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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Aug 2 20:30:06 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Aug 2 11:29:23 2009. Shouldn't such be built into the plans of the building by the architect? I would say that the architect goofed. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Aug 2 20:39:58 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Aug 2 20:30:06 2009. Shouldn't such be built into the plans of the building by the architect?The most effective control, as we discussed in the second incarnation of this topic, would involve vibration control at the source, meaning the ground on which the locomotives idle out. That has to be done in cooperation with LIRR, in the Borden Yard, at developer/condominium expense. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Aug 2 20:44:08 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Aug 2 20:39:58 2009. Which is why these things should be contained in a single thread. Thanks. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Aug 2 21:05:51 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by WillD on Sun Aug 2 16:06:33 2009. Maybe that would require rebuilding the engines.It is ok to provide shore power to the consist, and even to heat the engine compartment. But to run pumps? Are they electric pumps or mechanical pumps? If the latter then how to make them run on electracticity. LION thinks building a building over the yard is the weigh to go. Put in a bigbox store and another condo and you are all set. ROAR |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 3 00:48:21 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Aug 2 16:33:50 2009. The photo with the tracks is right on the MLS Multiple Listing, that trains are fun linked to! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 3 00:50:59 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Aug 2 17:03:10 2009. And the yard was clearly there when they walked in the door, it's a little hard to miss, being as big as it is. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 3 00:51:55 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Sun Aug 2 15:31:40 2009. All farms spread manure and irrigate. Nothing is changed. |
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Posted by JBar387 on Mon Aug 3 01:38:18 2009, in response to LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by Doctor B on Sun Aug 2 07:58:00 2009. Fits them! |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Aug 3 03:49:39 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 3 00:51:55 2009. I suggest you do some research, then. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Aug 3 07:47:50 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by WillD on Sun Aug 2 16:06:33 2009. Not without added expenses for manpower, to plug in the trains and re-test before use. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Aug 3 09:15:47 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 3 00:48:21 2009. The MLS listing photo is froma building called Arris Lofts, not One Hunters Point.But the website for the latter clears everything up, as discussed; you can even see what appears to be to the permanent high platform at LIC going in. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Aug 3 09:16:56 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Aug 3 07:47:50 2009. Couldn't the engineer do this? Would the manpower cost (1-2 employees) be cheaper in the long run over letting these locomotives idle all day long? (Fuel, wear, environmental concerns...) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 3 09:33:31 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Aug 3 09:16:56 2009. And even if it was easy to start diesels (which it's not), how do you propose they keep the lights lit for the cleaning crews? How do you expect them to keep the AC cool for when it goes back in service, or the heat warm for when they go back in service?Etc. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 3 09:34:34 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 3 09:33:31 2009. Good points by you. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Aug 3 09:55:36 2009, in response to LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by Doctor B on Sun Aug 2 07:58:00 2009. How often you guys gonna bring this up just so you can say the same old shit over and over?your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Aug 3 10:11:14 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 3 09:33:31 2009. Railroads have had 'hotel power' at terminals for decades. The elders among us will recall that in the pre-Amtrak era, you could board a sleeper at a terminal well before your departure time. As far as HVAC goes, it's not like you're going to restart those locos minutes before the train is due. Restart an hour before the departure time, that's plenty of time for the HVAC to make the car comfortable. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Aug 3 10:17:13 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Aug 3 10:11:14 2009. it's not like you're going to restart those locos minutes before the train is due. Restart an hour before the departure timeBut in that case, LIRR would hardly be able to respond thereby to the residents' complaints, which is the whole motivation for hotel power, isn't it? |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Mon Aug 3 10:25:36 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR for the Umpteenth Asperger Posted Time, posted by Fred G on Mon Aug 3 09:55:36 2009. Uh oh, Freddy G. is pissed... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 3 10:30:17 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Aug 3 10:11:14 2009. And you don't think they wouldn't complain even if it was an hour before the train left? Get real.And these people are the same people that probably complain on a train when it's hot in the train in the summer and cold in the train in the winter. There's no satisfying people like this. They bought their cake. Now they can go and eat it. Why the hell should the taxpayers and LIRR pay for something that was always there, just because these people were too dumb to see the railroad tracks outside their window when they bought? |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Aug 3 10:32:45 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR for the Umpteenth Asperger Posted Time, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Mon Aug 3 10:25:36 2009. Nah, just another repetitive SubChat day.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Mon Aug 3 10:33:24 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR for the Umpteenth Asperger Posted Time, posted by Fred G on Mon Aug 3 10:32:45 2009. Yup, nothing new. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Aug 3 10:36:22 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Aug 3 10:17:13 2009. Huh? |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Aug 3 10:36:52 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR for the Umpteenth Asperger Posted Time, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Mon Aug 3 10:33:24 2009. Beatin a dead horse is what we do best.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Aug 3 10:37:24 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 3 10:30:17 2009. There's more benefit to it than just addressing the noise and pollution complaints of the residents. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Mon Aug 3 10:37:36 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR for the Umpteenth Asperger Posted Time, posted by Fred G on Mon Aug 3 10:36:52 2009. Well, what else is there better to do here? Flame? That's our #1 priority! |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Aug 3 10:39:10 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR for the Umpteenth Asperger Posted Time, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Mon Aug 3 10:37:36 2009. Haha, Flamed dead horse, just like Burger King :Dyour pal, Fred |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Aug 3 10:40:16 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Aug 3 10:36:22 2009. If LIRR were to start the locomotive up 1 hour before instead of 2 hours before, do you really think that would be responsive to the criticism? I think not, and considering the cost, it's hardly worth it.Easiest course is for the residents' condominiums to simply foot the bill for vibration-dampening measures in the yard. Do an assessment in the buildings, it's only a 1-2 year bump in common charges, they get rid of the problem permanently, and LIRR operations aren't affected. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Aug 3 10:44:12 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Aug 3 10:40:16 2009. The issue is that the locos are idling all day, not when they're started. They'll need to learn to live with the fact they've moved in next to a train yard; but there's no reason when, especially in these cost and environmentally conscious times, that they should idle all day if there are solutions available to prevent it.Like I said, there is more to it than just satisfying the nearby residents. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Mon Aug 3 10:44:40 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR for the Umpteenth Asperger Posted Time, posted by Fred G on Mon Aug 3 10:39:10 2009. LOL! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 3 10:47:41 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Aug 3 10:44:12 2009. Have you not thought that its more cost effective to keep them running? Not only for the power needed during the day for maintenance, but also to keep the AC/Heat at a proper level. It costs much more to heat up an ice cold train, or cool down a all day oven roasted train than to keep it at a certain temperature. Not to mention, as well as manpower costs.And that said, there WILL be no satisfying these people unless the yard was taken away, and it's THEM that moved next to rail yard, not the other way around. This isn't even a case of NIMBY...as the yard was there a century and a half before them.... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 3 10:48:12 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Aug 3 10:37:24 2009. That is addressed in my other post. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 3 10:48:48 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR for the Umpteenth Asperger Posted Time, posted by Fred G on Mon Aug 3 10:36:52 2009. Would you rather hear "My plan for the M train" for the 200th time????? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 3 10:49:10 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR for the Umpteenth Asperger Posted Time, posted by Fred G on Mon Aug 3 10:39:10 2009. Venison. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 3 10:57:35 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 3 10:47:41 2009. If you turn off a locomotive, then when you go to start it up again, there's all sorts of lengthy procedures and inspections required before you can go. But I figured I'd sit back and see if anyone other than Dutch would mention it. :) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 3 11:08:05 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 3 10:57:35 2009. Yup. These idiot new residents want to screw up the entire LIRR because they decided to buy a condo next to a rail yard in an industrial area. You got to read the original article linked in the first post.....the comments by some of these idiot condo owners is hysterical! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 3 11:13:47 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 3 11:08:05 2009. No thanks. Heh. Railroad is 1/4 mile from my house and CSX has shiny new Darth Vaders where JAX forgets to clear up for them, so same issue right here all through the night. You get used to it. New York Central built the Albany bypass in 1924, I bought here in 1987, so I know I'm boned and accept it. When I first moved here, there were maybe four trains a day, now it's over 60. So sympathy is *not* in the cards for them outta THIS house.And oh yeah, two grade crossings too. :) |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Aug 3 11:23:42 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR for the Umpteenth Asperger Posted Time, posted by Fred G on Mon Aug 3 10:36:52 2009. is that a dead Iron Horse?ROAR |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 3 11:26:20 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR for the Umpteenth Asperger Posted Time, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Aug 3 11:23:42 2009. Nope ... that would be the M/V combo. :) |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Aug 3 12:18:27 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 3 10:47:41 2009. Again, you're missing my point. If that power could be supplied from another source, OTHER than an idling locomotive, it would have MORE BENEFIT than just quieting these residents. I agree, they moved in next to a rail yard, and they need to accept it. But there ARE solutions to the problem that should be examined. Neither you or I are experts on how cost effective it is to make this kind of a change, but to not look at the possibilities at all is a mistake.As for it costing more to cool a hot train than to keep a train cool all day, that's a fallacy. Let's say it takes 1 hour to cool a given space to 10 degrees below ambient air temperature; to keep that space at that constant temperature for 6 hours the AC must run for 15 minutes every hour, which option has the higher cost? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Aug 3 13:32:01 2009, in response to LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by Doctor B on Sun Aug 2 07:58:00 2009. I can see a headline - LIRR to whiners: get a life. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 3 14:11:40 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Aug 3 12:18:27 2009. It's not a fallacy that shutting off an AC unit completely, and letting the train bake in the sun all day is only going to increase the temperature "10 degrees". It will bake to a lot more than that.... And you are also forgetting that the workers have to clean the trains, and have to be on them for some time also during the course of the day. So they should have to work in some humid hot sweat pit in the summer or in the ice cold in winter? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 3 14:12:55 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR for the Umpteenth Asperger Posted Time, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 3 11:26:20 2009. Just kidding!! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 3 14:13:26 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR for the Umpteenth Asperger Posted Time, posted by Fred G on Mon Aug 3 09:55:36 2009. Speaking of Aspergers.....whatever happened to Ron in Bayside? |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Aug 3 14:29:34 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 3 14:11:40 2009. It's not a fallacy that shutting off an AC unit completely, and letting the train bake in the sun all day is only going to increase the temperature "10 degrees".That's not what Hank said. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Aug 3 14:52:15 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR for the Umpteenth Asperger Posted Time, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 3 14:13:26 2009. Finally found a job in Reno... |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Aug 3 14:52:55 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Aug 2 17:11:36 2009. Good catch! |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Aug 3 15:18:55 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 3 14:11:40 2009. Please re-read my statements. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Aug 3 15:20:38 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR for the Umpteenth Asperger Posted Time, posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Aug 3 14:52:15 2009. Is that really him? |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Aug 3 16:43:02 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR for the Umpteenth Asperger Posted Time, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Aug 3 15:20:38 2009. According to the few Subchatters who met him in person, it is. That video was posted on OT Chat some time ago. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 3 16:46:33 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR for the Umpteenth Asperger Posted Time, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 3 14:13:26 2009. ???? You didn't see the youtube clip that was posted a few months ago? Ron was found. I thought you commented on it too. |
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