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Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system... |
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Posted by Christopher Rivera on Sat Jan 5 14:27:48 2008 Do I sound psycho? Well think again, there's potential of the MTA making money from the graffiti thats rampant in the system. Graffiti artists can't copyright or claim ownership over the graffiti in the system sine it was done via trespassing / illegally. So the MTA can claim the graffiti art as its own, and essentially use the designs of the graffiti to develop a clothing line, books etc that use graffiti already in existence, so all the MTA has to do is find a company to work with to produce it like Ecko or Rockawear etc, especially clothing companies that appeal to the urban youth. They can produce books, or find the graffiti artists and have companies pay for graffiti style advertising. I believe there's a cash cow with the graffiti in existence its just how the MTA can utilize it properly. Or the MTA can pay out areas for graffiti that wont be disturbed in manhattan for art programs the people will have to pay for the space. The potential is out there, and besides what can the artists do to fight against the MTA since they have no legal avenue to chart. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sat Jan 5 14:49:58 2008, in response to Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by Christopher Rivera on Sat Jan 5 14:27:48 2008. If you think the MTA should encourage this and help bring about a return to the 1970s then by all means :-( |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 5 14:51:02 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by BMTLines on Sat Jan 5 14:49:58 2008. It's teh steeldust talking! :) |
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Posted by Christopher Rivera on Sat Jan 5 14:54:46 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by BMTLines on Sat Jan 5 14:49:58 2008. Encourage... HA! No, since graffiti will always be a problem with the MTA I'm saying it's time to make a profit out of it by controlling it, and it will actually reduce the problem by making it less of a dark art. The MTA is now putting light on to the subject and making a profit off of it in the process. It's all how you harness it, cause whether we want to admit or not some graffiti is amazing, some isn't but all of it can be used for profit since those artists that did those lay no claim to the works, since it now belongs to the MTA they can do what they wish. Besides the MTA could develop with the NYC School system art programs that take the graffiti artists off the streets (subways in this case) and get them into art programs throughout the nation. Why fight the problem when you can harness and control it? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jan 5 15:19:38 2008, in response to Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by Christopher Rivera on Sat Jan 5 14:27:48 2008. What makes you think artists who already break the law will follow this one? |
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Posted by Dan on Sat Jan 5 15:25:41 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by Christopher Rivera on Sat Jan 5 14:54:46 2008. You're not psycho. Graffiti is a sign of the transit systems out-of-control bad years of the 1970s and early 1980s. Vandalism is not art. The subway system of the 70s was not a pretty sight.The NYC of the 70s was not a pretty sight either. It's absurd that we now have people with "1970s Graffiti Nostalgia". What was attrctive about a city covered in spray paint? (I can sort of understand "1970s Disco Nostalgia", but that's for an off-topic thread on another day.) |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sat Jan 5 15:38:09 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by Christopher Rivera on Sat Jan 5 14:54:46 2008. Why fight the problem when you can harness and control it?The problem is that you can't control it. It's not like you are dealing with the "graffiti artists union"... Even if you get 100 graffiti artists to agree to terms - there will be a thousand other rogues out there who won't know or care about the deal.... |
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Posted by Christopher Rivera on Sat Jan 5 15:53:05 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by BMTLines on Sat Jan 5 15:38:09 2008. Then don't worry and have the V. Squad dead with those and if they works its more work for the MTA to consume to produce more profits. It's how you deal with it, this isn't the 70s this isn't the nightmare people might think it is. |
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Posted by Christopher Rivera on Sat Jan 5 15:56:15 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jan 5 15:19:38 2008. Its because they break the law that the MTA can profit off it, but they can always pay the MTA for space to produce their art. Either way the MTA can make money off of it and use some of the profit to expand removing graffiti in the system. Once an image is taken it can be removed. Use graffiti to kill graffiti, its a simple logic. |
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Posted by R Pansepcc on Sat Jan 5 16:03:03 2008, in response to Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by Christopher Rivera on Sat Jan 5 14:27:48 2008. Yes, you sound psycho. I think you should let a vandal destroy the outside of your car and your house with spray paint. Then carve his or her name into your windows. That way YOU can take pictures for YOUR book and use YOUR seamstress skills to create YOUR own clothing line imitating his or her vandalism. Brilliant. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jan 5 16:07:13 2008, in response to Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by Christopher Rivera on Sat Jan 5 14:27:48 2008. I sortof can see what you mean. If it is actual '70s graffiti, it is unlikely that the artists are even still around or care that their stuff is being used. However, if it is newer, it may encourage youngsters to resume tagging in the hopes that it gets "selected" to be on Rockawear apparel. For a tagger, the goal is to get their "work" seen by everyone (thus moving trains and tunnels, heh I wonder if advertisers got the idea of wraps and tunnel ads from them!). Thus there's no greater an ego boost than seeing it replicated for them, and people spending money on it to boot. Until they realize, of course, that about 3 different companies/agencies are suddenly profiting off their work. The smart ones would then decide to go through more legitimate routes, but unfortunately the dumb ones (and ones that suck) would stick to what they know, and tag normally.Some areas the graffiti is still there (Brighton line, emergency exits, etc) and they've even installed equipment above the layer of graffiti, making it difficult to completely clean, making me think it will probably always be there. Non-offensive (and potentially "pretty") segments could get a "MTA Arts for Transit" stamp on it, turning something that was a sign of TA neglect into "oh yeah, we left this here on purpose". |
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Posted by R Pansepcc on Sat Jan 5 16:15:32 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by Christopher Rivera on Sat Jan 5 15:53:05 2008. It certainly was a nightmare then, and if NYC allowed the vandals back it we would be a nightmare again. |
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Posted by Christopher Rivera on Sat Jan 5 16:15:42 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by Dan on Sat Jan 5 15:25:41 2008. Graffiti on the transit system reflected the era not the out of control state subway system. It was a way for people to rebel, to show their discontent with the bad economy the horrible state of living they had to endure. During the late 60s through early 80s the bronx, queens, brooklyn and northern manhattan weren't great, the schools sucked, the subway system was a disaster. It was the age of rebellion and graffiti was just an outlet for those, it may not be right, but sometimes its hard for people to scream and not be heard. This time its different the city is different, the MTA making profit off already existing graffiti will not create the explosion seen in the 70s, all this talk is based off of fear and little fact. |
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Posted by R Pansepcc on Sat Jan 5 16:19:54 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by Christopher Rivera on Sat Jan 5 16:15:42 2008. You are right I am afraid, beacuse I lived and road the trains during that time. Did you? You sound like you have gotten your information and ideas from a sociology book. Vandalsim is vandalism. |
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Posted by Christopher Rivera on Sat Jan 5 16:20:42 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by R Pansepcc on Sat Jan 5 16:03:03 2008. You're a fool whos stuck on 70s logic and cant read obviously from the words "graffiti already in the system" you blow up the issue, but it's okay I forgive the ignorance. What I'm talking about is taking a city wide problem and not only making money off it but harnessing it. Try to digest that and then come back to me. |
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Posted by Christopher Rivera on Sat Jan 5 16:22:10 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by R Pansepcc on Sat Jan 5 16:15:32 2008. The whole city was a nightmare in the 70s, the graffiti ended up becoming the representitive of that era, but there were problems much worse than the graffiti, the job rate, the economy as a whole, |
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Posted by R Pansepcc on Sat Jan 5 16:24:23 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by Christopher Rivera on Sat Jan 5 16:20:42 2008. I am not a fool I am basing my logic on history. I would never want to encourage more vandalism in any way. What you want to do is enable or encourage vandalism. |
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Posted by R Pansepcc on Sat Jan 5 16:28:10 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by Christopher Rivera on Sat Jan 5 16:22:10 2008. I think the depression was worse than the 70's, but my parents never became criminals or vandals. Your logic might just encourage more criminality. |
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Posted by R Pansepcc on Sat Jan 5 16:40:06 2008, in response to Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by Christopher Rivera on Sat Jan 5 14:27:48 2008. Here is a sad comparison. The train on top is a nightmare. The train below is a dream. How sickening it is that the top photo has been viewed 6 times more often than the one on the bottom. I am ashamed of the top photo's popularity.  |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jan 5 17:16:49 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by R Pansepcc on Sat Jan 5 16:40:06 2008. Eh, well, one reason the top photo would have been viewed more is that it is R27/30 equipment, which is further behind in people's memories than R36 (I barely saw them in service, whereas the 36s I rode regularly).And yeah, that 27/30 looks terrible, as did about 98% of it. Though, every so often (at least from the pictures and documentaries), you'd encounter a car that was so thoroughly hit, with such a variety of color (it may have even been done by one individual) that the original paint scheme was unrecognizable, you'd stop and go... "wow". Of course, it sucked to ride 100% of them. I have very little first-hand graffiti era experience, only as a wee one. It seemed the IND lines were graffiti free for the most part in the late 80s, though periodically something disgusting of an unfamiliar car class would roll through the Queens Blvd line from god knows where, out of service, hopefully on its way to a wash. A few rides on some pre-goh slants on the K up to the Muesum of Natural History was enough for me to determine it sucked. |
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Posted by Christopher Rivera on Sat Jan 5 17:37:22 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by R Pansepcc on Sat Jan 5 16:28:10 2008. Encourage? I doubt it, artists do graffiti murals all around the city, did it cause every building and house in NYC to be covered in graffiti? I can look around my neighborhood and in most areas and I don't see any, so that logic is flawed. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Jan 5 17:38:58 2008, in response to Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by Christopher Rivera on Sat Jan 5 14:27:48 2008. Bad idea. Once you legitimize the graffiti it's value as art will plummet and you'll just have more graffiti with no buyers to subsidize your program. Let's not go to the graffiti well any more. That was then and this is now.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by R Pansepcc on Sat Jan 5 17:43:00 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by Christopher Rivera on Sat Jan 5 17:37:22 2008. Artists use canvas, vandals use public & private property. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Jan 5 17:45:38 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by R Pansepcc on Sat Jan 5 16:40:06 2008. The All White paint scheme attracted more graffiti. It was almost a "They gave us a blank canvas!!!!!" to the graffiti "artists". |
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Posted by R Pansepcc on Sat Jan 5 17:46:03 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by Fred G on Sat Jan 5 17:38:58 2008. Well said. You are much more diplomatic than I am when it comes to this subject. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sat Jan 5 17:46:16 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by Christopher Rivera on Sat Jan 5 16:20:42 2008. Harnessing = encouraging.Don't you think that if people see their tags in books or on clothing lines that it will not encourage more of it??? I know stainless steel is boring but graffiti is not the way to make the trains colorful again... |
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Posted by Christopher Rivera on Sat Jan 5 17:47:22 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by R Pansepcc on Sat Jan 5 16:24:23 2008. It doesn't encourage cause it takes what's been there for years lining the tunnels and making a profit instead of it letting it infest our system as it does. Ignoring the issue hasn't done anything, how about being proactive and making a buck off it, perhaps the money from the selling of the products can be used for graffiti removal or for programs to keep kids off the streets or art programs for the city. I'm not saying let these artists do graffiti on subway cars and let everyone see it then sell it, I'm saying taking the years of graffiti in the system and making a profit out of it. You're thinking I want trains tagged or that some how this would encourage it, what encourages people is what we got now, where you can go anywhere in the system do graffiti and for the most part get away with it, and if you do get caught its a slap on the wrist and a small fine. A combination of ideas to make life better and give OPTIONS to these people to show, you know if you got this level talent of art, there's a world of opportunity out there, and maybe the MTA can be the system in the world to set up a system to help some of these people (and some of these graffiti artists can draw and do amazing art period) and put them where their talents can be used for better purposes / economic reasons.Besides with the Zero Tolerance policy any subway cars that get graffiti are removed from service immediatly to be cleaned... so that logic that all of a sudden trains will run with graffiti everywhere in the system is a false fear that needs to be relaxed. This city is not going to plunge back into darkness because all of a sudden graffiti art is now being used on items etc, that's a fear based on sterotypical fears of a time that no longer exists. It was a different time and a different people, that no longer exist. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Jan 5 17:47:30 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Jan 5 17:45:38 2008. Wasn't that the idea so they could track down the artists?your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Christopher Rivera on Sat Jan 5 17:49:13 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by R Pansepcc on Sat Jan 5 17:43:00 2008. Have you seen the price on artist tools? Try going to pearl paint and look at how much supplies are... |
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Posted by Christopher Rivera on Sat Jan 5 17:50:27 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by BMTLines on Sat Jan 5 17:46:16 2008. Why do people think I mean subway cars, not the miles upon miles of graffiti lining our tunnels? |
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Posted by Christopher Rivera on Sat Jan 5 17:54:02 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by Fred G on Sat Jan 5 17:38:58 2008. Well the graffiti is going on now, how do you suggest we stop it entirely on its tracks? Everyday I look on the walls of our subway and see more and more graffiti, and I see people tag up trains while people watched and did nothing. What do we do to stop that? No one else is bringing up ideas to stop it... |
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Posted by R Pansepcc on Sat Jan 5 18:05:08 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by Christopher Rivera on Sat Jan 5 17:49:13 2008. I will correct myself. There are some beautiful murals in Philadelphia that were created with spray cans. Those murals are art. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Jan 5 18:10:42 2008, in response to Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by Christopher Rivera on Sat Jan 5 14:27:48 2008. focusing only on the copyright issue, I'm not at all certain that you are correct that the "artists" have no rights to the work.Going by my (now-lawyerly, but professional) experience with intellectual property, the graffiti is almost certainly "a work of original authorship" within the meaning of Copyright Law. The fact that it was done illegally is a separate issue. The owner of the vandalized property (the MTA, TA or City) certainly has the right to clean or repair their property and to seek redress against the vandals, criminal and/or civil (such as the full expense of cleaning, repair, maybe even damages like loss of use of the subway car while it's being cleaned; but to say that they can simply profit from the work because it was done illegally is a stretch. I would guess that any graffiti drawn after it no longer became necessary for a "work" to display the circle-C could be subject to copyright. Thinking about my business law classes many moons ago, the question was posed: "if someone performs a service for you that you didn't agree to, do you have to pay them for the reasonable value of the service." The answer is usually not. The exception was cited with this example. A kid mistakenly (or even intentionally) mows your lawn, trims your bushes, cleans it all up, and then asks you to pay even though you never requested the service. Do you have to pay him? The answer is "no" if you did not know he was doing it. But suppose, as he's cutting your lawn, you look out the window and see him doing it. You know you didn't ask for the service (and assume no one else in the household did either, or that the lawn cutting was not required by law) but now you see the service being performed. You have the duty to tell the kid to stop what he is doing. If you allow him to continue his work, hoping to get it for nothing, you may well owe money because, by letting him continue, you in effect licensed him to do the work. So what I am saying here is that the use of the vandal's work might arguably be taken as a consent that the work is not vandalism. I know that part is a stretch on my part, but I think lawyer's have succeeded with worse arguments. |
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Posted by R Pansepcc on Sat Jan 5 18:15:03 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by Christopher Rivera on Sat Jan 5 17:47:22 2008. I now have a clearer understanding of your logic, but like you say I do fear that this will encourage not deter vandalism. Your ideas are well intended (giving the money to art programs), but IMHO I don't think that the MTA could realistically turn a profit on it. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Jan 5 18:16:52 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by Christopher Rivera on Sat Jan 5 17:54:02 2008. If graffiti is increasing, it suggests the law is no longer being enforced. Ask Ray Kelly. |
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Posted by Christopher Rivera on Sat Jan 5 18:18:19 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by SLRT on Sat Jan 5 18:10:42 2008. So if the MTA wanted too if the vandal did claim intellectual property how can the vandal claim it especially if he uses his "tag" name? Wouldn't the burden to prove he is what he claims lays on more than that, for them to prove intellectual property when they do their art wouldn't they have to say who they are? |
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Posted by R Pansepcc on Sat Jan 5 18:19:18 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by Christopher Rivera on Sat Jan 5 17:54:02 2008. I guess the 1,944 people didn't see any grafitti vandals...... just photographers, forgotten bags, and middle eastern looking types when they called in. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sat Jan 5 18:22:31 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by Christopher Rivera on Sat Jan 5 17:54:02 2008. My home station now has a very bad tag covering one side of the Coney/Brighton Beach staircase. They are getting brazen, since there is always a cop on post at Newkirk Plaza. |
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Posted by Christopher Rivera on Sat Jan 5 18:23:18 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by R Pansepcc on Sat Jan 5 18:15:03 2008. Alot of community based programs hardly make money but it depends on who does it and how well it does, I think it can appeal now especially cause it's unique. However the idea is also insults the artists who find out damn if I took my art somewhere else I could've collected money on this instead I did it and now the MTA is making money off my work. It discourages in the aspect that your hard work will be consumed and used for profit, and the MTA can nip off the other end by allowing programs where teenagers or graffiti artists in general can work for the MTA in that department putting their art to use instead of underground and they get paid for their designs etc or they can work internships and get noticed by clothing companies, advertising companies etc. Its about how its done but if done correctly I think it can get kids off the streets and into places where their talents can be used for their own benefit. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Jan 5 18:23:50 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by Christopher Rivera on Sat Jan 5 18:18:19 2008. They would have to prove they created the work. |
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Posted by Christopher Rivera on Sat Jan 5 18:24:37 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by R Pansepcc on Sat Jan 5 18:19:18 2008. Exactly, now take a graffiti artists and turn it into a terrorist and we see how vulnerable we really are... if a graffiti artist can easily get into the system do their graffiti, just imagine what a terrorist can do... makes ya think. |
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Posted by Christopher Rivera on Sat Jan 5 18:27:53 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by SLRT on Sat Jan 5 18:23:50 2008. Exactly and in this system that would be hard to prove, unless they can identify themself or give themself away at that point the MTA could sue them for property damage. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Jan 5 19:03:49 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by Christopher Rivera on Sat Jan 5 18:24:37 2008. I've literally pointed that out to police officers when they start with that "well, since 9/11" intro. No words, just point at the graffiti that one would need to access the tracks to paint.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Jan 5 19:05:01 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by Christopher Rivera on Sat Jan 5 17:54:02 2008. SLRT hit the bullseye IMO; the existing laws aren't being enforced. They stopped it before and they slacked off, looks like.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sat Jan 5 19:07:37 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by Fred G on Sat Jan 5 19:03:49 2008. You should point out 2/26/93, the 1994 Fulton st bombing, the Brooklyn bridge shooting, the attempt to blow up Atlantic/Pacific complex, the F.A.L.N and the 1975 Frauncis Tavern bombing. All these occurred before 9/11. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sat Jan 5 19:09:12 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by Fred G on Sat Jan 5 19:05:01 2008. Yup, and the squeege window washers are returning too. |
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Posted by shiznit1987 on Sat Jan 5 19:16:57 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by Dan on Sat Jan 5 15:25:41 2008. A sizeable crop of current NYC residents were either not here or too young to remember the horror of the 1970s/1980s. All many people know is the post-1995 era of freefalling crime rates. When that era comes to an end, watch out! |
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Posted by Christopher Rivera on Sat Jan 5 19:26:18 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sat Jan 5 19:07:37 2008. The only reason the Fulton Street bomber was caught is because when he accidently detonated the firebomb on the 4 train was because instead of playing victim he ran into the East River tubes injured and when he arrived at Borough Hall police put 2 and 2 together. He actually did another firebomb earlier on a 3 train but the police thought it was vandalism and detained 3 innocent teenagers over it. If that guy played victim he would've escaped, it was his own stupidity that got him caught. |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Sat Jan 5 19:55:00 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by Fred G on Sat Jan 5 17:47:30 2008. The all white scheme was a deterrent and these cars attmepted to track down locations of vandals by being parked at different locations.The white worked well on the 7, where most of the R36s remained clean, however on the IRT Main Line this was not the case. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 5 20:43:19 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by R Pansepcc on Sat Jan 5 16:40:06 2008. Hey Rich, even with the graffiti, the top location is much more interesting too! But point well taken.Actually though, to comment on the second photo....what the heck were they thinking painting trains white! It's almost asking for it! And forgetting grafitti, think of how bad that white train would look after a few rains and trips through those clean tunnels! |
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