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Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants

Posted by Express Rider on Tue Dec 21 02:31:30 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants, posted by Ble-nimx on Sun Dec 19 09:57:54 2021.

One of the other photos in this thread: one of the trains had square shaped front windows - motorman's & route sign - the other train's front windows were angled in shape.

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants

Posted by Express Rider on Tue Dec 21 02:32:55 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants, posted by Express Rider on Tue Dec 21 02:31:30 2021.

re: one of the other photos... I was going back and forth through the thread and could not find this specific post.

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants

Posted by randyo on Tue Dec 21 02:34:47 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Dec 20 20:22:18 2021.

But the R-211s ARE meant for CBTC use so that means that a center mounted controller will work.

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants

Posted by Express Rider on Tue Dec 21 03:21:43 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants, posted by Express Rider on Tue Dec 21 02:31:30 2021.

found it, 13th photo down.

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants

Posted by Express Rider on Tue Dec 21 03:25:38 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants, posted by Express Rider on Tue Dec 21 03:21:43 2021.

bonnet (?) on the R-40M is also curved above the windows; motorman's & route sign.

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants

Posted by Express Rider on Tue Dec 21 03:28:57 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Dec 19 18:26:55 2021.

this is the photo I was referring to.

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Dec 21 05:13:02 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants, posted by randyo on Tue Dec 21 02:34:47 2021.

I wonder why they put the master controller in the center on the R-211 which is the newest tech train?

Is it feedback? Did they identify issues with the older R-143? I wonder if it's a width issue with B division trains being slightly wider?

Anyway, I'm thinking the mentality decades ago on the R-142 was that it would see little to no CBTC and would be manually operated all of it's time in service.



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Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants

Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Tue Dec 21 13:00:42 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants, posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Dec 18 15:07:39 2021.

The subway was the only reason why I went clothes shopping with my mom in Downtown Brooklyn. I hated shopping, but loved the ride there from Brighton Beach!

--Mark

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants

Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Tue Dec 21 13:05:54 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Dec 18 10:49:47 2021.

Sesame Street back in the early 70s had an alphabet song where you saw some of the letters of the alphabet courtesy of the R-40Ms and R-42s.

--Mark

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants

Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Tue Dec 21 13:27:56 2021, in response to [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Dec 17 20:02:11 2021.

You outdid yourself here Captain 'Kirk' ... well done!!

--Mark

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Dec 21 18:52:25 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Dec 21 05:13:02 2021.

Maybe they got smart for once. Wait - did I say that?

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Dec 21 21:24:21 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Tue Dec 21 13:00:42 2021.

Me too! Except it was with my grandmother. Shopping in Martin's and A&S, riding the wooden escalators, getting bribed with lunch at the cafeteria in A&S, before the subway ride home.

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants

Posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Wed Dec 22 13:33:39 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants, posted by zac on Sat Dec 18 08:48:50 2021.

They were more looking to get people in the stands for weekday day games.

I can understand that. Those UD seats were really nosebleed seats, and weekday day games are hellish to attend unless you've already got nothing to do that day.

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants

Posted by chicagoMotorman on Wed Dec 22 13:36:38 2021, in response to [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Dec 17 20:02:11 2021.

AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants

Posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Wed Dec 22 13:39:13 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Dec 18 18:22:06 2021.

Yup. Not a great ergonomic profile on them. They also made me slide down the seat when they stopped. The R42s had better angles and a higher back (like the R32s).

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants

Posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Wed Dec 22 13:40:27 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Dec 18 10:49:47 2021.

Yeah.

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants

Posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Wed Dec 22 13:47:19 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants, posted by zac on Sun Dec 19 08:16:54 2021.

Like Uncle Buck-style.

Big block Caddy with an engine that backfired even in idle park LOL

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants

Posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Wed Dec 22 13:49:31 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Dec 18 16:56:56 2021.

Grumman didn't recover from that fiasco either.

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants

Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Dec 22 14:33:00 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Dec 18 16:56:56 2021.

Other systems, like NJT and Westchester Bee Line used them for years....

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants

Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Dec 22 14:36:55 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Dec 18 08:14:47 2021.

I can understand being more excited about the train ride than the event itself! I'd have been that way as a child and that way now!

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Dec 22 15:09:46 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants, posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Wed Dec 22 13:49:31 2021.

Grumman didn't recover from that fiasco either.

Yes, and Grumman handed over the hot potato to Flxible.

Bill Newkirk

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants

Posted by Edwards! on Wed Dec 22 23:05:04 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants, posted by WayneJay on Sat Dec 18 13:55:37 2021.

The New Lots elevated line made me like the IRT.
I'm straight up Eastern Division.
It was rare that I ever had the opportunity to ride the 2 train out there unless I was goto see my mom's sister.
I love the way those little cars hit the rails... wheels passed over rail joints in such a way...I loved it!
That made me an IRT fans.

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 23 00:06:56 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants, posted by Edwards! on Wed Dec 22 23:05:04 2021.

I agree. IRT in Brooklyn is a nice little run.

The 3 train is a good line.

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 23 00:12:23 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants, posted by Edwards! on Wed Dec 22 23:05:04 2021.

Was it ever "Eastern District" instead of "division"?

I know it's named after the section of Williamsburg.

The J might be the best line in the system. Mostly outdoors(but just enough tunnel time). Goes over a bridge. Mostly good neighborhoods. Not heavy ridership compared to other lines. New equipment. Not too long or short.

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants

Posted by randyo on Thu Dec 23 02:43:24 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Dec 22 15:09:46 2021.

I believe that at the time the 870s were built, Grumman and Flxible had already merged.

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 23 02:58:33 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants, posted by Edwards! on Wed Dec 22 23:05:04 2021.

How about?

5 line, put-in Livonia Yard, go in service at New Lots to Nereid/238, then clean out train and lay it up in 239 yard.

Lunch. Dead head to Dyre for a trip to Bowling Green.

This day for a train operator is interesting. Start working IRT Brooklyn, then work both White Plains and Dyre lines. Probably be asked to lay up in Unionport too.

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants

Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Dec 23 06:36:51 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants, posted by Edwards! on Wed Dec 22 23:05:04 2021.

My grandparents' final home was 1/2 block from the Newlots Av station. My parents and I lived with them from late 1962 (when we all moved in) to July 1964, when my parents bought their own home in lower Crown Heights, 2 blocks east of Ebbetts Field (by then the mammoth apartment complex had been built). But I was always over there even after we moved out. I enjoyed the ride on the (then) 2 out to Newlots, especially on a summer day at the open railfan window of an R-21 or R-22.

The best part was, you could see the station from parts of the house. The pic below was taken from the kitchen, but there was also a good from "my" room (the room I stayed in whenever I was over there). Also from the front sunporch

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That was the house (the one on the right). If you turn the image to the south, you can see how close it was to the station. Notice the "no handball playing allowed" sign on the side of the Livonia substation. I swear that same sign was there in the 70s. I wonder if the kids today ignore it like we did 😂

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 23 06:49:36 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Dec 23 06:36:51 2021.

Did living so close to the train make you a train lover?

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants

Posted by Pelham Exp on Thu Dec 23 07:40:59 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 23 06:49:36 2021.

My apartment had a spectacular view of Westchester Yd. I also had a view from Middletown Rd up until the Curve at Castle Hill Av pretty much a railfan's dream. When I applied for internship the folks from Transit were impressed on my knowledge I picked up from my years of observing the operation.

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants

Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Dec 23 09:35:36 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants, posted by Edwards! on Wed Dec 22 23:05:04 2021.

All the lines have something to love in them!

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants

Posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Thu Dec 23 11:17:52 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 23 00:12:23 2021.

You consider the el portion of the J "not too long"? It can be in the dead of winter if the announcements all play and the conductor is taking his sweet time closing those doors, letting all of that precious heat out...

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants

Posted by murray1575 on Thu Dec 23 14:14:19 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 23 00:12:23 2021.

I love the J line from a railfan perspective but it's extremely slow especially the old section from ENY to Crescent St. due to the sharp curves and stations in close proximity to each other. However it is interesting due to the ability to see the various neighborhoods it traverses before crossing the bridge into Manhattan and going underground for the rest of its journey to Broad St.

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants

Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Thu Dec 23 14:47:15 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants, posted by Pelham Exp on Thu Dec 23 07:40:59 2021.

This was pretty much the view I had growing up:

Brighton 6th Street facing the Brighton Beach station

--Mark

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants

Posted by randyo on Thu Dec 23 18:28:26 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 23 02:58:33 2021.

But likely clearing at E180 and being paid back tp Livonia Yd either working less than 8 hrs or being paid OT if the total exceeded 8.

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 23 19:21:38 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants, posted by randyo on Thu Dec 23 18:28:26 2021.

Yes. It paid about 9 1/2 hours.

5 line had a lot of jobs like that.

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants

Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Dec 23 20:28:13 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 23 00:12:23 2021.

I will always have a soft spot for the J, as it is the descendant of my grandfather's final line, the 15 Jamaica Local. It was a ride on his train at 4 years of age, that started me on a life of railfanning in general, and the NYC subway in particular.

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants

Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Dec 23 20:33:06 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 23 06:49:36 2021.

It probably enhanced it, but I mentioned elsewhere in this thread that it was a ride on my grandfather's 15 Jamaica Local train when I was 4 that set the spark (and we were living on Jerome St (me, my parents and grandparents) at that time.

He always took transit to work, even when he owned a car. When I was first born, we lived on St. Marks Av, just past the 3-way intersection with Rockaway Av and Eastern Parkway. So he had a one-seat ride on the B12. Once we moved to East New York, I assume he took the B10 to Newlots/Pennsylvania, then the B20 to ENY. He reported early, like 5 AM, maybe a little earlier, so he probably rode "hawk" (I think that's the term) runs. He had a great mind, so he probably memorized the schedule.

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 23 20:45:10 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Dec 23 20:33:06 2021.

Riding your grandfather's train has to be some of your fondest childhood memories.

More important than any birthday party, amusement park, or sports event.

Train memories last a lifetime.

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 23 20:46:18 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Dec 23 20:28:13 2021.

Yeah. J is a favorite of most.

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 23 20:46:45 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 23 20:46:18 2021.

And deserved.

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants

Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Thu Dec 23 20:57:19 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 23 20:46:18 2021.



The J comes the closest to the old elevated lines.

Larry, RedbirdR33

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 23 21:17:29 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Thu Dec 23 20:57:19 2021.

Yup.

It feels historic.

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants

Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Dec 23 22:03:18 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 23 20:45:10 2021.

Not to cut into your conversation but because 3832 was the last car my granddaddy moved in Coney Island Yard 8/28/69, I’m sorry to see the R-32 retire. The old man was born in 1900 and there were guys older than him that drove those 32s when they were new. Think about for a sec.

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants

Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Dec 24 00:09:57 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Dec 23 22:03:18 2021.

It truly is the GOAT of NYC Subway cars.

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants

Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Dec 24 07:16:32 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Thu Dec 23 14:47:15 2021.

Excellent! Thanks, Mark S. Feinman

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants

Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Dec 24 10:39:13 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 23 21:17:29 2021.

Did you ever work the J?

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants

Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Dec 24 10:42:11 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Dec 24 00:09:57 2021.

+1

I wish one of the museum sets would be restored to 1964 appearance with blue doors (side and storm) and the great TA logo. Not holding my breath, though. Maybe even 60s-era side destination signs (not much you can do about the bulkhead, better to keep the A/C than rip all that out just for the old bulkhead signs).

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Dec 24 10:52:38 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 23 20:46:18 2021.

My personal favorite is the Flushing line, especially that flyover express track over 111th St. When I was a kid, it kinda scared me to look down on the GCP & see all those "little" cars scooting by & then seeing a plane take off from Laguardia with its dark exhaust trailing. In the distance was the towers of the Whitestone Bridge.
Amazing views!

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants

Posted by Joe V on Fri Dec 24 13:28:54 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Dec 24 10:42:11 2021.

I suppose a vinyl applique for an original destination readout, marker lights, and Exp/Local across the top of the end could be done.

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Dec 24 17:45:02 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-40M - The Post Slants, posted by murray1575 on Thu Dec 23 14:14:19 2021.

My mother always felt that line was slow, too.

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