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Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe) |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed May 4 11:33:54 2022  |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 4 12:36:56 2022, in response to Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed May 4 11:33:54 2022. Forest Avenue station, view from Fairview Avenue.The Q cars and island platform gave it away. Next clue was an apparent traffic island off to the right. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed May 4 17:40:16 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 4 12:36:56 2022. Spot on! The other hint was the Q cars riding on heavier Dual contract structure, indicating that it was north of Myrtle/B'way. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue May 10 17:53:16 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed May 4 17:40:16 2022. Railroad SOUTH!!!!!!! |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue May 10 18:10:26 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by randyo on Tue May 10 17:53:16 2022. OH PLEASE!! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue May 10 19:06:31 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by randyo on Tue May 10 17:53:16 2022. I love when you say that. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue May 10 19:27:44 2022, in response to Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed May 4 11:33:54 2022. Very easy, my old neighborhood. Forest and Putnam Avenues, current M train |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue May 10 19:30:47 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 4 12:36:56 2022. Yes...the intersection is Putnam Ave to the right, Fairview in the foreground. Forest Ave, behind the photographer....the "traffic island" to the right made by those three streets |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue May 10 19:35:32 2022, in response to Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed May 4 11:33:54 2022. https://www.instantstreetview.com/@40.704501,-73.901896,278.71h,10.81p,1.64z,3HhGqe1cTkGkjrnA1j-pgQ |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue May 10 20:19:42 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue May 10 19:27:44 2022. Toldya!! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue May 10 20:23:29 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue May 10 19:27:44 2022. Yeah. So easy for me, you, Terrapin Station, Bob Anderson, Bill from Maspeth, and others from the neighborhood. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu May 12 20:20:42 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue May 10 18:10:26 2022. IAWTP Someone's obsessive |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu May 12 20:21:00 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by LuchAAA on Tue May 10 19:06:31 2022. Figures |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu May 12 20:29:16 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu May 12 20:20:42 2022. Yep. It maybe railroad south but real world north. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri May 13 12:38:12 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu May 12 20:20:42 2022. RandyO is right.M1 track. M2 track on M line. Same on J line. If RandyO was a dispatcher calling that train by radio he might say, "southbound train at Forest Ave..". Or "Middle Village bound train at Forest come in to the tower". |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri May 13 22:26:28 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by LuchAAA on Fri May 13 12:38:12 2022. I didn't say he was wrong. It seems that he is insistent that all of us, most of whom never worked for NYCTA/MTA should know the directions and use them in all posts thereof. TNHIW. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon May 16 03:09:00 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu May 12 20:29:16 2022. There is a definite irrefutable logic behind referring to manhattan bound Myrtle as northbound. Prior to 1940, the 5th Ave Bay Ridge el connected to Myrtle near Navy street and continued over the Bkln Bridge to Park Row. Now the 5th Ave trains were definitely northbound as they originated at either 65 St or Stl on the Culver. Also recall that the trans going over the bridge were actually physically northbound also, so those two facts combined justify referring to Manhattan bound Myrtle trains as NORTHBOUND. I would strongly recommend that those of you who wish to both pursue the hobby as both ordinary buffs and transit historians familiarize yourselves with the history and the logic behind the transit system and the proper and accurate terminology that goes along with them. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon May 16 03:10:00 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri May 13 22:26:28 2022. See my post. It will clearly explain the logic behind the terminology. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon May 16 09:33:52 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by randyo on Tue May 10 17:53:16 2022. Jim is not an MTA employee conducting a business conversation. The use of actual geographical direction is probably better for the purposes of his communication.[/picky] |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 16 10:40:16 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by AlM on Mon May 16 09:33:52 2022. It should be east, not north in that case, but I’ll agree that Jim’s description is less likely to confuse the casual observer. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Mon May 16 10:57:25 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by AlM on Mon May 16 09:33:52 2022. IAWTP |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Mon May 16 10:57:49 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by randyo on Mon May 16 03:09:00 2022. TL;DR |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 16 11:16:45 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by FYBklyn1959 on Mon May 16 10:57:49 2022. IAWTP |
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Posted by randyo on Mon May 16 19:12:22 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 16 10:40:16 2022. However, for the sake of uniformity standardized route descriptions have to be established. However, once you learn the proper terminology and the logic behind it, it’s not confusing at all. The only exception to the “through Bkln enroute to Manhattan is northbound” rule came in with the through routing of the Jamaica Line with the Brighton Line as the QJ. Although by conventional rules the QJ between Jamaica and Broad St was northbound, between Broad St and Stl it was southbound. To eliminate confusion the TA decided to make the entire route southbound between Jamaica and Stl and carried it over when the M was extended into the Southern Division. Th KK which shred the same trackage along Bway Bkln was still northbound since that was its direction in Manhattan. Now with the M being routed along 6th Ave to Ctl, it is once again properly northbound since it is northbound in Manhattan like the KK before it. Now that there is little, if any chance of any through routing between the Eastern and the Southern Div any more, it is only proper to rebadge the J line back to the original, namely northbound to Broad St and southbound to Jamaica. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon May 16 21:54:26 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by FYBklyn1959 on Mon May 16 10:57:49 2022. TL;DR ??? |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon May 16 22:03:56 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by randyo on Mon May 16 03:09:00 2022. I have no issue with anything you said. You speak in railroad and the rest of us who are not familiar with railroad geography speak in real world compass directives. It was like that with the old NYCRR/Conrail directions. Everything was either eastbound or westbound. For example, a train to Selkirk from NYC would be considered westbound even though it was geographically northbound & vice/versa. That was fairly simple, but with the NYC subways, its more complex than that.I know of many rail/train buffs who refer to transit directions in their geographic reality. Not knowing railroad north from south in the subway system doesn't automatically disqualify one from being a transit buff. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 16 22:14:15 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by randyo on Mon May 16 03:09:00 2022. You are 100% correct.But you have a railroad mind. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue May 17 11:56:24 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon May 16 21:54:26 2022. Too Long; Didn't Read. (frankly, most of his posts are in that category. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue May 17 11:56:49 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon May 16 22:03:56 2022. Excellent post!!! |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue May 17 11:58:16 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 16 22:14:15 2022. Which is fine. My issue is, he shouldn't try to impose it on the rest of it. He's implying that if we don't use the offical directions, then we are not real railfans. Fuck that. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue May 17 11:59:22 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue May 17 11:58:16 2022. *impose it on the rest of us. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 17 12:34:16 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue May 17 11:58:16 2022. Exactly. It’s informative to learn about which the railroad direction is, but it’s largely irrelevant here, since the location is clear, and he posts about it every time it comes up. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue May 17 13:06:30 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by randyo on Mon May 16 19:12:22 2022. However, for the sake of uniformity standardized route descriptions have to be established.For the conduct of business in a railroad and all its subsidiaries, you are 100% correct. For idle chitchat among various people, many of whom are not railroad employees, you are 100% incorrect. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue May 17 14:20:49 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 17 12:34:16 2022. Thank you. I may have to break out that "Philadelphia" image. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue May 17 14:21:18 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by AlM on Tue May 17 13:06:30 2022. Exactly |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue May 17 14:21:55 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by randyo on Mon May 16 03:10:00 2022. I don't have 5 hours to read it 🙄 |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue May 17 15:13:39 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon May 16 22:03:56 2022. Well said Jim. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Tue May 17 15:28:30 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon May 16 22:03:56 2022. Excellent response! Well said, thanks a lot!-William A. Padron ["And so it goes..."] |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue May 17 17:42:00 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue May 17 11:56:24 2022. Gotcha! |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue May 17 17:55:02 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by William A. Padron on Tue May 17 15:28:30 2022. You're Welcome! |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue May 17 17:55:23 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue May 17 11:56:49 2022. Thank You. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue May 17 17:55:47 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue May 17 15:13:39 2022. Thanks, Larry! |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed May 18 12:26:54 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue May 17 17:55:02 2022. AMEN, Brother Fisk, AMEN!!! |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed May 18 14:29:46 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by randyo on Mon May 16 03:09:00 2022. 😑Been a rail buff for as long as I been alive. My father was THE Railroad man...while I am a spectator. It's amazing how a simple suggestion,can "feel like" a win or lose situation. Either you Do it the way I do it,and so many Other PROFESSIONAL RAILROAD FOLKS, or you aren't Really a train buff. While I can understand the desire to establish some sort of content control,to a Less aware,less ridgid individual...it would seem as if You are belittling the average buff.. being Bully in some sort of way... I mean ,if someone told you that today was Tuesday..and you didn't believe them...so that person tells you Because of your nonbeliever status you can never see Tuesday again... wouldn't you find That Ridiculous? Does it Matter if the Non railroad people don't use RAIL ROAD DIRECTIONAL TERMS... NO..it doesn't really..as long as The IDEA of what they are referring to is clear. Gonna kick us out of the club cause we ain't real railfans? |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed May 18 23:16:58 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by Edwards! on Wed May 18 14:29:46 2022. Great post |
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Posted by randyo on Thu May 19 02:11:11 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by Edwards! on Wed May 18 14:29:46 2022. I don’’t mean to come off as any sort of bully, but I seem to find that today’s railfans are disappointingly lacking in knowledge about the history and operation of the transit systems they like to railfan. In my early days of railfanning, I would often encounter TA employees and ask questions about various aspects of the system and also consulted with old time members of the ERA in an attempt to gain as much knowledge of the transit system as humanly possible. I should think that a hobbyist would be only too glad to accept the knowledge that I and other knowledgeable railfans are willing to impart rather than criticize us as “showing off!" |
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Posted by Ble-nimx on Thu May 19 09:29:58 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by randyo on Thu May 19 02:11:11 2022. On the flip side I trained operators there that had little or no questions at all. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu May 19 09:38:00 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by Edwards! on Wed May 18 14:29:46 2022. I disagree. He is just trying to get us to use the proper terminologies. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu May 19 12:39:49 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by randyo on Thu May 19 02:11:11 2022. I should think that a hobbyist would be only too glad to accept the knowledge that I and other knowledgeable railfans are willing to impart rather than criticize us as “showing off!"I have no problem with experts showing off. That's good. I do have a problem with people who tell me how to talk to other people. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu May 19 12:42:01 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by randyo on Thu May 19 02:11:11 2022. Randy, please stop correcting us if we wish to say "East" or "West". By now, you should realize that correcting us with your "Railroad North" or "Railroad South" will do little good, except to antagonize us! We used all four directions when we rode the subways, not just two! |
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