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Posted by Sand Box John on Sun May 11 10:41:03 2008 MARC Growth & Investment Plan (593 KB PDF file)This plan is quite ambitious. Add track on all three lines; Penn line (NEC); 4 tracks from Landover MD to beyond Newark DE (Cost of P&B tunnel replacement by Amtrak, rehab existing tunnel for use by MARC) Camden Line; 3 tracks Union Station to Camden Station Brunswick Line; 3 tracks Silver Spring to Point of Rock Lengthen 2nd track east of Point of Rock Shared project VRE; 2 new tracks across Potomac River 4 tracks Virginia Tower to beyond Alexandria. New stations and improvements on all three lines; Penn line (NEC); New Carrollton: New platform Seabrook: Parking Bowie Odenton: Parking BWI Halethorpe: Parking West Baltimore: Parking Upton: New station in existing P&B tunnel Baltimore Penn: Parking Madison Square: New Station Bayview: New station, Parking Martin State Airport: Parking Edgewood: Parking Aberdeen: Relocate station, Parking Perryville: Parking Elkton: New station Newark: New station Camden Line; Riverdale College Park Muirkirk: Parking Laruel Racetrack: Parking Savage: Parking Dorsey: Parking Camden: Lower level platform (Howard Street Tunnel) Mt. Royal: Reopen station Charles Village: New station Clifton Park: New station Bayview: New station Brunswick Line; Silver Spring Kensington: Parking Rockville: Parking Washington Grove Gaithersburg: Parking Metropolitan Grove: Parking Germantown: Parking Boyds: Parking Outer Montgomery: New Station Barnesville Dickerson Point of Rocks: New platform, Parking Brunswick: Parking Monocacy Frederick Other improvements; Penn line (NEC); Edgewood: New storage and maintenance facility Penn Station: New storage capacity New river crossings: Gunpower, Bush, Susquehanna Freight connection with CSX at Aberdeen Camden Line; Acquire River Side maintains facility from CSX Brunswick Line; Brunswick maintenance facility expansion All lines; Add cars to trains Increase peak service Increase off peak service Add night and weekend service Express and limited stop service Extend service on selected trains on all 3 line to Alexandria VA The Maryland Transit Administration has other long term plans involving station transfers at Madison Square and Martin State Airport with a northeast extension of the Baltimore Metro (848 KB PDF file) and at West Baltimore with the east west Red Line Corridor Study project John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by R33/R36 mainline on Sun May 11 10:48:00 2008, in response to MARC: Long range expansion plan (2010 - 2035), posted by Sand Box John on Sun May 11 10:41:03 2008. Yesssssssssssss!!! Extending the MARC to newark DE!!!! So now fially so you can go from new york city to washinton DC using only commuter rail!!!! |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun May 11 11:06:53 2008, in response to MARC: Long range expansion plan (2010 - 2035), posted by Sand Box John on Sun May 11 10:41:03 2008. Quite ambitious indeed....No plans for electrification, though; I'll have to read through the entire plans. |
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Re: MARC: Long range expansion plan (2010 - 2035) |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sun May 11 11:11:47 2008, in response to Re: MARC: Long range expansion plan (2010 - 2035), posted by R33/R36 mainline on Sun May 11 10:48:00 2008. Yesssssssssssss!!! Extending the MARC to newark DE!!!! So now fially so you can go from new york city to washinton DC using only commuter rail!!!!In my opinion the most important and most ambitious part of the plan is the expansion of the capacity through the P&B tunnel. The other part is making all of the NEC in Maryland 4 track. What is in this plan kind of dovetails with what was discussed in the High speed rail on the NEC-300 kmh service thread. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Re: MARC: Long range expansion plan (2010 - 2035) |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sun May 11 11:38:49 2008, in response to Re: MARC: Long range expansion plan (2010 - 2035), posted by trainsarefun on Sun May 11 11:06:53 2008. Quite ambitious indeed....No plans for electrification, though; I'll have to read through the entire plans. One can pretty much assume that all of the Penn Line (NEC) improvements will be electrified. (New P&B tunnel by Amtrak). Based of the cost figures in the documents ($2.963 billion NEC, $408 million Camden line and $533 million Brunswick Line) Maryland will be splitting the costs of the new tracks with CSX and Amtrak and costs of the new electrification with Amtrak. I would not assume that any wire will put up on the Camden or Brunswick Lines. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Re: MARC: Long range expansion plan (2010 - 2035) |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun May 11 11:50:24 2008, in response to Re: MARC: Long range expansion plan (2010 - 2035), posted by Sand Box John on Sun May 11 11:38:49 2008. I would not assume that any wire will put up on the Camden or Brunswick Lines.Yes - sorry for being unclear. The new NEC trackage will be electrified, as you say. But with the comment about electrification, I was wondering whether electrification would be extended at some point to the Brunswick or Camden Lines. Nonetheless, it's still a very ambitious plan. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun May 11 13:00:47 2008, in response to Re: MARC: Long range expansion plan (2010 - 2035), posted by Sand Box John on Sun May 11 11:11:47 2008. that and doubling the Long Bridge.next put the wires back on the Bridge and run them to Richmond. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun May 11 13:43:13 2008, in response to Re: MARC: Long range expansion plan (2010 - 2035), posted by Sand Box John on Sun May 11 11:38:49 2008. Of course, expect a 10 round fight from CSX for any improvements on the Camden and Brunswick lines, or Maryland to spend $$$$$ for their own tracks. |
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Re: MARC: Long range expansion plan (2010 - 2035) |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sun May 11 14:44:00 2008, in response to Re: MARC: Long range expansion plan (2010 - 2035), posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun May 11 13:43:13 2008. Of course, expect a 10 round fight from CSX for any improvements on the Camden and Brunswick lines, or Maryland to spend $$$$$ for their own tracks.My guess is CSX will come out the bigger winner with the added track capacity. You are aware that Maryland SHA with the cooperation CSX has grade separated the Alexandra subdivision at MD-450 Annapolis Road in Bladensburg. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun May 11 14:54:29 2008, in response to Re: MARC: Long range expansion plan (2010 - 2035), posted by Sand Box John on Sun May 11 14:44:00 2008. CSX still wants Maryland to pay for lowering the floor in the Howard Street tunnel so CSX can run double stacks, not a chance. That grade separation of the Alexandra subdivision at MD-450 Annapolis Road in Bladensburg was a highway project.A friend of mine worked on the last contact with CSX for the Camden and Brunswick line for MARC. He remarked he'd rather have a root canal with no anesthetic than do that again. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sun May 11 15:11:28 2008, in response to Re: MARC: Long range expansion plan (2010 - 2035), posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun May 11 13:00:47 2008. that and doubling the Long Bridge.next put the wires back on the Bridge and run them to Richmond. If wire is to hung to Richmond VA, then wire should be hung to Selkirk NY to allow the running of freight trains behind electric locomotives. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun May 11 15:14:30 2008, in response to Re: MARC: Long range expansion plan (2010 - 2035), posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun May 11 14:54:29 2008. As a tiny CSX stockholder, all I can say is the geniuses in Jacksonville need some 2x4 to the skull treatments. Maryland should demand that if the stae pays for a third main track, they OWN it meaning the state is entitled to 1/3 of all "slots" on the route. By me CSX should be threatened w/ EPD to get their attention. This is a RR which can't deliver to consignees in a reliable manner and has constant signal failures/freight trains BIE--subscibe to MARC and VRE updates to watch . |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun May 11 15:16:47 2008, in response to Re: MARC: Long range expansion plan (2010 - 2035), posted by Sand Box John on Sun May 11 15:11:28 2008. yes indeed. As any of us who remember PRR E44s know, electric is more efficient. Conrail junked freight motors because ATK charged them too much for the juice. |
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Posted by kp5308 on Sun May 11 16:17:32 2008, in response to Re: MARC: Long range expansion plan (2010 - 2035), posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun May 11 15:16:47 2008. Conrail junked freight motors because ATK charged them too much for the juice.Actually, it was a combination of outrageous trackage user fees,(as much as 2-1/2 times what the freight railroads charged each other) changing traffic patterns(downgrading, then eliminating Potomac Yard being the biggest example), & few electified routes outside Amtrak's milage that doomed 'em. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun May 11 16:24:15 2008, in response to Re: MARC: Long range expansion plan (2010 - 2035), posted by kp5308 on Sun May 11 16:17:32 2008. IIRC the electricity charges resulted in a very fast change to diesels on the electrified lines. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun May 11 16:28:51 2008, in response to MARC: Long range expansion plan (2010 - 2035), posted by Sand Box John on Sun May 11 10:41:03 2008. MARC to Newark is definitely a good idea. I just wish there was a way to use the CSX tracks for commuter rail to Newark rather than the NEC. It's so much closer to the town and to UD. I'm also glad to see them wanting to reopen Mt Royal. |
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Posted by kp5308 on Sun May 11 16:29:11 2008, in response to Re: MARC: Long range expansion plan (2010 - 2035), posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun May 11 16:24:15 2008. Agreed....but what I'm getting at is there was/is more to the story than the power charges. |
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Posted by WillD on Mon May 12 01:36:22 2008, in response to Re: MARC: Long range expansion plan (2010 - 2035), posted by kp5308 on Sun May 11 16:17:32 2008. Don't forget the crash in fuel prices in the 1980s, which killed a number of freight electrification proposals from the mid 1970s. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 12 02:12:26 2008, in response to Re: MARC: Long range expansion plan (2010 - 2035), posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun May 11 14:54:29 2008. Hmm. Last time these "MARC improvements" were mentioned, there was a plan to build CSX a bypass and have MARC take over the Howard Street Tunnel entirely. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon May 12 03:01:36 2008, in response to Re: MARC: Long range expansion plan (2010 - 2035), posted by R33/R36 mainline on Sun May 11 10:48:00 2008. Actually from New Haven, or Old Saybrook, CT to Virginia via. commuter rail. All is needed is a missing to Boston. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Mon May 12 06:57:30 2008, in response to Re: MARC: Long range expansion plan (2010 - 2035), posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 12 02:12:26 2008. Hmm. Last time these "MARC improvements" were mentioned, there was a plan to build CSX a bypass and have MARC take over the Howard Street Tunnel entirely.That bypass is a kin to the DC freight bypass. Both are pie in the sky. By the way, the PDF file was created 11-25-2007. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 12 16:25:04 2008, in response to Re: MARC: Long range expansion plan (2010 - 2035), posted by Sand Box John on Mon May 12 06:57:30 2008. That bypass is a kin to the DC freight bypass. Both are pie in the skyEven all the way out to 2035? |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon May 12 17:53:08 2008, in response to Re: MARC: Long range expansion plan (2010 - 2035), posted by Sand Box John on Sun May 11 11:11:47 2008. Making the NEC 4-track throughout Maryland would be wonderful indeed.What kind of progress are we likely to see short-term? |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Mon May 12 22:43:30 2008, in response to Re: MARC: Long range expansion plan (2010 - 2035), posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 12 16:25:04 2008. Even all the way out to 2035?The DC freight bypass has gone nowhere beyond your basic conceptual proposal, that can’t even be said of the Baltimore freight bypass. The following is in the "MARC Growth & Investment Plan" (593 KB PDF file); "Extension of service through Baltimore City to Bayview (requires prior relocation of CSX freight traffic to new tunnel)" Beyond that line of text there is no mention of how much it would cost, who would pay for it, where the alignment be and when would it be built. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Mon May 12 22:50:54 2008, in response to Re: MARC: Long range expansion plan (2010 - 2035), posted by RonInBayside on Mon May 12 17:53:08 2008. Making the NEC 4-track throughout Maryland would be wonderful indeed.What kind of progress are we likely to see short-term? Download and read the MARC Growth & Investment Plan, the PDF file is only 593 KB. See pages 12 and 32. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue May 13 01:56:29 2008, in response to Re: MARC: Long range expansion plan (2010 - 2035), posted by Sand Box John on Mon May 12 22:50:54 2008. Thank you. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 13 02:39:29 2008, in response to Re: MARC: Long range expansion plan (2010 - 2035), posted by R33/R36 mainline on Sun May 11 10:48:00 2008. I think you're doing this. |
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