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Posted by randyo on Sat Mar 25 02:17:25 2023, in response to Re: What does a MOTORMAN do?, posted by Easy on Fri Mar 24 15:30:47 2023. You may be getting me confused with Selkirk TMO who passed away a few years ago. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Mar 25 02:19:23 2023, in response to Re: What does a MOTORMAN do?, posted by Railman718 on Fri Mar 24 17:51:53 2023. I actually would have preferred the Motor Instructor title to have been changed to ”Operations Examiner” which is what the PATH calls them. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Mar 25 02:24:21 2023, in response to Re: What does a MOTORMAN do?, posted by Railman718 on Fri Mar 24 11:28:34 2023. One of the old time Motormen I knew mentioned to me that since he started as a MOTORMAN and not a train operator, he was expected to be able to do his own trouble shooting instead of sitting on his duff and waiting for a TSS. Of course even a knowledgeable motorman would probably not be able to do much these days since all the trains are unitized. All the T/O would basically be able to do is sectionalize the train into a “good” section and a “bad” section and then wait for further assistance. The days of isolating a single car are pretty much over. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Mar 25 02:31:50 2023, in response to Re: What does a Train Operator do?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 23 17:20:09 2023. Up until a few years ago, even CTA’s female operators were referred to as “motormen." A CTA Instructor I know told me that recently the title was changed to Rapid Transit Operator” (RTO) since all CTA’s trains are now OPTO so the M/M does ore than just start and stop the trains. I understand that in Canada there are no C/Rs only T/Os who split the traditional C/R’s and M/M’s duties with one operating the train and the other operating doors in one direction and switching duties for the return trip. I suspect NYCT may eventually do the same thong and eliminate the actual C/R’s title entirely with all T/Os OPTO qualified. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Mar 25 02:34:05 2023, in response to Re: What does a Train Operator do?, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Fri Mar 24 14:23:39 2023. I used to try and associate with Boston MBTA people and AFAIK what we call C/Rs in NY they called “guards." |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Mar 25 02:35:19 2023, in response to Re: What does a Train Operator do?, posted by Railman718 on Fri Mar 24 11:32:26 2023. I believe PATH refers to their T/Os as “engineers." |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Mar 25 07:38:05 2023, in response to Re: What does a Train Operator do?, posted by Easy on Fri Mar 24 13:54:12 2023. As i said words mean nada to me only my paycheck so yall can have it.. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Mar 25 07:38:55 2023, in response to Re: What does a MOTORMAN do?, posted by randyo on Sat Mar 25 02:19:23 2023. See that makes sense but this is the New TA so.... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Mar 25 07:45:17 2023, in response to Re: What does a MOTORMAN do?, posted by randyo on Sat Mar 25 02:24:21 2023. Isolating a car (door wise) is a common practice these days especially with kids kicking out windows..I had two other than head end operations mainline done by me in my career... One when the group box went up in a blaze of glory in my A Div days (still on probation) at Hunterspoint whole train died 22 cars Motor Instructor Torres Flagged me to the Yard... The other Time in the B Div with a Slant40 two head out cars just lost power at Fordham Rd.. I had to totally isolate the cars from the train set(My back still screams from them damn portions). The CR flagged me to BDPK that was kinda cool... No RCI no TSS assisted it was just us to we forgot to go Train to train on the radio so they heard us down there at RCC they was actually impressed.. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Mar 25 07:45:34 2023, in response to Re: What does a Train Operator do?, posted by randyo on Sat Mar 25 02:35:19 2023. They def are... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Mar 25 07:46:25 2023, in response to Re: What does a Train Operator do?, posted by Railman718 on Sat Mar 25 07:38:05 2023. *Have at it |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Mar 25 19:23:51 2023, in response to Re: What does a Train Operator do?, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Mar 23 15:00:03 2023. Well, when I was a kid, my Dad called himself a MOTORMAN.There weren't any women in that capacity back then that I knew of. Times are different now. TRAIN OPERATOR is more aligned with the times we are living in, as there are a legion of women out there operating trains. And that is ultra cool. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Mar 25 19:25:18 2023, in response to Re: What does a Train Operator do?, posted by Edwards! on Sat Mar 25 19:23:51 2023. Motorman covers both sexes.Unlike the Romance languages, the masculine is the default word in certain instances. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Mar 25 20:35:30 2023, in response to Re: What does a Train Operator do?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Mar 25 19:25:18 2023. Not really. That's a social custom not a language rule. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Mar 26 07:06:46 2023, in response to Re: What does a Train Operator do?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Mar 25 19:25:18 2023. Sheesh.It's fairly simple, in and of itself. What held sway in a bygone era, has clearly lost whatever charms on the world stage. MY prospective, as I outlined made that apparent. Today's relaxation of "LABELED WORKFORCE",such as TRAIN OPERATOR isn't an annoyance, at least to me. My father was a MOTORMAN. The Title was good enough for him, so why does it bother You? |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sun Mar 26 08:45:15 2023, in response to Re: What does a Train Operator do?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Mar 25 19:25:18 2023. If this gets some of y'all nuts Just wait till they start using the term "Train Worker"...Its coming.... Ill be retired and relaxing in Pompano Beach when that happens... |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Mar 26 11:36:45 2023, in response to Re: What does a Train Operator do?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Mar 25 19:25:18 2023. As far as NYCT was concerned, shortly after we had females going into that title, they changed the classification name to Train Operator.Different properties has different names for .owing trains around today. I wish they would call the title "engineer". That would command a respectable increase in hourly pay! 🤣🤣🤣🤣 |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Mar 26 11:36:46 2023, in response to Re: What does a Train Operator do?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Mar 25 19:25:18 2023. As far as NYCT was concerned, shortly after we had females going into that title, they changed the classification name to Train Operator.Different properties has different names for .owing trains around today. I wish they would call the title "engineer". That would command a respectable increase in hourly pay! 🤣🤣🤣🤣 |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Mar 26 11:36:46 2023, in response to Re: What does a Train Operator do?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Mar 25 19:25:18 2023. As far as NYCT was concerned, shortly after we had females going into that title, they changed the classification name to Train Operator.Different properties has different names for .owing trains around today. I wish they would call the title "engineer". That would command a respectable increase in hourly pay! 🤣🤣🤣🤣 |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Mar 26 11:36:47 2023, in response to Re: What does a Train Operator do?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Mar 25 19:25:18 2023. As far as NYCT was concerned, shortly after we had females going into that title, they changed the classification name to Train Operator.Different properties has different names for .owing trains around today. I wish they would call the title "engineer". That would command a respectable increase in hourly pay! 🤣🤣🤣🤣 |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Mar 26 11:36:50 2023, in response to Re: What does a Train Operator do?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Mar 25 19:25:18 2023. As far as NYCT was concerned, shortly after we had females going into that title, they changed the classification name to Train Operator.Different properties has different names for .owing trains around today. I wish they would call the title "engineer". That would command a respectable increase in hourly pay! 🤣🤣🤣🤣 |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Mar 26 11:37:45 2023, in response to Re: What does a Train Operator do?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Mar 26 11:36:50 2023. My bad for the multiple posts |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Mar 26 14:45:31 2023, in response to Re: What does a Train Operator do?, posted by Easy on Sat Mar 25 20:35:30 2023. Never said it was a rule and I also said for some, not all. Think about when we were kids. Assemblyman, milkman, etc... even the women were called that. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Mar 26 14:46:36 2023, in response to Re: What does a Train Operator do?, posted by Edwards! on Sun Mar 26 07:06:46 2023. Um...I like Motorman, I'm not disagreeing. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Mar 26 19:22:33 2023, in response to Re: What does a Train Operator do?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Mar 26 11:36:45 2023. Engineer is another overused title. They drive trains, build bridges, and mop floors. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Mon Mar 27 08:10:01 2023, in response to Re: What does a Train Operator do?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Mar 26 11:37:45 2023. Don't worry about it, nobodies human. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Mar 29 02:49:13 2023, in response to Re: What does a MOTORMAN do?, posted by Railman718 on Sat Mar 25 07:45:17 2023. That was all well and good with singles and married pairs but these days you would have to isolate half the train. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Mar 29 02:58:15 2023, in response to Re: What does a Train Operator do?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Mar 25 19:25:18 2023. As I mentioned in another post on this subject, CT changed the title from motorman to “rap[id transit operator” because being 100% OPT the agency felt that the title should reflect the increased duties of the motormen. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Mar 29 04:02:33 2023, in response to Re: What does a Train Operator do?, posted by randyo on Wed Mar 29 02:58:15 2023. Thanks! |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Mar 29 04:02:33 2023, in response to Re: What does a Train Operator do?, posted by randyo on Wed Mar 29 02:58:15 2023. Thanks! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Mar 29 18:32:41 2023, in response to Re: What does a MOTORMAN do?, posted by Railman718 on Fri Mar 24 11:28:34 2023. Kev said he used to carry a ball peen hammer with him. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Mar 30 00:15:55 2023, in response to Re: What does a MOTORMAN do?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Mar 29 18:32:41 2023. Why a ball peen hammer? Just use a BMT hammer head brake handle like I did. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Mar 30 18:44:01 2023, in response to Re: What does a MOTORMAN do?, posted by randyo on Thu Mar 30 00:15:55 2023. Unfortunately, Kev is no longer among us, so we can't get the full scoop. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Mar 31 10:47:34 2023, in response to Re: What does a MOTORMAN do?, posted by randyo on Wed Mar 29 02:49:13 2023. No you can still isolate a car still with the 4 and 5 car units...Now if we are talking sectionalizing then yes the procedure is different... |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Apr 1 01:23:43 2023, in response to Re: What does a MOTORMAN do?, posted by Railman718 on Fri Mar 31 10:47:34 2023. Aren’t the 4 and 5 car units of the respective car types supposed to be treated as single cars for the purpose of cutting out brakes and electrical systems? |
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Posted by Railman718 on Tue Apr 4 09:44:50 2023, in response to Re: What does a MOTORMAN do?, posted by randyo on Sat Apr 1 01:23:43 2023. Aren’t the 4 and 5 car units of the respective car types supposed to be treated as single cars for the purpose of cutting out brakes and electrical systems?Isolating a car due to Human waste, Blood or a broken window is the Norm that's what I'm referring to. When one has to Sectionalize due to a a brake pipe or serious electrical problem that's when its "air to air or iron to iron". Depending on the Problem and what RCC or the RCI or TSS on the scene advises. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 4 10:08:41 2023, in response to Re: What does a MOTORMAN do?, posted by Railman718 on Tue Apr 4 09:44:50 2023. As a Road Car Inspector, when faced with a major electrical or air failure, I never bothered with those middle steps. I would go iron to iron and get moving. "Clear the road" was always my priority. We could discuss coulda, shoulda, woulda, later when the train was out of the way. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 4 10:08:42 2023, in response to Re: What does a MOTORMAN do?, posted by Railman718 on Tue Apr 4 09:44:50 2023. As a Road Car Inspector, when faced with a major electrical or air failure, I never bothered with those middle steps. I would go iron to iron and get moving. "Clear the road" was always my priority. We could discuss coulda, shoulda, woulda, later when the train was out of the way. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Tue Apr 4 10:20:10 2023, in response to Re: What does a MOTORMAN do?, posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 4 10:08:42 2023. Yep when you guys come on the scene I always took a step back... |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Apr 4 10:50:34 2023, in response to Re: What does a MOTORMAN do?, posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 4 10:08:41 2023. Smart move.Making service takes priority over everything else. Get the problem out of the way, work it out in the maintenance shop. I would Never mess with a "bad bus". If It felt funny during pre trip inspection,then I would let dispatch know ASAP,refuse the coach and move on. If there was an issue,take it up with my union rep. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Apr 5 03:34:11 2023, in response to Re: What does a MOTORMAN do?, posted by Railman718 on Tue Apr 4 09:44:50 2023. EWell, it doesn’t take any high area of expertise to isolate a car for non mechanical issues but I was referring to mechanical issues, not minor ones. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Apr 5 07:27:22 2023, in response to Re: What does a MOTORMAN do?, posted by randyo on Sat Apr 1 01:23:43 2023. Unless procedures have changed, a 4 or 5 car unit is sectionalized as one unit for major air or trainline electrical failures. However, an individual car can still be BCO'd or MCO'd without needing to sectionalize an entire unit. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Apr 5 09:05:55 2023, in response to Re: What does a MOTORMAN do?, posted by randyo on Wed Apr 5 03:34:11 2023. EWell, it doesn’t take any high area of expertise to isolate a car for non mechanical issues but I was referring to mechanical issues, not minor ones.Which I have done twice in my career (my back still groans from retrieving them portions 6'4 folks have issues)... Which I have stated here I guess you MISSED that reply... |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Apr 7 02:46:11 2023, in response to Re: What does a MOTORMAN do?, posted by Railman718 on Wed Apr 5 09:05:55 2023. I don’t deny that in your time as a M/M you retrieved a few slides (BMTspeak for electric portions) but back then most or possibly even all of the cars were married pairs or singles so that could be done but with linked sets that is no longer the case. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Apr 7 02:49:51 2023, in response to Re: What does a MOTORMAN do?, posted by Train Dude on Wed Apr 5 07:27:22 2023. True, but that still doesn’t require going down between cars like on married pairs or singles. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Apr 7 08:43:02 2023, in response to Re: What does a MOTORMAN do?, posted by randyo on Fri Apr 7 02:46:11 2023. I tell people down here how easy they got it now with 4 5 and 6(7 Line) car linked sets. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Apr 7 08:52:40 2023, in response to Re: What does a MOTORMAN do?, posted by randyo on Fri Apr 7 02:46:11 2023. I recall you as a TM when I was a new RCI in the early 80s. Even then if you had a consist of R-9s with a BP rupture in the 4th car, I'd isolate the first 4 cars, BCO, MCO and go 5th car operation to clear the road. Operating from the long section, pushing or pulling was the fastest way out of a major lay down. |
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Posted by ble-nimx on Fri Apr 7 10:33:14 2023, in response to Re: What does a MOTORMAN do?, posted by Railman718 on Wed Apr 5 09:05:55 2023. M/I Reed who taught the R10 cars at Pitkin learned me the cutting key can save your back in a pinch. We had to pull back the portions during practical but after the smoke was clear locking back the dog after throwing the key prevented the portions from advancing before recharging. I also learned you can use a cutting key in place of a reverser inside the master controller drum. Everything from pulling the DC1/DC2 B2 fuses and resetting the purple fluorescent lights on those single cars and other stuff not found in the R10 and up manual was there. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Apr 8 18:45:13 2023, in response to Re: What does a MOTORMAN do?, posted by Train Dude on Fri Apr 7 08:52:40 2023. That makes sense but that wasn’t the way that the suits at 370 Jay St would have wanted done. Of course everything works until something goes wrong and as long as nothing bad happened, nothing was said. I seem to recall that technically sound powered phones were supposed to be used for an other than head car operation but if none were available other means were used as long as they were safe. The TT report from the command center simply read “positive communication established” and it was accepted. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Apr 8 19:01:50 2023, in response to Re: What does a MOTORMAN do?, posted by ble-nimx on Fri Apr 7 10:33:14 2023. The cutting key as an aid to retrieving the potions goes back to the BMT steels. The electric portions on the original steels were actually brass plates or “slides” that had to be advanced or “shot” by operating an “advance” position on the uncoupling valve in the M/M’s cab. Retrieving the portion was referred to as “tripping the slide” and it was done by activating a trigger in the back of the drawhead on the car opposite the one from where the slide was shot. You had to do under the car and check for a small rod at the back of the coupler. If the rod were extended the you would trip the slide by pulling the trigger. Otherwise you would have to go to the opposite coupler to tip the slide. In any case, the trigger on the coupler was often hard to pull with your finger so many cutting keys were filed to a chisel point so that they could be inserted in front of the trigger to activate it and trip the slide. |
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