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Re: [PHOTOS] R-32 or R-38 ?
Posted by Joe V* on Wed Dec 1 18:36:33 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32 or R-38 ?, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Dec 1 16:22:17 2021.* All dressed up for the scrapper.
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Posted by BLE-NIMX* on Wed Dec 1 18:44:42 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32 or R-38 ?, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Dec 1 16:22:17 2021.* They were rolling disasters without the WH cars to kick them along to make service. This was lipstick on a pig. They would have been better off keeping the Greens a few more months while they ran through the CAP program the 84-8500s. They had to know these wouldn't perform right leaving ENY as solid sets.
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Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Wed Dec 1 19:55:30 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32 or R-38 ?, posted by BLE-NIMX on Wed Dec 1 18:44:42 2021.* hey were rolling disasters without the WH cars to kick them along to make service. This was lipstick on a pig. They would have been better off keeping the Greens a few more months while they ran through the CAP program the 84-8500s. They had to know these wouldn't perform right leaving ENY as solid sets. Wow. The paint job at least looks nice. Bill Newkirk
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Posted by BrooklynBus* on Wed Dec 1 20:01:03 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32 or R-38 ?, posted by Joe V on Wed Dec 1 12:22:04 2021.* They weren't dingy when the ads were translucent. They didn't have lights down the center because they weren't needed. There was enough light. With paper ads the amount of light was noticeably reduced and they became dingy looking, because they were never meant to have paper ads. With the paper ads, they need a row of lights down the center, but that would have.been more expensive than having to print separate translucent ads.
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Posted by randyo* on Wed Dec 1 20:01:34 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32 or R-38 ?, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Dec 1 12:21:51 2021.* Maybe the director of the program SHOULD know but often people in those positions don’t.
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Posted by randyo* on Wed Dec 1 20:05:09 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32 or R-38 ?, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Dec 1 12:13:39 2021.* It wasn’t so much that the TA though the translucent ads were too expensive. The problem was that the TA wanted to charge the advertisers more money for the translucent ads and the advertisers didn’t want to pay the additional expense.
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Posted by randyo* on Wed Dec 1 20:17:38 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32 or R-38 ?, posted by italianguyinsi on Wed Dec 1 09:14:25 2021.* The last group of R-32s had backlit ads as has been mentioned in several posts
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Posted by randyo* on Wed Dec 1 20:23:04 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32 or R-38 ?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 1 15:51:56 2021.* I recall the first few R-30 redbirds had pink seats and later I noticed they had been painted gray. I don’t know whether the ones with the gray seats were just a later bunch or if the first group also had the pink seats repainted.
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim* on Wed Dec 1 20:34:55 2021, in response to [PHOTOS] R-32 or R-38 ?, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Nov 29 18:45:43 2021.* The first pic had the same floor tile pattern as the R33/36WF cars.
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Re: [PHOTOS] R-32 or R-38 ?
Posted by Bill from Maspeth* on Wed Dec 1 20:42:46 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32 or R-38 ?, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Dec 1 12:21:51 2021.* 3594/95 3880/81 3892/93 3894/95 3934/35
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Posted by zac* on Wed Dec 1 20:53:09 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32 or R-38 ?, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Dec 1 19:55:30 2021.* The paint still looks wet!
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Thu Dec 2 00:05:21 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32 or R-38 ?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Dec 1 20:42:46 2021.* That 3594/95 was or may still be at Floyd Bennett Field.
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Re: [PHOTOS] R-32 or R-38 ?
Posted by Joe V* on Thu Dec 2 06:47:09 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32 or R-38 ?, posted by randyo on Wed Dec 1 20:23:04 2021.* I'v seen pink seats in R38's.
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Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Thu Dec 2 07:01:35 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32 or R-38 ?, posted by zac on Wed Dec 1 20:53:09 2021.* The paint still looks wet! If fact i could still smell the polyurethane paint up close. And when I climbed aboard the interiors were spotless including the windows. I don't think those cars ever saw service after being repainted. Bill Newkirk
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Posted by FYBklyn1959* on Thu Dec 2 12:07:58 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32 or R-38 ?, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Dec 1 06:49:03 2021.* Hmm, but 3650-3799 didn't have the backlit ads...
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Posted by BrooklynBus* on Thu Dec 2 12:21:51 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32 or R-38 ?, posted by randyo on Wed Dec 1 20:05:09 2021.* Thanks, but it still boils down to more money. The MTA made the decision to ask advertisers for more money because they didn’t want to absorb the costs themselves. So it’s not that much different from what a I stated. So the result was the MTA preferred dingy cars to spending a few bucks to maintain well lit cars.
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Thu Dec 2 12:30:34 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32 or R-38 ?, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Dec 2 12:07:58 2021.* Didn’t the back lit ads start with 3800?
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Posted by zac* on Thu Dec 2 16:35:57 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32 or R-38 ?, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Wed Dec 1 07:20:08 2021.* Here is another minor difference that I remember. The cars with the backlit ads also had doors without the "shoe pocket" at the bottom. The rubber strip went down to the floor without the flare. They were the first cars like that.
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Posted by Joe V* on Thu Dec 2 17:23:08 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32 or R-38 ?, posted by zac on Thu Dec 2 16:35:57 2021.* What was the purpose of removing the rubber flair ?
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Posted by zac* on Thu Dec 2 18:10:00 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32 or R-38 ?, posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 2 17:23:08 2021.* I've been wondering that myself since 1965.
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth* on Thu Dec 2 20:43:53 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32 or R-38 ?, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Dec 2 12:30:34 2021.* Correct.
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth* on Thu Dec 2 21:19:47 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32 or R-38 ?, posted by zac on Thu Dec 2 18:10:00 2021.* The rubber would wrap around a foot and the train would get both t/o and c/r indication with that body part protruding outside the train.
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Posted by Ble-nimx* on Thu Dec 2 21:33:37 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32 or R-38 ?, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Dec 2 00:05:21 2021.* That was a pair I used regularly on tge signal dolly during the Summer months since those 10 had air blowers and heating only without compressors and freon
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Posted by Handbrake* on Thu Dec 2 22:10:44 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32 or R-38 ?, posted by randyo on Tue Nov 30 00:37:41 2021.* All R38 Door frame posts are 100% stainless steel, compared to R32 door frame posts that had painted door frames with an aluminum cover that was screwed onto the painted door frames beginning at the top seat, and up to the top of the doorway. Compared to previous Revenue cars that had shorter versions of the door frame covers, except R10 thru R15's which had only painted door frames. Rebuilt R32's for some odd reason had either all painted or all stainless steel door frame posts when they were returned from GOH.
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Re: [PHOTOS] R-32 or R-38 ?
Posted by Handbrake* on Thu Dec 2 22:12:16 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32 or R-38 ?, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Nov 30 13:55:02 2021.* R32's = Ten Poles. R38's = Six Poles each railcar
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth* on Thu Dec 2 22:59:27 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32 or R-38 ?, posted by Ble-nimx on Thu Dec 2 21:33:37 2021.* Those 10 cars were called "School Teachers" by one of our Train Dispatchers because they didn't go out on the road during air conditioning season. 3594/95 were the first pair of the R32 GE Rebuilds to be retired. When they went to Floyd Bennett, the other 8 were still active.
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Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Thu Dec 2 23:05:13 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32 or R-38 ?, posted by gbs on Tue Nov 30 23:42:00 2021.* That and the 32As still had the horn above the motorman's cab.
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Posted by R30A* on Thu Dec 2 23:20:45 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32 or R-38 ?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 2 23:05:13 2021.* only half of them IINM. The 3300s and 3400s
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Posted by randyo* on Sat Dec 4 02:47:28 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32 or R-38 ?, posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 2 06:47:09 2021.* The reason for that is all the plastic seats from the R-26s through the R-42s including the shapeless R-40 seats are interchangeable and there have been all sorts ot patchwork seat installations on the cars of all the divisions. The only seats not interchangeable with the original equipment ones are the replacement seats used on the R-12 s through R-22s.
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Posted by randyo* on Sat Dec 4 02:55:12 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32 or R-38 ?, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Dec 2 12:21:51 2021.* There was also a small group of IRT care either R-29 or 33 with backlit ads but the admen on the IRT were not as circumspect as those on the other divisions and seldom installed the proper translucent ad cards making the cars constantly darker.
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Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Sat Dec 4 07:57:48 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32 or R-38 ?, posted by randyo on Sat Dec 4 02:55:12 2021.* There was also a small group of IRT care either R-29 or 33 with backlit ads but the admen on the IRT were not as circumspect as those on the other divisions and seldom installed the proper translucent ad cards making the cars constantly darker. January 1965
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim* on Sat Dec 4 09:05:23 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32 or R-38 ?, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Dec 4 07:57:48 2021.* Interesting. Thanks for sharing. I never knew they existed.
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33* on Sat Dec 4 09:36:52 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32 or R-38 ?, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Dec 4 07:57:48 2021.* Bill: I remember those. It was so long ago that I no longer have the numbers. Larry, RedbirdR33
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Posted by Joe V* on Sat Dec 4 10:37:49 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32 or R-38 ?, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Dec 4 07:57:48 2021.* I suppose they lost them with the GOH ?
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Posted by BrooklynBus* on Sat Dec 4 12:19:16 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32 or R-38 ?, posted by Joe V on Sat Dec 4 10:37:49 2021.* The R 29s and R 33s were not GOHed like the R26/28s and other classes. They had a limited overhaul for trucks and other stuff before they were scrapped
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Posted by Joe V* on Sat Dec 4 13:02:13 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32 or R-38 ?, posted by randyo on Sat Dec 4 02:55:12 2021.* Did these mental giants put transluscent ad cards on cars that did not have backlit panels ?
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Posted by BrooklynBus* on Sat Dec 4 13:33:39 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32 or R-38 ?, posted by Joe V on Sat Dec 4 13:02:13 2021.* That don’t remember ever seeing.
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Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Sat Dec 4 14:16:34 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32 or R-38 ?, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Dec 4 09:36:52 2021.* Bill: I remember those. It was so long ago that I no longer have the numbers. Larry, RedbirdR33 #8970-77 Bill Newkirk
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Posted by FYBklyn1959* on Sat Dec 4 17:58:19 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32 or R-38 ?, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Dec 4 14:16:34 2021.* Hmm, those being GE cars, they probably appeared often on the 2. Seeing how often I rode that line (was the home route for my grandparents house until their deaths), I'm surprised I didn't encounter one of those (unless they took the backlit lights out before I was fully aware (around 1967-1968)).
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Posted by BrooklynBus* on Sat Dec 4 19:57:36 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32 or R-38 ?, posted by Handbrake on Thu Dec 2 22:10:44 2021.* The R 32s before overhaul had a severe rust problem in the upper door corners, if that's any help.
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Posted by randyo* on Mon Dec 6 02:58:48 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32 or R-38 ?, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Dec 4 12:19:16 2021.* As far as I can remember, the R-29s and 33s (except for the R-33 singles) were overhauled exactly the same way as the 26s and 28s except that while the 266 and 28s received NYAB Newtran brake valves, the 29s and 33s received WABCO brake valves. Also If I can recall the breakdown, the R-29s were GOHed by M & K while the 33s were done at 207 St Yd. They all had the center row of interior lights removed and the outer rows replaced completely and the lights were also rewired.
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Posted by TransitChuckG* on Mon Dec 6 03:17:11 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32 or R-38 ?, posted by randyo on Mon Dec 6 02:58:48 2021.* Thanks! Good information!
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