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Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 6 18:07:04 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by SMAZ on Sun Jan 6 17:42:23 2008. I also was a child in the 70's, and I can vouch that he is 100% correct. I still remember the absolute SHOCK when I first saw a graffiti free train pull into my station one morning in the mid 80's. People stood with their mouth's open for something that is total normalacy today. All I remember was "It'll never last".....Thankfully, it was proven wrong. It's hard to explain the experience to people that grew up with clean trains. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jan 6 18:10:56 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to destroy the graffiti ''artists'', posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 6 11:37:21 2008. I think that Christopher is a well intentioned dude who thinks that things were cooler when they were worse when that it obviously not the case and wants to address a non-existing problem that is already being taken care of very well. The beauty of this and other transit sites is that one can look back at that era thru photos and see how it was with a mix of nostalgia, amazement and horror. Those who didn't live it may just be amazed and think it was cool. For the rest of us it's mostly horror. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 6 18:12:46 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to destroy the graffiti ''artists'', posted by SMAZ on Sun Jan 6 17:54:15 2008. The problem is, people read a book like "Subway Art", and think that's what the graffiti in the subway looked like, when in fact, lestt than 1% of the subway looked like the images in 'Subway Art" and books like that. And even those images in books like that after about a few weeks, were covered on top of the murals in their entirety with the garbage graffiti that filled 99% of the system.There was no "Subway Art", only vandalism. Unfotunately books like that (written when graffiti was still around by the way) glorify the graffiti that constituted less than 1% of the graffiti and vandalism that was out there. That's the thing that people that only "read" about it or look at photos can't understand unless they lived it. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 6 18:15:14 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by Christopher Rivera on Sat Jan 5 17:47:22 2008. This is completely FALSE. GraffitiAnd as for subway cars, the zero tolerance policy is helped by the fact that subway cars now get rarely graffitoed. If the rate increased, it would be difficult to maintain adequate train schedules if trains had to be laid up waiting to be washed. And the best way for these artists (for those who actually are artists) to use their talents for economic betterment is for them to find a legitimate outlet for them where they can get paid instead of illegally painting in subway tunnels and have the MTA profit from their work. That is of course if the MTA will find enough "work" in the tunnels to profit from, as nearly all of it is absolute garbage that people would pay money to AVOID seeing. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 6 18:17:40 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by R Pansepcc on Sat Jan 5 18:15:03 2008. It's simple capitalism: If these works of graffiti had any economic value, the "artists" responsible for them would already be painting in a legitimate setting and already making money from them. There is no money for the MTA to make here.And in the unlikely event the MTA did make money, they would be better off reinvesting it in the system and not giving one penny to art programs. The MTA is not a charity or social program. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 6 18:19:54 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to destroy the graffiti ''artists'', posted by SMAZ on Sun Jan 6 18:10:56 2008. Chris is quite intelligent, and I think he got the reaction he probably expected. Any time this topic comes up, it is sure to be a strong outcry against anything that evenn remotely glorifies that era...an era that certainly doesn't deserve to be glorified in the least.Some years back, I nearly got my head bitten off here (lol) when I suggested that they should probably add at least ONE train of a graffitized 1970's like train to the Transit Museum. Personally, I still to this day believe that should be the case. It was WHAT the subway looked like for two decades, and can't just be swept under the rug. However, of course that would be done in an educational way, certainly not glorifying it by making "T-Shirts" out of the image. But again, in that case, it was almost as if I was soon to get death threats, hahaha by even tainting the TM with an exhibit like that. But I feel that is a completely different circumstance, as in that case, it's hard to sweep under the rug the fact that the subway did look like that for about 1/5 of it's existence. Either way though, the point is, any mention of that horrible era, which was absolute hell in no uncertain terms, and no book can capture that feeling, is sure to have a strong backlash. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 6 18:23:04 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by Christopher Rivera on Sat Jan 5 18:23:18 2008. The MTA is not a social service agency, it has no reason to go in on such a program. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jan 6 18:28:12 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 6 18:15:14 2008. Agreed. Legalizing it would bring forth every reject in the city. Probably less then 2% of the 70s/80s graffitti had any "artistic" value and as you said we paid to have it removed so that we don't have it see it. If it was any good we would have kept it and made it a tourist attraction. Instead it was driving them away by giving the impression of a city out of control. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 6 18:28:15 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 6 18:15:14 2008. i agree |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Jan 6 18:31:37 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to destroy the graffiti ''artists'', posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 6 18:19:54 2008. Howbout they paint a car white and give us the RustoleumŽ ??? Ouch, put down that crowbar!your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jan 6 18:35:11 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jan 6 11:37:48 2008. Indeed. As a teenager I thought of myself as pretty fearless and railfanned where others wouldn't dare but I never came up with the balls to railfan the (LL) line. Word of mouth was that it was way too dangerous. I don't know if that reputation was exaggerated but it deterred me enough to not do it. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 6 18:40:28 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to destroy the graffiti ''artists'', posted by Fred G on Sun Jan 6 18:31:37 2008. hahaha, yeah, basically, my idea of adding a train like that to the museum was flawed for a few reasons. First off, it was only about 10 years at the time that the subway was rid of the graffiti (way too soon, even now that we are going on 15 years, still too short of time). Next, people visiting the museum would get the idea that they can "add" to the exhibit. And anyone that has ever been to a place where scribblings are allowed (take the old King Kong ride at Universal Studios for example) all it does is an invitation to add more scrawlings. And that is not a message that should be sent. It's NEVER okay to vandalize. I am afraid any logical exhibit on graffiti in the Transit museum should not, and can not go further than perhaps a few photos documenting that horror. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 6 18:44:15 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by SMAZ on Sun Jan 6 18:35:11 2008. Hey, I lived along the L line! Not the "east end", but along it just the same! It was not bad west of Myrtle, or even west of BJ. I would assume those rumors came from the area around Sutter, Livonia, etc.But point taken, railfanning in the 1980's was not a safe thing. People today, now that the subway is safer than it's been since the 50's take it for granted. The subway WAS NOT a safe place. And while you were vulnerable most in the not so great areas, you could have problems anywhere back then, even in good neighborhoods. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Sun Jan 6 18:44:52 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to destroy the graffiti ''artists'', posted by Christopher Rivera on Sat Jan 5 21:06:54 2008. There is no problem. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 6 18:48:08 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to destroy the graffiti ''artists'', posted by The Port of Authority on Sun Jan 6 18:44:52 2008. But as for scratchiti and the like... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 6 18:51:34 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to destroy the graffiti ''artists'', posted by Christopher Rivera on Sat Jan 5 21:06:54 2008. Well how do you suggest we destroy the graffiti artists from what I've been seeing they're doing a great job of winning...The war on graffiti was won already in the 1990's. Wht you are claiming is a "war" is a minor pocket of resistance after the entire For every ONE graffiti vandal out there today, there were about 1000 more in the 1970s and 80's. There's a problem where's your solution? There is no "problem". The "Problem" you call a problem is still the zero tolerance. And for the fewe things that get through, that is less than a small percentage of what was once out there, probably less than 1%. Unfortunately your "solution" is a "solution to a problem" that was already handled decades ago. It's a solution in search of a problem. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 6 18:52:55 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to destroy the graffiti ''artists'', posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 6 18:51:34 2008. I agree. There is no real graffiti problem today. There are however scratchiti and acid etching problems today. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 6 18:55:37 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to destroy the graffiti ''artists'', posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 6 18:48:08 2008. The scratchiti is being worked on. That is another problem. the new trains have the film on the windows, and the trains they are keeping will probably soon be dealt with. I see no reason to spend valuable money on the windows of the trains that will shortly be scrapped. As the new trains arrive, the trains they are keeping are dealt with, and the older trains being scrapped (gasp), I am sure we will be seeing less and less of it in the coming years. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 6 18:56:42 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to destroy the graffiti ''artists'', posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 6 18:52:55 2008. Yes, and that's another issue (as mentioned in the other post). |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Jan 6 18:56:54 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 6 18:44:15 2008. I had always heard that the worst areas, speaking roughly and via rumor, were - using present routes - west of, and around, where the 3 and L routes (appear to) intersect and the Rockaways Line. And the other end of the 3 route in Lenox.I can't vouch for any of these 'trouble spots' since I've never been there, either during the peak era of subway crime or more recently. As for other places I've not mentioned but have heard about over the years, I found the bark loud and the bite or even bite marks pretty absent. If I had to say what the crime threat on the subways is nowadays, most prominently, I'd say that it's a juvenile that basically asks for a beatdown. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 6 19:02:57 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by Christopher Rivera on Sat Jan 5 21:03:13 2008. Bad parenting is still around. So are poor people and malaise. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 6 19:06:58 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to destroy the graffiti ''artists'', posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 6 18:55:37 2008. the railfan windows should be replaced and covered with the protective film for the duration of the cars' lives. that way we can get the pics before they are scrapped. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 6 19:15:43 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by Russ on Sun Jan 6 10:16:14 2008. That has nothing to do with economic growth. It has a lot more to do with the whole city living through 9-11 together than anything else.There are other more likely reasons: In 1977, the city remembered the peacefulness of the 1965 blackout and didn't expect the looting, in 2003, with the lessons of 1977 learned, the police were properly deployed where needed to discourage blackout-related crime. Still more likely is that in 1977 petty crime was more tolerated and one was more likely to get away with it than in 2003. The blackout was simply an explosion of that kind of crime that became more serious. Luckily the city got serious about stopping minor crime in the 1990s. You bring up a good point with the link about the broken windows theory. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jan 6 19:42:46 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to destroy the graffiti ''artists'', posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 6 18:19:54 2008. Your idea is not a bad one as long as they put put a real car with the true trash graffitti that polluted the cars complete with broken lights, destroyed seats and windows. They would stop thinking that it was ever cool. It would be educational in an urban ruin kind of way. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 6 19:46:05 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by Christopher Rivera on Sun Jan 6 11:44:00 2008. While NYC may be having an economy time of its life the rest of the country is struggling, thats [sic] why I do not like overall economic data it always obscures the bigger picture but once again thats [sic] another discussion entirely.No, it doesn't. The overall economic data IS the bigger picture. I just believe entirely that in the 70s that the city struggled, so much that the city needed a bailout event hough [sic] the #s show from what russ says a positive increase. You're still confused. The city's finances may have been struggling, but that doesn't necessarily mean that its economy was struggling. You don't seem to understand the difference. common sense dictates that a positive growth wouldn't result in economic hardship, let alone financial bailouts. What economic hardship? Financial bailouts have nothing to do with economic hardship. Quagmire. GIGGITY! |
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Posted by vfrt on Sun Jan 6 19:53:35 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 6 17:24:31 2008. Living the low life, but still at taxpayer expense. |
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Posted by shiznit1987 on Sun Jan 6 19:55:14 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to destroy the graffiti ''artists'', posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 6 13:14:07 2008. Not to mention glass doors would scream either scrachitti or breakage. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Sun Jan 6 20:03:06 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to destroy the graffiti ''artists'', posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 6 18:48:08 2008. That's easy to fix, just replace the windows when needed and apply the protective film.Scratchiti is slowly declining, from what I've noticed. There are significantly more subway cars with scratch-free windows today than there were, say, 10 years ago. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 6 20:51:01 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by SMAZ on Sun Jan 6 17:36:46 2008. Don't forget rent stabilization! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jan 6 21:21:33 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by SMAZ on Sun Jan 6 17:36:46 2008. The seeds for a comeback were actually set by the late 70sWhat seeds? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 6 22:34:40 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to destroy the graffiti ''artists'', posted by SMAZ on Sun Jan 6 19:42:46 2008. If only they had saved one of the R16's! They were perhaps the epidomie of the whole thing. |
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Posted by metropod on Sun Jan 6 22:45:43 2008, in response to Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by Christopher Rivera on Sat Jan 5 14:27:48 2008. Do I sound psycho?Yes you do. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Jan 7 00:46:38 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jan 6 21:21:33 2008. Fiscal responsibility and public-private partnerships addressing urban and housing decay and green-space. Environmental cleanup. Less tense race relations. Mayor Koch vowing to make crime fighting a top priority. These are just a few. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Jan 7 01:12:19 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to destroy the graffiti ''artists'', posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 6 22:34:40 2008. Indeed. I hated those because I had to get up on my toes to look out of the small round RFW. And I would really get pissed when it was sprayed, often on both the outside and inside of the RFW. If memory serves me well, they didn't even have A/C. It's incredible to think how good we all have it today. |
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Posted by El-Train on Mon Jan 7 01:21:27 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to destroy the graffiti ''artists'', posted by Fred G on Sun Jan 6 14:03:57 2008. Hmm, '60's childhoods much? :)Hey, at least it was before the late '60's crackdown on violent cartoons by Action for Children's Television, which caused the 'toons of the '70's to be so neutured, like "Battle of the Planets". |
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Posted by El-Train on Mon Jan 7 01:23:17 2008, in response to Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by Christopher Rivera on Sat Jan 5 14:27:48 2008. When did graffiti first become prevalant and noticeable in the system? On nycsubway.org's photos, I see the stations and trainsets are still relatively clean by the late '60's. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Jan 7 01:26:46 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by trainsarefun on Sun Jan 6 18:56:54 2008. can't vouch for any of these 'trouble spots' since I've never been there, either during the peak era of subway crime or more recently. As for other places I've not mentioned but have heard about over the years, I found the bark loud and the bite or even bite marks pretty absentYeah. I wouldn't even tell my friends where I would go railfan until after the fact knowing that they would have otherwise try to talk me out of it. They still think that the Patron Saint of Railfans must have been protecting me since nothing bad ever happened. They couldn't even see the point of why I did it. I did it primarily on routes with els. It really wasn't about the trains but more about seeing other parts the city. Only recently did I find out that my brother (he's 10 years older then me) would regularly go to ENY in the 70s to see his then girlfriend. She must have been really hot since he was dealing with the added danger of doing the interracial thing which was still very taboo back then. I guess that like Chris said, the (LL) wasn't much more dangerous then the other lines. |
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Posted by 5119 on Mon Jan 7 01:33:26 2008, in response to Re: Earliest instance of graffiti in the system, posted by El-Train on Mon Jan 7 01:23:17 2008. Spring of 1972 is when I first noticed it, when the street gangs re-emerged in New York. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 7 04:57:09 2008, in response to Re: Earliest instance of graffiti in the system, posted by El-Train on Mon Jan 7 01:23:17 2008. It didn't really happen en mass until the mid 70's. Perhaps even late 70's. By 1976 or 1977 it was becoming noticable, but had slowly been starting before that. By 1978 or 1979 it became epedemic, and was so right to about 1984. They began the fight around 1985 or so. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 7 04:57:11 2008, in response to Re: Earliest instance of graffiti in the system, posted by El-Train on Mon Jan 7 01:23:17 2008. It didn't really happen en mass until the mid 70's. Perhaps even late 70's. By 1976 or 1977 it was becoming noticable, but had slowly been starting before that. By 1978 or 1979 it became epedemic, and was so right to about 1984. They began the fight around 1985 or so. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 7 05:07:59 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to destroy the graffiti ''artists'', posted by SMAZ on Mon Jan 7 01:12:19 2008. No, most of the trains had no A/C back then. I think the Slants and the R42's had it from the beginning, but they rarely worked, and they were strewn with graffiti just like everything else. The R32's and R38's were retrofitted with AC after Goh. All the other 60 foot cars, and the IRT didn't have AC. And most of the classes that had them, didn't workk well. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jan 7 05:34:15 2008, in response to Re: Earliest instance of graffiti in the system, posted by El-Train on Mon Jan 7 01:23:17 2008. Does anyone remember that movie featuing "KING 65" who vandalized the M train?65 means he was born in 1965, and that movie can out like 25 years ago, so the vandal was just a teen. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Jan 7 07:07:15 2008, in response to Re: Earliest instance of graffiti in the system, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jan 7 05:34:15 2008. Yeah, teenage is about right for the vandals. It wasn't a buncha 30 somethings tagging the trains and stations.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 7 09:57:19 2008, in response to Re: Earliest instance of graffiti in the system, posted by Fred G on Mon Jan 7 07:07:15 2008. And if it was, that would have been pretty sad. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 7 10:13:08 2008, in response to Re: Earliest instance of graffiti in the system, posted by El-Train on Mon Jan 7 01:23:17 2008. 1973 is often given as the year grafitti began becoming prevalant. However, "grafitti" has been a problem since 10/27/04. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Jan 7 10:13:43 2008, in response to Re: Earliest instance of graffiti in the system, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 7 09:57:19 2008.  your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 7 10:14:52 2008, in response to Re: Earliest instance of graffiti in the system, posted by Fred G on Mon Jan 7 10:13:43 2008. Hahaha, LOSER. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Jan 7 10:28:33 2008, in response to Re: Earliest instance of graffiti in the system, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 7 10:14:52 2008. hehe, or the vernacular "LOOSER" lol. BTW, sorry about the "shit from shinola" comment yesterday. I should have taken a coupla breaths before posting.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 7 10:42:24 2008, in response to Re: Earliest instance of graffiti in the system, posted by Fred G on Mon Jan 7 10:28:33 2008. It's OK, it takes a lot more than that from you to rile me up. Now, if it was UWS Greg ... |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon Jan 7 11:32:21 2008, in response to Re: Earliest instance of graffiti in the system, posted by El-Train on Mon Jan 7 01:23:17 2008. 
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