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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 15:14:43 2009, in response to Short Trains?, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Apr 13 14:56:23 2009. The J and M did until 1997. The B and C did until 1995 (6 car B, 4-car C). 4-car K trains were used in 1987. Some weekend 6 trains used 7 cars in the early 90's. |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Mon Apr 13 15:25:33 2009, in response to Short Trains?, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Apr 13 14:56:23 2009. In 1997, 5 trains used 6-car trains on weekends. And in the early 1990's, 4 trains used 8-cars on weekends. |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Mon Apr 13 15:50:29 2009, in response to Re: Short Trains?, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Mon Apr 13 15:25:33 2009. The R62s were already linked as 5-car units by 1991, so how was that possible on the 4 then? |
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Posted by checkthedoorlight on Mon Apr 13 15:52:26 2009, in response to Short Trains?, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Apr 13 14:56:23 2009. The 42 St Shuttle uses 3, 3 and 4 cars.The Rockaway Park shuttle uses 4 cars. The Franklin Shuttle uses 2. The C, JZ, M, L uses 8 (60 ft) cars. For most of the Eastern Div stations, they can only platform 480 ft anyway. The G uses 4 cars at all times. The M uses 4 cars on weekends, when running from Metropolitan to Myrtle. The 5 uses 5 cars when running as the Dyre shuttle. Somebody is probably gonna come in here and say that the R uses a short train when running as the 4 Av shuttle, but that is not true. The Jamaica-Kew Gardens E shuttle also uses a full 10 cars. |
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Posted by G1RavagesDad on Mon Apr 13 16:18:54 2009, in response to Re: Short Trains?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 15:14:43 2009. I remember catching a four car D train at about 4:00 in the morning back in 1972 or 1973, going from The Bronx to Brighton Beach with my girlfriend. The T/O was pulling up to the front of every station, so people standing in the rear half of the station had to run like hell to get to the rear car.....which is what happened to us when we boarded at 183rd Street. |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Mon Apr 13 16:34:03 2009, in response to Re: Short Trains?, posted by R42 4787 on Mon Apr 13 15:50:29 2009. If memory serves right, I do remember seeing 8-car R62s as early as that same year, 1991 or so on a few weekends. They were in the process of being linked as the cars i remember were being moved into sequence (many were placed in sequences like 1301-10, 1471-80...and so forth). All the cars were linked by 1993 or so by then, IIRC...I also saw trains of Redbirds on the 4 operating 8-cars at that same time as well... |
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Posted by checkthedoorlight on Mon Apr 13 16:36:57 2009, in response to Re: Short Trains?, posted by G1RavagesDad on Mon Apr 13 16:18:54 2009. That's what it's like riding the G at any given time - 300 ft trains on 700 ft platforms.....and many stations have different stopping points depending on if it's OPTO or not, so you might not always be standing in the right place. |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Mon Apr 13 16:49:02 2009, in response to Re: Short Trains?, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Mon Apr 13 16:34:03 2009. Actually the last R62 trainset to be linked was supposed to be the one (1431-40) wrecked at Union Square. Had the wreck not occured, it would have been linked shortly afterward. All 10 cars from 1431 to 1440 were already in one train at the time, but not yet consecutively joined. |
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Posted by D to E to Jamaica on Mon Apr 13 18:04:22 2009, in response to Re: Short Trains?, posted by R42 4787 on Mon Apr 13 16:49:02 2009. the midnight A in the late 90's ran 4 car R-44's. Also didn't the 3 shuttle (148-135) run a full length train? |
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Posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Mon Apr 13 18:33:24 2009, in response to Re: Short Trains?, posted by D to E to Jamaica on Mon Apr 13 18:04:22 2009. The 3 ran 6 car trains on Sundays. about 12? years ago maybe more? |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Mon Apr 13 21:58:16 2009, in response to Re: Short Trains?, posted by checkthedoorlight on Mon Apr 13 15:52:26 2009. SIR uses 2-car runs overnight. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Apr 13 22:28:51 2009, in response to Re: Short Trains?, posted by checkthedoorlight on Mon Apr 13 15:52:26 2009. Thank you. This is what I was looking for, though the info about the 42 St S was a bit overkill. And the Jamaica-Kew Gardens shuttle was a bit much, since that is not a regular thing.What about the Lefferts shuttle, and other nighttime shuttles that might not have been mentioned? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 13 23:04:07 2009, in response to Re: Short Trains?, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Apr 13 22:28:51 2009. This is what I was looking for I was wondering why everyone was listing short trains from the past when you clearly were asking about the present. Thanks for confirming. Take Pride,
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Posted by G1Ravage on Mon Apr 13 23:11:21 2009, in response to Re: Short Trains?, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Apr 13 22:28:51 2009. The Lefferts shuttle is four cars. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Apr 14 07:32:54 2009, in response to Re: Short Trains?, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 13 23:04:07 2009. Yeah. It's like they don't know what present tense verbs look like. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Apr 14 08:11:57 2009, in response to Short Trains?, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Apr 13 14:56:23 2009. I thought most trains were pretty much the same height give or take a couple of inches. I do know they shortened the Q cars somewhat. |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Apr 14 08:17:21 2009, in response to Re: Short Trains?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Apr 14 08:11:57 2009. They seem taller now that the overhead fans are gone.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Tue Apr 14 18:31:22 2009, in response to Re: Short Trains?, posted by R42 4787 on Mon Apr 13 16:49:02 2009. I kinda wonder if it was just a strange coincidence that it so happened to be the last 10-car train full of singles that was crashed. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Tue Apr 14 18:34:41 2009, in response to Re: Short Trains?, posted by G1Ravage on Mon Apr 13 23:11:21 2009. Thanks, I was wondering about that. |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Tue Apr 14 20:30:09 2009, in response to Re: Short Trains?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 15:14:43 2009. Interesting.... |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Tue Apr 14 20:32:02 2009, in response to Short Trains?, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Apr 13 14:56:23 2009. How long the B train running with 10 cars? The same with the E. |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Tue Apr 14 20:38:17 2009, in response to Re: Short Trains?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 15:14:43 2009. The J and M trains was always 8 (60 ft) cars. The same with the C. On weekends in the 90s (until May 1999), the C train ran 4 (60 ft) cars, when it ran from 168th Street, Washington Heights to WTC. |
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Posted by Bzuck on Tue Apr 14 20:45:41 2009, in response to Re: Short Trains?, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 13 23:04:07 2009. The weekend D runs with 8 cars.The weekend GG uses 3 cars. It uses 4 mid day and 8 in the rush hour. The mid day QT uses 6 cars, and 8 cars in rush hours. Most weekend QB's use 8 cars, but sometimes 6 on Sunday in the winter. Ths Culver always has 2 cars. The Franklin uses 3. Both use Standards. The A almost always has 10 cars, but sometines 8 on weekends. The AA usually uses 4. The BB and CC use 8. |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Tue Apr 14 20:46:27 2009, in response to Short Trains?, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Apr 13 14:56:23 2009. Why run short trains anyways? (Not including the shuttles) |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Tue Apr 14 20:49:37 2009, in response to Re: Short Trains?, posted by bigrene22 on Tue Apr 14 20:46:27 2009. Didn't the D train ran 4 (75 ft) cars of the R68/R68A at one time? |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Tue Apr 14 20:55:05 2009, in response to Re: Short Trains?, posted by Bzuck on Tue Apr 14 20:45:41 2009. How long every subway line have been running with it's current train lengths? |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Tue Apr 14 23:13:02 2009, in response to Re: Short Trains?, posted by bigrene22 on Tue Apr 14 20:55:05 2009. 7 has been 11 cars 51' (561') since the R12/14/15 era, with platform lengthening in 1953. |
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Posted by Brightonr68 on Tue Apr 14 23:25:56 2009, in response to Re: Short Trains?, posted by checkthedoorlight on Mon Apr 13 16:36:57 2009. I remember chasing at dekalb. If they are going to run short trains they need to label the platform better. Green edge stripe always stops. Yellow sometimes stops. Lighting could be used as well |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Apr 15 00:34:36 2009, in response to Re: Short Trains?, posted by Brightonr68 on Tue Apr 14 23:25:56 2009. Agreed. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Apr 15 00:59:44 2009, in response to Re: Short Trains?, posted by G1RavagesDad on Mon Apr 13 16:18:54 2009. hold on..I thought the D ran 6 car train during the late nights during those days.. |
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Posted by JBar387 on Wed Apr 15 01:37:37 2009, in response to Re: Short Trains?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 15:14:43 2009. I remember until the early 90's (G)'s were 8 cars weekdays and 4 cars on weekends. But that was when R-32's ruled the line! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Apr 15 08:03:47 2009, in response to Re: Short Trains?, posted by G1RavagesDad on Mon Apr 13 16:18:54 2009. I always found myself near the northern end of the platform at 34th St. on the 6th Ave. line, always forgetting it's over 700 feet long, and having to make a mad dash when a 10-car D would pull in. Nowadays I have to remind myself that the lead motor almost always pulls up even with that interlocking signal on the platform. |
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Posted by 67th Avenue on Wed Apr 15 12:12:37 2009, in response to Re: Short Trains?, posted by bigrene22 on Tue Apr 14 20:46:27 2009. There was a time the TA ran short trains during off peak hours for various reasons. Less riders, safety, etc. |
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Posted by 67th Avenue on Wed Apr 15 12:20:50 2009, in response to Re: Short Trains?, posted by Bzuck on Tue Apr 14 20:45:41 2009. When the (AA) ran four cars, two sets would be put together to make eight car (B) trains during rush hours. When did the weekend (GG) run three cars? Were they three R1-R9 or three R10 cars? |
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Posted by 67th Avenue on Wed Apr 15 12:24:12 2009, in response to Re: Short Trains?, posted by bigrene22 on Tue Apr 14 20:32:02 2009. I think the (E) has nearly always run with ten cars. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 15 12:25:17 2009, in response to Re: Short Trains?, posted by bigrene22 on Tue Apr 14 20:38:17 2009. No. J and M trains were cut during midday hours at varying times during the 90's. Since I worked in Metro Mall during that era, I encountered them every day. The last midday 4 car train I remember riding was in the spring of '97. M trains were routinely cut during the 93-94 time period. That seemed to stop when the M and N exchanged places on the 4th Ave express/local. I hated riding the cut J trains because they still stopped at the 8 car markers. Very annoying if the exit was at the OTHER end. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 15 12:28:53 2009, in response to Re: Short Trains?, posted by JBar387 on Wed Apr 15 01:37:37 2009. Strange, I recall that when using R32's, it was 6. In 1992 the G and R went to R46's exclusively, and that was also a 6 car train. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 15 12:31:50 2009, in response to Re: Short Trains?, posted by bigrene22 on Tue Apr 14 20:46:27 2009. Saves wear and tear on equipment not needed. The problem today is that the cost in labor needed to cut/reconnect trains offsets that. That's why NJT would use a 7-car train on the Montclair line but only have three open. |
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Posted by R143 on Wed Apr 15 12:32:51 2009, in response to Short Trains?, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Apr 13 14:56:23 2009. The M only runs short trains on weekends as far as I know and that is for the shuttle. |
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Posted by bzuck on Wed Apr 15 13:11:01 2009, in response to Re: Short Trains?, posted by 67th Avenue on Wed Apr 15 12:20:50 2009. R1/9And the AA I was refering to used R1/9 and became a BB not a B. |
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Posted by JBar387 on Wed Apr 15 13:19:18 2009, in response to Re: Short Trains?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 15 12:28:53 2009. They got shorter when they started going for GOH. The R-46 was running 6 cars on weekdays. But prior to the R-32 GOH and the terminal switch with the N and R it was 8 and 4 on weekends. |
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Posted by 67th Avenue on Wed Apr 15 13:25:19 2009, in response to Re: Short Trains?, posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Mon Apr 13 18:33:24 2009. IIRC, the (2) ran eight cars in the 1970's. |
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Posted by JBar387 on Wed Apr 15 13:55:47 2009, in response to Re: Short Trains?, posted by 67th Avenue on Wed Apr 15 12:24:12 2009. Only when it ran other R-type units. |
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Posted by JBar387 on Wed Apr 15 14:19:02 2009, in response to Re: Short Trains?, posted by JBar387 on Wed Apr 15 13:19:18 2009. Here are two examples: This is 8 cars (Weekday). Funny I find one of a GOH R-32.  This was a 4 car weekend train. That's when it was only the (G) on weekends and the (N) fell back at 57th Street.  Now I did ride a thunderbird on that line a few times. But by the Mid 80's It was all R-32's and R-46's. And maybe a couple of R-30s mixed in. But the R-30's Most of the times the (N) got. Sure makes me wish I took more photos back then. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 15 14:39:43 2009, in response to Re: Short Trains?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 15:14:43 2009. I remember when the M used short trains weekdays. It was in the mid 90's, and also in the mid 80's for a while. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Apr 15 16:08:04 2009, in response to Re: Short Trains?, posted by R42 4787 on Tue Apr 14 23:13:02 2009. Wrong. I used the Flushing Line in 1962 and 63 to go to Queens Cllege and it ran 9 cars. As more R-29s and 33s were delivered, some R17s were transferred to the Flushing Line, the consists were increased to 10 cars and in late 1963 with the arrival of the R-33 singles and R-36s the consiste were increased to 11 cars for the World's Fair and after the fair ended in 1965, 11 cars remained the norm peak and midday service with weekend service provided by 8 car trains and for a while, 4 car trains on the midnight. |
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Posted by JBar387 on Wed Apr 15 17:24:40 2009, in response to Re: Short Trains?, posted by randyo on Wed Apr 15 16:08:04 2009. That was with R-12,14 and 15's before the R-17's were put on the line? |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Apr 15 19:25:13 2009, in response to Re: Short Trains?, posted by JBar387 on Wed Apr 15 17:24:40 2009. Till the R-17 arrived on the line, 9 car consists were the norm. Part of that was also that while Lo-Vs were still on the Lex Exp, 10 car IRT trains were operated with 2 C/Rs. Once the Lex Av platforms were lengthened and the 2nd carmen were removed from mainline trains, Flushing trains were able to be extended to 10 and eventually 11 cars with only one C/R. |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Thu Apr 16 00:58:15 2009, in response to Re: Short Trains?, posted by randyo on Wed Apr 15 16:08:04 2009. The 7 still ran 6 car weekend trains as late as 1978. Check NYCSubway.org for the R33/36 WF photos. |
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