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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu May 19 14:42:30 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by Elkeeper on Thu May 19 12:42:01 2022. Excellent post |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu May 19 14:42:58 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu May 19 09:38:00 2022. What if we don't want to? |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu May 19 14:43:51 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by randyo on Thu May 19 02:11:11 2022. You are entitled to your opinion. In this case, I think you should keep it to yourself. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Thu May 19 16:14:39 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue May 17 11:56:24 2022. Eh, they're long but frequently interesting, being that they're from a diehard train fan and former employee. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu May 19 16:26:35 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by 3-9 on Thu May 19 16:14:39 2022. True, they are interesting, but a challenge sometimes when he goes on and on w/o any spacing breaks. |
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Posted by VictorM on Fri May 20 02:30:36 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by randyo on Thu May 19 02:11:11 2022. I think we should distinguish between subway and compass directions by using terms "subway north" or "subway south" or "compass north" or "compass south" (or "geographic north" or "geographic south"). When "east" or "west" are used, since east and west are not subway directions, they would obviously refer to compass directions. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri May 20 09:21:26 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by VictorM on Fri May 20 02:30:36 2022. how about manhattan bound and queens bound,bronx bound,crooklyn bound.EVERYONE will know what your talking about= problem solved! |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri May 20 09:57:51 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri May 20 09:21:26 2022. Brilliant! |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri May 20 16:23:25 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri May 20 09:21:26 2022. I agree with Thee, Ancient Wise One. Keep the "Railroad North/South" stuff off of this site! |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri May 20 16:38:09 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri May 20 09:21:26 2022. I suppose. Only thing, what about lines that never leave their borough? (although that may only be the shuttles (42nd St and Franklin). The latter is an actual north-south route, so no problem there. 42nd St is a different story. It physically travels east-west, but based on the original 1904 route that it was a part of, Times Square is north and Grand Central is south. Before I knew about any of that, I was confused when I first rode the Shuttle (in 1973 I think) and wondered by Times Square was on the north roll of the R-17s and Grand Central was on the south. Of course, now I knowInterestingly, on the R-62As assigned to the 42 St shuttle, GC is on the north roll (probably drives a certain person crazy!) 😂  |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri May 20 16:45:20 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri May 20 16:38:09 2022. TS is available as a south terminal for the 7th Avenue line. Didn’t know that GC was available as a north terminal.It obviously runs through more than one borough, but tell someone to get on the Queens-bound M. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri May 20 22:38:47 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by Ble-nimx on Thu May 19 09:29:58 2022. In recent years, the “school car” instruction had been more comprehensive that it was when I was a M/M so there are fewer questions to ask. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri May 20 22:41:20 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by Elkeeper on Thu May 19 12:42:01 2022. However there are only two official directions on the NYCTA, north and south and wouldn’t you prefer to be right than wrong even if the “wrong” is easier? |
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Posted by randyo on Fri May 20 22:43:11 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu May 19 14:43:51 2022. These are not opinions, they are facts. Now as to whether an R-42 is a better looking car than and R-32, that is a matter of opinion. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri May 20 22:48:53 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri May 20 09:21:26 2022. So on the M train how do you distinguish direction with your method when trains are Queens bound in both directions? I remember an altercation between a passenger and a TA employee at Jay St when the passenger asked which platform to use for Queens. The problem is that there are Queens bound trains on both platforms, Fs to Jamaica on the N/B platform and As to Richmond Hill and the Rockaways on the S/B platform. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri May 20 22:49:56 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by Elkeeper on Fri May 20 16:23:25 2022. Not a good idea to do since directions are an integral part of how the transit system operates. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri May 20 22:52:52 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by VictorM on Fri May 20 02:30:36 2022. “Subway north" and “subway south” are similar to the terminology I use, “railroad north" and "railroad south.” By recommending such terms be used you are basically agreeing with me. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri May 20 22:57:43 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by Spider-Pig on Fri May 20 16:45:20 2022. Interestingly, there are some terminals that can be both north and south terminals depending on the service pattern being operated. E 180 St, Canal St (Bway BMT), Whitehall St, 36 St and Euclid Ave are just a few that come to mind. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri May 20 23:02:40 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu May 19 14:42:58 2022. Why wouldn’t you? |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat May 21 08:52:51 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by randyo on Fri May 20 22:43:11 2022. Again, keep it to yourself |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat May 21 08:54:17 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by randyo on Fri May 20 23:02:40 2022.  |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat May 21 09:22:51 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by randyo on Fri May 20 22:48:53 2022. Common sense would dictate, since Queens is a pretty big place, is to ask whereabouts in Queens do you want to go. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 21 10:15:38 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by randyo on Fri May 20 22:43:11 2022. No, you expressed an opinion about other people’s knowledge. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat May 21 11:41:55 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by randyo on Mon May 16 03:09:00 2022. The entire Three Stooges Division is topsy turvy. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat May 21 12:13:16 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by randyo on Fri May 20 22:43:11 2022. These are not opinions, they are facts.You are overlooking the basic principle of communications: The mode of communication should be styled to the audience. How would you like it if your doctor always talked to you in medical jargon that assumed knowledge only another medical professions would know? |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat May 21 15:43:05 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by AlM on Sat May 21 12:13:16 2022. PWN3D |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat May 21 17:49:40 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat May 21 15:43:05 2022. Lets stop piling on the guy. He has his ways and that's the way it is.The point has been made. Once we get by all this compass stuff, his posts are mostly interesting and informative. The mans paid his dues , been in the trenches and lived to tell about it. I respect that. Time to move on. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat May 21 19:34:26 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat May 21 17:49:40 2022. I agree! Randy, we have all learned from your extensive knowlege of the NYC transit system. But, PLEASE, no more "Railroad North/South" corrections! Okay??? |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat May 21 23:33:49 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by Elkeeper on Sat May 21 19:34:26 2022. +1 |
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Posted by randyo on Mon May 23 02:07:28 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by AlM on Sat May 21 12:13:16 2022. But unlike the doctor/patient relationship, the relationship between the railfan and the hobby is quite different. I am also sure that if a person who is not actually a doctor took an interest in medicine the way a railfan does in trains, that person would probably become very familiar with medical terminology. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon May 23 02:08:42 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by Elkeeper on Sat May 21 19:34:26 2022. You mean you all prefer to remain uneducated? |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon May 23 03:20:00 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by AlM on Sat May 21 12:13:16 2022. About terminology. So I have been an electrician for nearly half a century. The common plug/outlet in your wall is technically a duplex receptacle. And it was in fact an MD that I helped raise (kind of an extra uncle) who gave me grief about using the trade jargon rather than the common coivilian terms when speaking to customers. I took his advice.As to geographic v. "official" directions, I have, I believe noted two peculiarities before on this list. First, within the RR world, because RRs need consistency, each 'division' has defined directionality. Trains crossing divisional borders change numbers to conform to division schemes. Most comically, Southern Pacific in its arrogance considered San Francisco the center of the universe. So a train from Portland to Oakland (w/ferry connections to SF) was a westbound. In the case of the Amtrak Coast Starlight, it was WB Portland to Oakland where it assumed an EB # as it headed to LA. PRR PTTs showed NY-Wash trains as WB or EB, yet in their regional PTT listing trains from NYC south to Florida, New Orleans,etc, are shown as SB and NB. It is also the inconvenient practice in Boston to use "Inbound" and "Outbound" but on the Red Line these swap in the downtown area. So signage is less than useful to a visitor. Other major examples are in the Interstate Highway numbering systems. Here in the Bay Area we have a segment co-designated I 80 EB and I 580 WB running N-S. Given that SubChat is a civilian rather than insider forum, Ibelieve using real world geographic directions can be combined with a note (RR SB, for example) |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Mon May 23 08:49:02 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by randyo on Mon May 23 02:08:42 2022. Give it a rest already. You are obsessed, which may be an indication of a defect of some kind. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon May 23 11:41:52 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by randyo on Mon May 23 02:08:42 2022. Sigh.We are educated. Almost everyone here knows what railroad north and south are, with respect to the NYC Subway system. We choose not to use them, because compass directions (or actually usually Manhattan north and south) convey our meaning better to our intended audience. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Mon May 23 12:20:29 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by AlM on Mon May 23 11:41:52 2022. Save your breath (well, your hands) 🙂 He’s obsessed and not going to change. As for me, I’m putting him on the no-read list |
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Posted by randyo on Thu May 26 15:27:48 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon May 23 03:20:00 2022. That’s why I use the terms “RR south” or “RR north” as appropriate. That should help clarify things for people of average intelligence. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu May 26 15:31:21 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by AlM on Mon May 23 11:41:52 2022. If you or other railfans have an interest in the hobby, don’t you want to be well versed in correct railroad and transit terminology, and if not, why not? |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Thu May 26 15:54:20 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by randyo on Thu May 26 15:31:21 2022. NO |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu May 26 17:49:37 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by randyo on Thu May 26 15:27:48 2022. Fine. You use them. But don't criticize the average railfan for using terminology that other average railfans can identify with, like compass north and compass south etc"...for people of average intelligence." Lets not come off as an elitist snob implying superior intelligence is necessary to totally understand RR east or RR west, etc. Everyday compass directions works fine for the average Joe railfan...like me. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu May 26 18:03:06 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu May 26 17:49:37 2022. Everyday compass directionsHeh. True NYC north is 29 degrees east of compass north. :) |
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Posted by Easy on Thu May 26 18:09:31 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by AlM on Thu May 26 18:03:06 2022. You sure about that? |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu May 26 18:12:00 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by AlM on Thu May 26 18:03:06 2022. Let me go find my compass & verify!:) |
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Posted by Easy on Thu May 26 18:17:52 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by Easy on Thu May 26 18:09:31 2022. Wait. I guess that you're defining street orientations as "true north". I'm used to people defining "true north" as geographic north which can be slightly different than a compass' magnetic north. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu May 26 18:21:33 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by Easy on Thu May 26 18:17:52 2022. Note my smiley face.I was suggesting facetiously that if you're a die-hard New Yorker you think that Manhattan north is true north. |
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Posted by Easy on Thu May 26 18:31:22 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by AlM on Thu May 26 18:21:33 2022. Yeah, I got it. Just s l o w l y. 😂I got it fully a few seconds after I posted. DTLA is certainly no Manhattan, but our downtown streets are curiously aligned similarly to Manhattan for no apparent reason. Streets that are perfectly N-S take a 30 degree turn when they get downtown. Maybe they are aligned with the LA River? Not sure. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 26 20:28:41 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by Easy on Thu May 26 18:31:22 2022. DTLA is certainly no ManhattanIt is in a lot of movies and TV shows. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu May 26 22:46:04 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by randyo on Thu May 26 15:31:21 2022. OMG, just STFU already. You've more than made your point a bunch of times.You are defective. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat May 28 14:46:48 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by TUNNELRAT on Thu May 26 15:54:20 2022. Randy, stop correcting us and just drop the "Railroad North/South" jargon for our subways, please! |
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Posted by AlM on Sat May 28 16:32:42 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by randyo on Thu May 26 15:31:21 2022. Reread my post. I know what railroad north and south are. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun May 29 02:34:50 2022, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasey (maybe), posted by Elkeeper on Sat May 28 14:46:48 2022. Why? Many times it’s critical to the operation of the system! I can’t understand why so many of you are so contented to remain ignorant instead of becoming educated! |
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