe TD says by spring 2010.From a few posts here, in regard to all the a/c failures on the R32's, I don't think they want to got thru another summer with them. I bet the ones formerly at Jamaica are the ones REALLY screwing up! I don't see NYCT spending money breaking up 4 car R46 units. It would be at a high cost as you need hostlers to move the B cars and put in electric portions on the open end. Plus, a 6 car R46 is 450' and an 8 car R32 is 480', meaning less capacity and issues with the c/r board and CCTV's at curved stations. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Aug 24 13:29:45 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Aug 23 15:50:34 2009. Oh, a wise guy, eh? Tweak! Poke! Slap! |
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Posted by R32_3671 on Mon Aug 24 15:36:57 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Mon Aug 24 13:00:38 2009. I would give the R32's until atleast late 2010, The A/C problem can be fixed, All they need to do is keep a very small amount of R32's for Rush Hour service. |
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Posted by Widecab5 on Mon Aug 24 17:16:35 2009, in response to R32 How long, posted by 6 Train on Sun Aug 23 15:43:45 2009. The retirement rate at Jamaica is about one 10-car train (various types) per week.FWIW I Speculate as follows: On August 17 there were 16 trains of 60-footers; 81 trains of R-46's; and 42 trains of R-160's. The E needs 26 (all R-160). The F needs 45 (roughly 30 R-46 and 15 R-160). The G needs 12 4's (48 cars or 6 trains, all R-46). The R gets roughly 36 R-46's and 3 60-footers. The V gets roughly 4 R-46 trains and 9 60-footers. Assuming there is one new train accepted each week (as has been the case), there should be enough to replace all the 60-footers along about R-160 Train #53. Also assuming the R-46's stay maxed out and the 60-footers get squeezed out (in other words the spares get tightened), there would be ROUGHLY 9-11 weeks left for the R-32's and R-42's at Jamaica (the R-40 Mods appear a cinch to disappear by the end of August). That brings us to about the end of October. Again, assuming one new train per week beyond that (Trains #54 thru 78), and one corresponding R-46 move for each to the A and C, it would take ROUGHLY 18-20 weeks to accumulate enough R-46's to replace the Phase I R-32's. That appears to bring us ROUGHLY into March of 2010. So, the answer to the question would be...ROUGHLY...October 2009 for the R-32's at Jamaica and March of 2010 for the R-32's at 207 Street, ASSUMING the spare ratios are squeezed a little to accelerate the removal of older cars. Depending on when the Option I R-160A/Dash 1's begin to arrive at East New York, it's a guess that the MK R-42's on the J/Z will be around into the summer and fall of 2010. The 9943-9974 group will have CBTC which might make acceptance a tad longer to achieve, at least at first. We shall see! Regards, George Chiasson Jr. (Widecab5@aol.com) |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Mon Aug 24 17:38:36 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by R32_3671 on Mon Aug 24 15:36:57 2009. Sure the A/C problem can be fixed: by replacing them with OK units taken out retired cars. Will they do it? Absolutely not as they are not putting any time and effort into these cars, just the basic maintance. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Mon Aug 24 17:45:52 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by Widecab5 on Mon Aug 24 17:16:35 2009. For the past year or so, R46 cars have been undergoing SMS at CI Main Shop. Once that program is completed (I have no idea how many have been done and how many are left) this would further accellerate retirements of the old 60' stock. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Aug 24 18:05:09 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by Widecab5 on Mon Aug 24 17:16:35 2009. "We shall see"= TRUTH. Oridinary humans, such as all of us, really never can tell how something will work out until and if it actually does. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Mon Aug 24 19:17:48 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 24 07:58:04 2009. Yes, an "abandoned" interval.For example, let me give you an imaginary "stretch", or flex of headway which occurs when a train needs to be ABD'd, in order to provide even headways. Let's say we have these five intervals on the (C): 1700 1710 1720 1730 1740 The train that arrived at Washington Heights - 168 Street to make the 1720 has too many hot cars, and needs to return to the yard. Now there's no train to make the 1720. The 1720 out of 168 will be ABD'd for no train, and the preceding interval adjusted. The new intervals are: 1700 1715 1730 1740 So the line temporary operates on an extended headway of 15 minutes, and then goes back to normal after the abandoned interval. |
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Posted by arnine on Mon Aug 24 19:21:46 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by G1Ravage on Mon Aug 24 19:17:48 2009. Cool thank you for posting this |
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Posted by MJF on Mon Aug 24 20:30:36 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Mon Aug 24 13:00:38 2009. Agree that they won't spend the money to create more AB sets. Disagree abouth them needing a hostler. IIRC, the R44s never had a hostler. We managed okay with them. |
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Posted by Billy P. on Mon Aug 24 20:52:12 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by MJF on Mon Aug 24 20:30:36 2009. Sure, YOU managed OK, but how will file #4000 handle it? |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Mon Aug 24 20:58:13 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by Billy P. on Mon Aug 24 20:52:12 2009. Exactly. Us old timers feel the job has been dumbed down to a fault. Sure, a hostler is not needed, even if 4 car units were seperated to accomodate 6 car/75' trains on the C. I wouldn't trust these new jacks with cuts and adds between B cars being accomplished by the necessity of having to operate from the A car. We did it with the R44's back in the day when they were all singles, but I just don't trust these new guys today. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Aug 24 21:16:36 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by G1Ravage on Mon Aug 24 19:17:48 2009. Or of the T/D finds out about it in time, he/she can go on 12 min from 1700 to 1800 and drop the affected interval. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Aug 24 21:17:34 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by irt1958 on Mon Aug 24 09:27:52 2009. I never heard "hot car" only "hot journal." |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 24 21:19:12 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by irt1958 on Mon Aug 24 09:27:52 2009. Hot cars defined as cars with inoperative or poorly performing HVAC systems. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Aug 24 21:37:09 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Mon Aug 24 20:58:13 2009. I wouldn't trust these new jacks with cuts and adds between B cars being accomplished by the necessity of having to operate from the A car. We did it with the R44's back in the day when they were all singles, but I just don't trust these new guys today.Nah our Jobs(T/O's) are compared to flipping burgers as one poster here said... |
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Posted by checkthedoorlight on Mon Aug 24 22:14:51 2009, in response to R32 How long, posted by 6 Train on Sun Aug 23 15:43:45 2009. Caught my first (and last?) R32 on the V tonight. |
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Posted by b/p rupture on Mon Aug 24 22:32:15 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by Railman718 on Mon Aug 24 21:37:09 2009. Nah our Jobs(T/O's) are compared to flipping burgers as one poster here said...Sure they are, as I'm certain many a burger flipper has received 30 days in the street for over |
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