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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 16 00:07:45 2008, in response to Re: G Train Hearing at City Hall, posted by Edwards! on Tue Apr 15 23:59:40 2008. Also, I'm not suggesting reducing current service in Brooklyn, only more in Queens, where it's needed. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Wed Apr 16 00:16:31 2008, in response to Re: G Train Hearing at City Hall, posted by Edwards! on Tue Apr 15 23:59:40 2008. No one is saying cut R service to Brooklyn, if anything the extra R trains are basically extra trains to fill in for the gaps left by the G when it doesn't run on Queens Blvd on weekends. So you can think of these R trains as seperate from the regular R trains that runs from Queens to Brooklyn. That is it. Brooklyn could use an extra set or so, but Queens needs the additional service to fill in for the loss of the G that is why there's a need for special short turn R trains. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Apr 16 10:38:15 2008, in response to Re: G Train Hearing at City Hall, posted by Michael549 on Tue Apr 15 23:16:38 2008. There are two trains serving local stops on Queens Boulevard at normal times. There is one train serving local stops on Fourth Avenue at normal times. Ergo: Queens needs more service than Brooklyn on those particular tracks.*IF* the (V) or some other service is not running in Queens the suggestion was to add more (R) trains, and maybe turn them at Whitehall, since the do not appear to be needed in Brooklyn. Of course, simply running the (V) 16/7 also fills this need and offers more flexibility. ROAR |
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Posted by error46146 on Wed Apr 16 15:36:37 2008, in response to Re: G Train Hearing at City Hall, posted by Michael549 on Tue Apr 15 23:16:38 2008. it can have a benefit to brooklyn riders as well.i say we do this: On the queens side: Train #1 from continental would go the entire way Train #2 from continental would end at City hall Train #3 from continental would go the entire way on the Brooklyn side: Train #1 from brooklyn go the entire way Train #2 from brooklyn end at Whitehall Train #3 from brooklyn go the entire way etc etc etc |
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Posted by error46146 on Wed Apr 16 15:38:58 2008, in response to Re: G Train Hearing at City Hall, posted by Grand concourse on Tue Apr 15 20:37:04 2008. but the R is local as wellso basically what your doing is depriving those who want the 6 line (which is like 85% of the people that ride the E on weekends) a nice express service |
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Posted by error46146 on Wed Apr 16 15:41:14 2008, in response to Re: G Train Hearing at City Hall, posted by Grand concourse on Tue Apr 15 19:12:39 2008. city hall is a better terminal for 2 reasons:1) whitehall is farther away from 71st then city hall 2) after city hall are those slow horrible curves that can easily add 5 minutes to your trip |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Apr 16 15:49:35 2008, in response to Re: G Train Hearing at City Hall, posted by error46146 on Wed Apr 16 15:36:37 2008. That makes no sense at all. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 16 16:45:47 2008, in response to Re: G Train Hearing at City Hall, posted by error46146 on Wed Apr 16 15:41:14 2008. Yeah, but Whitehall is actually as fast. At City Hall, you have to clean out the train, and crawl slowly into a relay track.By cleaning out the train at Canal to go into City Hall, you lose time making sure passengers are off, AND plug the road behind you. At Whitehall, you don't have to worry about passengers on the train, or a train waiting behind you. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Apr 16 16:47:21 2008, in response to Re: G Train Hearing at City Hall, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 16 16:45:47 2008. No. We were all thinking of setting up City Hall Lower Level as a new terminal. Put it back in service.ROAR |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 16 16:51:17 2008, in response to Re: G Train Hearing at City Hall, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Apr 16 16:47:21 2008. Sorry. I didn't see that. And City Hall in service would not make sense. Too costly to maintain, while losing valuable layup space, while Whitehall is a great place to turn trains. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Apr 16 16:57:03 2008, in response to Re: G Train Hearing at City Hall, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 16 16:51:17 2008. I agree White Hall is the Best Option you have Put-ins out of City Hall Lower that have to go to the road..As well as Lay-up Space... Need to put those trains somewhere.. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 16 17:02:38 2008, in response to Re: G Train Hearing at City Hall, posted by Railman718 on Wed Apr 16 16:57:03 2008. Off tipic: I also think the J would be better off going to Broad on weekends. But not into the relay at Broad. Trains should just switch ends on the s/b track and leave the station like that. But budget concerns won't let that happen. But it would not take longer than cleaning out at Chambers, and going into the relay, switching ends, and coming back out again. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Apr 16 17:07:30 2008, in response to Re: G Train Hearing at City Hall, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 16 16:51:17 2008. Nah... I rode on a (W) train and on an (R) train last year. There were delays getting into the pocket, and that delayed the (R)s.During the time that (W) trains would need to use City Hall LL you really would not be laying up trains anyway. The point is *if* only (W) trains served Astoria, then you would need many more of them, more than could possibly be turned at Whitehall. Thus some are turned at City Hall and others at 9th Avenue. Why would we take the (N) train out of Astoria? Well to send it (and the (Q)) up to 125th Street, of course. LION seems to think that the line should have more service than said (Q) could provide. Also Broadway Express trains should run to Second Avenue while Broadway Local trains should run via the 60th Street Tunnel. ROARING |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 16 17:14:35 2008, in response to Re: G Train Hearing at City Hall, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Apr 16 17:07:30 2008. Yeah. Whitehall can also get congested. But it's still not as bad as cleaing out your train on the mainline. I don't remember too many times working the R and losing time because of Whitehall. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Apr 16 17:15:14 2008, in response to Re: G Train Hearing at City Hall, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 16 17:02:38 2008. Why is it that they go to Chambers Street over the Weekend and not Broad Street?Maybe its money.... Probally Money... Most definately Money... Why did i ask??? |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Apr 16 17:16:47 2008, in response to Re: G Train Hearing at City Hall, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Apr 16 17:07:30 2008. During the time that (W) trains would need to use City Hall LL you really would not be laying up trains anyway.Um you got PM Put-Ins on the Romeo and Quincy that are down there... |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 16 17:19:05 2008, in response to Re: G Train Hearing at City Hall, posted by Railman718 on Wed Apr 16 17:15:14 2008. Money I guess. They probably save money on a token booth clerk and ATD at Broad on weekends. And this creates the illusion that the J is "shorter" on weekends, allowing four trippers. |
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Posted by R33/R36 mainline on Wed Apr 16 17:19:36 2008, in response to Re: G Train Hearing at City Hall, posted by Railman718 on Wed Apr 16 17:16:47 2008. Wait midday Quincys lay up at city hall LL? Wow i never knew that ive always thought only R N and W trains lay up down there.... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Apr 16 17:26:42 2008, in response to Re: G Train Hearing at City Hall, posted by R33/R36 mainline on Wed Apr 16 17:19:36 2008. No Wisky Trains are Layed up at City Hall during the Day...No Novembers either... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Apr 16 17:27:14 2008, in response to Re: G Train Hearing at City Hall, posted by Railman718 on Wed Apr 16 17:26:42 2008. No Wiskey Trains are Layed up at City Hall during the Day...No Novembers either... |
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Posted by error46146 on Wed Apr 16 17:46:57 2008, in response to Re: G Train Hearing at City Hall, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 16 16:51:17 2008. If the Queens side trains turn at Whitehall then where would the Brooklyn side trains turn ? |
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Posted by error46146 on Wed Apr 16 17:47:15 2008, in response to Re: G Train Hearing at City Hall, posted by R30A on Wed Apr 16 15:49:35 2008. why not ? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 16 17:57:43 2008, in response to Re: G Train Hearing at City Hall, posted by error46146 on Wed Apr 16 15:36:37 2008. Brooklyn does not need the service Queens and Manhattan do. The turnstile counts are what you go by. Brooklyn does not justify as much service. |
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Posted by error46146 on Wed Apr 16 17:58:44 2008, in response to Re: G Train Hearing at City Hall, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 16 17:57:43 2008. well i don't want the brooklyn people to get upsetim trying to make a solution that makes everyone happy |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 16 18:05:34 2008, in response to Re: G Train Hearing at City Hall, posted by error46146 on Wed Apr 16 17:58:44 2008. Service levels should be based on ridership levels. |
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Posted by error46146 on Wed Apr 16 18:07:16 2008, in response to Re: G Train Hearing at City Hall, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 16 18:05:34 2008. yes that is true, but that doesn't mean we leave other people out in the darkwe can put the high ridership concerns on top priority, and once those are done we will focus on the low ones |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 16 18:12:08 2008, in response to Re: G Train Hearing at City Hall, posted by error46146 on Wed Apr 16 18:07:16 2008. so all subway lines should run the same service levels? |
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Posted by error46146 on Wed Apr 16 18:13:59 2008, in response to Re: G Train Hearing at City Hall, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 16 18:12:08 2008. well it depends on how much people use itif alot of people use it like the E, R etc then it should have good service if its a shuttle that's always empty then it won't need such good service |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 16 20:27:14 2008, in response to Re: G Train Hearing at City Hall, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 16 17:57:43 2008. So you're saying that the (F) and (R) should also be reduced just because they go to Brooklyn? |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Wed Apr 16 20:28:31 2008, in response to Re: G Train Hearing at City Hall, posted by error46146 on Wed Apr 16 15:38:58 2008. Express is just a luxury. You should be happy you have 2 express trains running due to QB being a heavily used line. But weekends there's a need for more than just R only service. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Wed Apr 16 20:29:14 2008, in response to Re: G Train Hearing at City Hall, posted by R30A on Wed Apr 16 15:49:35 2008. agreed. |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Apr 16 20:33:03 2008, in response to Re: G Train Hearing at City Hall, posted by error46146 on Wed Apr 16 17:47:15 2008. Because it has no cost savings over just running R service normally, yet causes inconveniences to the riders.There is absolutely no reason such an idea. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Wed Apr 16 20:35:03 2008, in response to Re: G Train Hearing at City Hall, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 16 20:27:14 2008. Who said anything about reducing F and R in Brooklyn? He's talking about having additional trains for 'dedicated' service. [Like how the D has extra trains running for the Yankees special] only Queens would get additional service where the extras could terminate at 2nd Av and Whitehall respectively. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Wed Apr 16 20:35:41 2008, in response to Re: G Train Hearing at City Hall, posted by Grand concourse on Wed Apr 16 20:35:03 2008. Well that's what I hope he meant. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 16 20:55:37 2008, in response to Re: G Train Hearing at City Hall, posted by Grand concourse on Wed Apr 16 20:35:03 2008. That would just confuse and anger (F) riders into Brooklyn, at least run the "specials" to Church. The (R) train idea however is fine. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 16 20:56:06 2008, in response to Re: G Train Hearing at City Hall, posted by Grand concourse on Wed Apr 16 20:28:31 2008. Yup, that's why the (G) goes there. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 16 21:00:21 2008, in response to Re: G Train Hearing at City Hall, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 16 20:56:06 2008. Eh, never mind, I see your point... |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Apr 17 00:33:20 2008, in response to Re: G Train Hearing at City Hall, posted by Grand concourse on Wed Apr 16 00:16:31 2008. So if thats the case..why get rid of the G at all...thats like robbing Peter to pay Paul... |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Thu Apr 17 01:33:32 2008, in response to Re: G Train Hearing at City Hall, posted by Edwards! on Thu Apr 17 00:33:20 2008. Well MTA seems to think the G doesn't belong on Queens Blvd anymore, who knows what they are thinking..Btw did you read up on the stuff I mentioned under your post about shifting the E/R/W trains over eastward? |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Thu Apr 17 01:38:42 2008, in response to Re: G Train Hearing at City Hall, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 16 17:19:05 2008. Yeah and I guess the MTA feels the J makes the same stops the 4 does just a block away. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Thu Apr 17 01:41:23 2008, in response to Re: G Train Hearing at City Hall, posted by error46146 on Wed Apr 16 17:46:57 2008. There is no need for the additional Brooklyn bound trains [so long as the current R headways remains the same]. Otherwise there won't be a need to split the R in the first place.The whole point was to have additional R service to cover for the G's which won't be running on QB anymore. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Thu Apr 17 01:43:01 2008, in response to Re: G Train Hearing at City Hall, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 16 20:55:37 2008. Well perhaps. I say 2nd Av since it would allow Queens bound trains to return back north sooner. But if there's demand for Brooklyn service then yeah Church Av would be where they would turn back on the F. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Apr 17 05:59:23 2008, in response to Re: G Train Hearing at City Hall (Make the statistics clearer to view), posted by SMAZ on Sun Apr 13 04:38:54 2008. And it's not a foamy dream to merge the M and V lines:This is one merge that makes sense, as the combined line makes both as a whole much better, and takes pressure off the L train (which has been well discussed in the past). |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Apr 17 06:10:46 2008, in response to Re: G Train Hearing at City Hall, posted by error46146 on Tue Apr 15 20:20:18 2008. But they can do an OOS transfer from the F to the 4/5/6 by getting off at 63rd/Lex and walking three blocks to 60th street on Lex (or with an unlimited pass and taking the 6 uptown also do it by walking five blocks to 68th street). |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Apr 17 06:58:38 2008, in response to Re: G Train Hearing at City Hall, posted by Grand concourse on Wed Apr 16 00:16:31 2008. You know that the (R) train is the king of bunching though, and once two Whitehall runs bunch together, it all goes downhill for the 4th Avenue local riders. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Apr 17 07:01:25 2008, in response to Re: G Train Hearing at City Hall, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 16 16:51:17 2008. I have a feeling that the stupid (R) short turns and the (W) is too much for Whitehall. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Apr 17 07:09:52 2008, in response to Re: G Train Hearing at City Hall, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Apr 17 07:01:25 2008. We're talking weekends. No W's on weekends. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Apr 17 07:19:56 2008, in response to Re: G Train Hearing at City Hall, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Apr 17 07:09:52 2008. I see, never mind then. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Apr 17 07:21:31 2008, in response to Re: G Train Hearing at City Hall, posted by Grand concourse on Thu Apr 17 01:43:01 2008. Plus, I think that a lot of influential Park Slope and Carroll Gardens riders would get angry when they find their (F) train arriving on the Queens-bound "Express" track at 2nd Avenue. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Apr 17 07:30:07 2008, in response to Re: G Train Hearing at City Hall, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 16 20:27:14 2008. I'm not saying anything about reducing service. |
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