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Posted by checkthedoorlight on Sat Jul 7 13:26:51 2007 There are only a couple of them a day, but the schedule does show a couple of layups and putins for 2 trains at Flatbush - putins at 0625 and 0704 and layups at 2112 and 0005. What do they do with these trains, since there's no place for them to layup there? I have occasionally seen a dark train on one of the Flatbush platforms, but is it normal procedure to only use one of the Flatbush tracks overnight, while storing on the other one? |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Jul 7 13:32:26 2007, in response to Layups and Putins at Flatbush, posted by checkthedoorlight on Sat Jul 7 13:26:51 2007. All Lay-ups and Put-ins that Go to and Leave Flatbush are from Livonia Yard..They go Nevins Spur and Change Ends.. They used Do it at Eastern Pkwy (i dont know if they do that anymore though beacuse maybe that Computer at 54th St wont "reconize" the train) If you seen a train that has its lights off at Flatbush it could be a "swap" from Livonia Yard or a Lay-Up getting ready to leave.. No trains are left on any tracks at Flatbush Overnight... Hope that Helps.. |
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Posted by mjf on Sat Jul 7 13:34:06 2007, in response to Re: Layups and Putins at Flatbush, posted by Railman718 on Sat Jul 7 13:32:26 2007. That lay-up can turn an 8 hour job into an 11 hour job. |
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Posted by MJF on Sat Jul 7 13:35:04 2007, in response to Re: Layups and Putins at Flatbush, posted by mjf on Sat Jul 7 13:34:06 2007. Not that there's anything wrong with that :-) |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Jul 7 13:36:39 2007, in response to Re: Layups and Putins at Flatbush, posted by mjf on Sat Jul 7 13:34:06 2007. Been there done that...Another Reason why i WONT miss the A Div.. I can tell you some Snowbird Lay-Up Stories.. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Jul 7 13:37:28 2007, in response to Re: Layups and Putins at Flatbush, posted by MJF on Sat Jul 7 13:35:04 2007. Hey good buddy are you still on the A train out of 207?I will be there on Monday Posting AM's though.. |
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Posted by MJF on Sat Jul 7 13:42:36 2007, in response to Re: Layups and Putins at Flatbush, posted by Railman718 on Sat Jul 7 13:37:28 2007. Out of Far Rock.Right now I'm out sick. Recovering from surgery. I'm doing well and hope to be back by the end of the summer. |
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Posted by MJF on Sat Jul 7 13:44:14 2007, in response to Re: Layups and Putins at Flatbush, posted by Railman718 on Sat Jul 7 13:36:39 2007. Wait until you do a snowbird on the J that's down by the Bowery and has to go to Parsons. You ain't seen nothin yet. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Jul 7 13:44:34 2007, in response to Re: Layups and Putins at Flatbush, posted by MJF on Sat Jul 7 13:42:36 2007. Oh sorry to hear that..Get Better Soon Brother!! You are just missing the usual drama no Biggie.. ;o) |
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Posted by MJF on Sat Jul 7 13:46:07 2007, in response to Re: Layups and Putins at Flatbush, posted by Railman718 on Sat Jul 7 13:44:34 2007. Thanks. At home the only drama I get is "The People's Court" :-) |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Jul 7 13:47:09 2007, in response to Re: Layups and Putins at Flatbush, posted by MJF on Sat Jul 7 13:44:14 2007. LOL my Mikey trainer talked about that Yesterday...Talk about C.H.U.D City in that Area... Oh i forgot Three Letters can "Describe" that Relay Postion at Chambers Street, R3/R4 Tracks.. OMG.... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Jul 7 13:48:56 2007, in response to Re: Layups and Putins at Flatbush, posted by MJF on Sat Jul 7 13:46:07 2007. LOL i can dig it...BTW Those R44's arent so Bad once your hand and your arm goes Numb its a peice of cake.. I just have to remember NOT to keep hitting my head on those R40's and R42's.. |
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Posted by MJF on Sat Jul 7 13:51:15 2007, in response to Re: Layups and Putins at Flatbush, posted by Railman718 on Sat Jul 7 13:48:56 2007. The 44 is an acquired taste. One hand on the controller and the the other arm over your hand and you'll be fine. |
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Posted by MJF on Sat Jul 7 13:52:19 2007, in response to Re: Layups and Putins at Flatbush, posted by Railman718 on Sat Jul 7 13:47:09 2007. Too bad you missed the back of 2nd Avenue before they covered it up with corrigated tin. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Jul 7 13:53:27 2007, in response to Re: Layups and Putins at Flatbush, posted by MJF on Sat Jul 7 13:51:15 2007. Thats how i did it..Maybe it did it wrong perhaps? Wrong Arm over the Wrong Hand? |
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Posted by MJF on Sat Jul 7 13:55:53 2007, in response to Re: Layups and Putins at Flatbush, posted by Railman718 on Sat Jul 7 13:53:27 2007. If the handle didn't pop up on you, then you did it right. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Jul 7 14:00:42 2007, in response to Re: Layups and Putins at Flatbush, posted by MJF on Sat Jul 7 13:55:53 2007. Negative i didnt have any "Rookie Dumps"...I can imagine going Local in those sons-of-a-guns though out to the Rock... Now why i see why people prefer Lefferts over the Rock when that South Channel Bridge goes up there goes the Railroad.. Our Last Trip out of the Rock it went up and Stayed up for 20 minutes.. |
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Posted by checkthedoorlight on Sat Jul 7 15:12:21 2007, in response to Re: Layups and Putins at Flatbush, posted by Railman718 on Sat Jul 7 14:00:42 2007. Last MLK day, I was doing some early morning railfanning, and got stuck both at the South Channel bridge on a Far Rock bound A train, but on another drawbridge after I changed to the N33 on my way to Long Beach! |
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Posted by Eric B on Sat Jul 7 15:32:16 2007, in response to Re: Layups and Putins at Flatbush, posted by MJF on Sat Jul 7 13:51:15 2007. And on the 142's, one hand grabs the handle and twists, and the other one grabs the tip of the handle to make sure it doesn't twist back. Whichever way I grab and twist, the pressure tires out the point it is pressing against, and I want to let up on it. If I turn it counterclockwise, which is the way the right hand wants to turn when reaching from the right, then, it presses into the left side of my palm, which I then want to lift up, which could allow it to twist back into the dead man position. I end up sticking my other thumb under to the right side of the handlt to give my palm a break. So I find it is actually a bit more comfortable to then rotate clockwise instead, but then that is twisting my wrist, which wants to turn counterclockwise.So the far right position like the 143 and 160 is actually more ergonomically correct, and except from my fingers getting a bit tired from clenching around the stick, it is perfect. OF course, it is not good for lefties, and even righties like being able to change hands. But I fins using my left hand is somewhat awkward. And of course, it has the same discomfort as the right, but in reverse. Again, perhaps the best solution would be two controllers on ether side, with their own keyholes. Whichever one you activate is the one you use. |
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Posted by Eric B on Sat Jul 7 15:37:11 2007, in response to Re: Layups and Putins at Flatbush, posted by Railman718 on Sat Jul 7 13:36:39 2007. Yeah, I see that all of the South Ferry loop is marked with LU position signs. So they have to close it in the worse conditions not because it is blocked with snow, but just because they need the space for layups. I guess when the new terminal opens, they will continue to use the loop for layups, but the terminal can stay open.I see now you can see the new tunnel veering off to the right. I didn't know that much was completed already. There is also some open construction space at the end of the platform which is boarded off, but you can see into it through the cracks, or if you are lucky, the plywood door might be open. |
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Posted by Eric B on Sat Jul 7 15:45:01 2007, in response to Re: Layups and Putins at Flatbush, posted by Railman718 on Sat Jul 7 13:32:26 2007. Just posted elsewhere:Seeing now all of the 2 and 5 traffic out of Livonia yard, and how now they are even sending more 5's to Utica for lack of capacity at Flatbush; I was wondering if it might be a good idea to change Linden to an RTO yard, electrify it and it's leads, of course, then then use it for the additional Brooklyn storage. In fact, since they once proposed building a layup and relay stub to Flatbush, which would curve into the adjacent LIRR ROW, why not extend the track from there, next to the freight track to Linden, so that 2's and 5's would now have their own Brooklyn yard. I guess you then might as well add stations along the way, like at Utica, and that area would not get direct service without having to use the far off ideas of a Utica subway line. In fact, I wonder why they have never thought of that, at least after the layup track proposal (they always think of extending the line south, but Sheepshead Bay or Marine Park might not need it as much as the area East of Flatbush). This was something that could be cheap, as they already have all the ROW; just a matter of building the electrified tracks next to the existing one (there should be enough space), and digging the curve onto the alignment. But that will now be the main roadblock, as before this space was a parking lot, which they could aquire with no disruption to anyone, but they allowed someone to snatch the land and buld a new building on it. It would be nice if a structural provision in the basement of the building was ordered to me made for such a plan, as was done on newer 2nd Av. buildings. |
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Posted by MJF on Sat Jul 7 15:47:37 2007, in response to Re: Layups and Putins at Flatbush, posted by Railman718 on Sat Jul 7 14:00:42 2007. My last trip is to Rockaway Park. If there's a delay in C service the Rock Park will almost always be sent local because that train is not needed once it arrives at RKP. That's a LONG trip. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Jul 7 16:17:04 2007, in response to Layups and Putins at Flatbush, posted by checkthedoorlight on Sat Jul 7 13:26:51 2007. Putin is in Flatbush?Does Bush know about this? ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Jul 7 16:25:25 2007, in response to Re: Layups and Putins at Flatbush, posted by Eric B on Sat Jul 7 15:32:16 2007. The LION has designed a new controller.It is kinda shaped like a towel rack, about 18" long. You can push it or pull it with either or both hands, or switch hands. Push it forward to go. Bring it back to stop. Let go of damn thing and you go BIE. No twisting. No turning. But you do gotta hold it where you put it. ROAR |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jul 7 16:27:05 2007, in response to Re: Layups and Putins at Flatbush, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Jul 7 16:17:04 2007. Of even greater concern, does either Bush or Putin know that there is more than one Putin? |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jul 7 16:32:20 2007, in response to Re: Layups and Putins at Flatbush, posted by Eric B on Sat Jul 7 15:32:16 2007. You could have the actual control mechanism in the center of the console and the respective controller handles positioned on both sides so that either handle could control the actual control package. The could be connected by a shaft inside the console with appropriate connections to the deadman's device. This way one control key could unlock the console an allow the T/O to switch hands at any time along the route. As for the deadman's device, the Boeing LRVs had a similar controller to the R-142s (and interestingly enough, on the operator' LEFT side) but instead of a twist device, the deadman's feature was a spring loaded arm that rose up on one side of the controller handle and had to be pressed down during operation. That type of deadman's feature might be more desirable than the current style. |
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Posted by MJF on Sat Jul 7 16:37:24 2007, in response to Re: Layups and Putins at Flatbush, posted by Eric B on Sat Jul 7 15:32:16 2007. I left the IRT in 2002, before the 142s were dominant, but they remind me of the old R44/46 controller handle which was near the center of the console and comfortable to work with.As far as the 143s, which I qualified on, just one question. What if you're left-handed? |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jul 7 16:37:30 2007, in response to Re: Layups and Putins at Flatbush, posted by Eric B on Sat Jul 7 15:45:01 2007. Back when I was still working for the TA over 10 years ago, there was a proposal to electrify the leads and add some tracks to Linden Yard for storage of #3 trains since it was realized that sooner or later all the trains on the IRT would be composed of 10 car trains composed of 5 car units and Lenox would eventually not be able to run 9 car trains. With the use of 137 St Yard for some of the #3 service, that plan was at best deferred, and at worst cancelled entirely. It would be a good idea though. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jul 7 16:38:26 2007, in response to Re: Layups and Putins at Flatbush, posted by AlM on Sat Jul 7 16:27:05 2007. I don't think Dubya is exactly "Russian" to find out. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jul 7 16:42:23 2007, in response to Re: Layups and Putins at Flatbush, posted by MJF on Sat Jul 7 16:37:24 2007. I didn't find the original R-44/46 type controller that comfortable to work with since it slid on a straight line across the console top rather than on an arc like the R-142s. I had the opportunity to operate one of the similar controllers on CTA and found it much more M/M friendly since it moved on an arc instead of a straight line. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Jul 7 16:49:17 2007, in response to Re: Layups and Putins at Flatbush, posted by Eric B on Sat Jul 7 15:32:16 2007. Just make sure you have a TIGHT grip on that R142 Controller..You will get used to it.. I did.. Some C/R's are getting "Call the RCC Happy" over in the A Div.. So if you dump that train call it in.. I can tell you this though a month or so after going Local on that Deuce your arm will feel like its about to fall off.. You have NO PLAY what so ever with that Handle.. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Jul 7 16:51:44 2007, in response to Re: Layups and Putins at Flatbush, posted by MJF on Sat Jul 7 16:37:24 2007. "As far as the 143s, which I qualified on, just one question. What if you're left-handed?"AS we used to say Back In Da Hood.. You are "Assed Out"... ;o) |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Jul 7 16:55:18 2007, in response to Re: Layups and Putins at Flatbush, posted by Eric B on Sat Jul 7 15:45:01 2007. Remember they have 2 trains that they lay-up at 3 Block at Utica Also..I think one of em may be a 4 train though.. You have more AM Put In 5 trains Out Of ZooLots than 2 trains.. Pm's i think its almost the same.. Along with the 3 trains as well and One AM and One LATE Pm 4 train Putin out of ZooLots.. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Jul 7 17:01:49 2007, in response to Layups and Putins at Flatbush, posted by checkthedoorlight on Sat Jul 7 13:26:51 2007. This guy's at flatbush?
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Jul 7 17:08:07 2007, in response to Re: Layups and Putins at Flatbush, posted by Easy on Sat Jul 7 17:01:49 2007. Yeah he is the Station Agent on Duty during the week..Seem him myslef when i worked over in the A Div.. |
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Posted by MJF on Sat Jul 7 17:49:26 2007, in response to Re: Layups and Putins at Flatbush, posted by randyo on Sat Jul 7 16:42:23 2007. What I liked about the 44/46 controller was that you could turn the handle to the left or right to operate. I also liked the fact that you could go from parallel to series without first having to go to coast. |
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Posted by MJF on Sat Jul 7 17:50:38 2007, in response to Re: Layups and Putins at Flatbush, posted by Railman718 on Sat Jul 7 16:51:44 2007. Another reason I'll stick with the older equipment. |
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Posted by H.S.Relay on Sat Jul 7 18:34:42 2007, in response to Re: Layups and Putins at Flatbush, posted by Railman718 on Sat Jul 7 13:32:26 2007. Changing ends at Franklin is also allowed (by the interlocking), if you have the time that is. - you'd have to wrong rail through President and then crossover. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 7 19:03:21 2007, in response to Re: Layups and Putins at Flatbush, posted by Railman718 on Sat Jul 7 16:55:18 2007. When I travelled to Flatbush regularly in the AM (1994/5ish) I recall at least one #5 consist which would lay up on that middle track north of Atlantic overnight, and then run to Flatbush to run north again, usually around 6:30 AM. It was almost ALWAYS an R62A. |
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Posted by checkthedoorlight on Sat Jul 7 19:03:27 2007, in response to Re: Layups and Putins at Flatbush, posted by Eric B on Sat Jul 7 15:45:01 2007. yeah, your post inspired this thread |
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Posted by checkthedoorlight on Sat Jul 7 19:04:32 2007, in response to Re: Layups and Putins at Flatbush, posted by randyo on Sat Jul 7 16:37:30 2007. those trains in 137 St yard are 3 trains??? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 7 19:05:46 2007, in response to Re: Layups and Putins at Flatbush, posted by Railman718 on Sat Jul 7 17:08:07 2007. I guess the pay for being Russian premier is so low that you need a night job to make ends meet. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Jul 7 19:52:35 2007, in response to Re: Layups and Putins at Flatbush, posted by H.S.Relay on Sat Jul 7 18:34:42 2007. Havent seen that happen in 6 years..I dont think they would try that under "normal" conditions.. They Definately wont try it with that Computer in Charge of giving out Line-Ups thats for sure! |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Jul 7 19:53:32 2007, in response to Re: Layups and Putins at Flatbush, posted by checkthedoorlight on Sat Jul 7 19:04:32 2007. No only on G.O's with the 3 train going to 137th Street would you see that.They are all number 1 trains.. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Jul 7 19:54:31 2007, in response to Re: Layups and Putins at Flatbush, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 7 19:05:46 2007. LOL |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Jul 7 21:04:46 2007, in response to Layups and Putins at Flatbush, posted by checkthedoorlight on Sat Jul 7 13:26:51 2007. Am I just always getting there at the right time or does the 2 always use the same track anyway to terminate? I can't recall the last time I got a 2 on the west platform at Flatbush or a 5 on the east platform no matter what time of day. I think layup or no layup there is only one track in use when there is no 5 train. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jul 8 04:22:09 2007, in response to Re: Layups and Putins at Flatbush, posted by Railman718 on Sat Jul 7 19:53:32 2007. Not true. Since the #3 started running 10 car trains which can't fit on all the tracks in 148 St Yd, late PM layups operate to 137 St where they lay up and are put in at 137 St in the AM for S/B service. I believe this is only a M-F operation since 148 Yd probably has space for sufficient 10 car trains for weekend service. Now in the AM these trains operate in service from 137 St, but I'm not sure if they operate to 137 St in service in the PM or discharge passengers at 96 St and operate light to 137 Yd. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sun Jul 8 05:42:45 2007, in response to Re: Layups and Putins at Flatbush, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Jul 7 21:04:46 2007. No two tracks are used when there is no 5 train service i should know..If the railroad is "on time" a train comes in on 2 track and as its leaving another train should be pulling into 3 track.. Of coruse that railroad is probally worse now with that computer giving out Line-ups.. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sun Jul 8 05:58:04 2007, in response to Re: Layups and Putins at Flatbush, posted by randyo on Sun Jul 8 04:22:09 2007. Unless they changed all this in the last 3 months since im from the A Div..No 3 trains come out of 137 Street Yard,none So says the 07 A Div Work Program which i can get easy access to.. Heres what they do for those tracks at Lenox that cant hold 10 Cars i should know this beacuse i have done it myself on Weekday Nights.. Starting with the 2303 arrival at Lenox.. They "cut" about 4 10 car Units in into 5 car units and put them on 5, 6, 7, 8, 17, 18 , 23,and 24 tracks and Lay-Up 2 trains on 1 and 4 tracks at Lenox.. So thats where those trains go nothing goes to 137th beacuse the 1 Line has so many trains they also lay some up at 207th Street Yard as well. Where did you get this information from? You can always go to Lenox at that time i just stated and see for yourself as well.. |
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Posted by IRT Rules on Sun Jul 8 06:06:25 2007, in response to Re: Layups and Putins at Flatbush, posted by Railman718 on Sun Jul 8 05:58:04 2007. Are any #1 trains layed up on the Broadway EL overnights? |
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