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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Fri Aug 6 14:28:23 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by William A. Padron on Fri Aug 6 12:27:48 2021. Around 1985 or 84 before SBK began handling car floats, there was a mass scrapping of R10-R14 cars on the property, both in Coney Island and Linden Yards. I presume they were mothballed from R44 deliveries but do you have more timelines on those car's retirements or info bwfore they went to Cross Harbor? |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Fri Aug 6 14:34:05 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by William A. Padron on Fri Aug 6 12:27:48 2021. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qRizyrFiPM9fVmAZEX48g_Y-tpNjXm3m/view?usp=sharing |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Aug 6 14:39:47 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by William A. Padron on Fri Aug 6 12:27:48 2021. Whew!:) |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Fri Aug 6 15:31:38 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by BLE-NIMX on Fri Aug 6 14:28:23 2021. I might have them, as the info source would be to look into those NYD-ERA bulletins as a reference from the 1980's that are stored away in my collection. That would be too much of an undertaking if I would pursue it to do so, and if I did, it would be on my limited free time and space as available.-William A. Padron ["IND"] |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Fri Aug 6 15:33:54 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by BLE-NIMX on Fri Aug 6 14:34:05 2021. Great sound and audio from the R-10's going all out on the IND 8th Avenue line. Thanks for the link so I can listen to it in all of its glory.-William A> Padron ["WABCO A-1 3YC"] |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Fri Aug 6 15:42:39 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by CJ on Fri Aug 6 13:14:18 2021. You are welcomed, and at any time too!-William A. Padron ["IND"] |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Fri Aug 6 15:43:37 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Aug 6 14:39:47 2021. I am out of breath of just typing and reading it too!-William A. Padron ["a.c.f."] |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Fri Aug 6 15:45:10 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Aug 6 13:57:08 2021. Thanks for the kind words, Bill from Maspeth!-William A. Padron ["Wash.Hts.-8th Av.Exp."] |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Aug 6 18:48:56 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 6 10:29:24 2021. Not really. Teal has a bit of a green cast in it. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Aug 6 18:55:23 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Aug 6 02:23:53 2021. Not 6 car, but for the first few years of Chrystie operation, the B, N, and RR were 8 car consists. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Aug 6 19:04:51 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Aug 5 16:47:28 2021. Unlike the R-10s which were the only car type used on the A (with an occasional train of R-1/9s), the R-12s and 14s shared the Flushing line with the R-15s. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Aug 6 20:11:30 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by randyo on Fri Aug 6 19:04:51 2021. Did they mix consists on the #7 between R12/14 and the R15/R17 ? I thought not. |
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Posted by murray1575 on Sat Aug 7 07:36:26 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by Joe V on Fri Aug 6 20:11:30 2021. My understanding is that initially they did not mix the R15 with the R12/14 but in later years it did happen as it did much more frequently once the cars were taken off the Flushing line and transferred to the other IRT lines. The R12/14 were often put at the ends of trains since their caps and triggers were not allowed to be used other than on the Bowling Green-South Ferry shuttle. I think of them as the modern version of the unmodified Gibbs cars and deck roof cars which never got MUDC. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Aug 7 08:38:27 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by murray1575 on Sat Aug 7 07:36:26 2021. Yep. Growing up along the Flushing Line the consists were not mixed. But in the early 60s when they went to 11 cars in the rush hr & 8 cars middays, in the PM rush hr building the consists back up to 11 cars, they often would make the build up with whatever was nearby. Often 11 car trains would be 8 cars R12/14s & 3 R15s or vice versa. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Aug 7 12:54:33 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by randyo on Fri Aug 6 18:48:56 2021.  I’m torn between Tiffany blue and verdigris |
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Posted by murray1575 on Sat Aug 7 18:54:47 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Aug 7 08:38:27 2021. I believe that in the 1960s some R17s were also assigned to the line so there would be enough cars for 11 car trains. The R12/14/15 only totaled 350 cars which wasn't enough by themselves. When the R33/R36WF cars were ordered there were a total of 430 cars once they were all delivered by the spring of 1964. The R188 fleet now assigned to the line is a total of 506 cars including converted R142A and new build R188 cars. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Aug 7 19:34:40 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by murray1575 on Sat Aug 7 18:54:47 2021. 430 cars provided 36 TPH of 11 car trains.Why do they now need 506 cars for nowhere near 36 TPH ? |
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Posted by zac on Sat Aug 7 21:13:37 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 6 10:32:07 2021. I remember driving on the Belt Pkwy past CI and seeing all the signs had been changed that weekend, and sure enough that Monday morning they'd all been swapped. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Aug 7 23:23:48 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by Joe V on Sat Aug 7 19:34:40 2021. You lose 5 cars if 1 car has a problem.If 11 cars has trouble receiving (CBTC) signal instructions. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sun Aug 8 10:59:11 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by WayneJay on Wed Aug 4 22:46:08 2021. Action along the IND Concourse Line, on August 8, 1980 [41 years ago]...     -William A. Padron ["Concourse-8th Av.Lcl. / Concourse-6th Av.Exp."] |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Aug 8 16:30:05 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by William A. Padron on Sun Aug 8 10:59:11 2021. I really liked getting an R27/30 to operate on the D. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Aug 8 18:10:22 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Aug 8 16:30:05 2021. I remember seeing R-27/30s sporting DD signs. Even rode on one such train. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Aug 8 19:58:49 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Aug 8 16:30:05 2021. At the time, they seem to want to corral all the R27/30's on the Brighton Line, so that they were both the D and M's main equipment. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Aug 9 01:14:54 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by Fred G on Sat Aug 7 12:54:33 2021. Cyan actually looks the closest to me. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Aug 9 01:55:47 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Aug 8 16:30:05 2021. I’ll bet you didn’t like it if you had a WH controller. They were a terror to hold down especially on long runs. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Aug 9 04:43:40 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by randyo on Mon Aug 9 01:14:54 2021. Thanks, randyo |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Aug 9 04:57:38 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by randyo on Mon Aug 9 01:55:47 2021. I’ll bet you didn’t like it if you had a WH controller. They were a terror to hold down especially on long runs.Stiff spring? |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Aug 9 08:35:50 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by William A. Padron on Sun Aug 8 10:59:11 2021. I remember the Summer of 1980. Hard to believe it was so long ago..Also, car 3186 in the first photo looks like most of its lights are out. Typical for the time! |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Mon Aug 9 09:54:51 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Aug 9 08:35:50 2021. The entire train with all the lights shut off as seen, including on car #3161 (coupled to #3186) was most likely going back to Concourse Yard anyway, but you are correct as lights out were in common when they were in regular service. Too many numerous occasions and car numbers that I had encountered with that type of condition over the years back then.R-10 #3186, Bedford Park Boulevard, IND Concourse Line; August 8, 1980; Photo by Doug Grotjahn, Collection of Joe Testagrose. R-10 #3186, Rockaway Boulevard, IND Fulton Street Line; June 29, 1989; Photo by William A. Padron, Collection of David Pirmann.  Yeah, it was a long time ago. Now in 2021, I see the R-179's with the recycled car numbers from the R-10's in service, including the set #3186-3187-3188-3189 assigned to the "C". This past weekend, it was operating coupled to set #3181-3180-3179-3178 on the shortened run between 168th Street and World Trade Center, the old "AA"/"K" local route. -William A. Padron ["Wash.Hts.-8th Av.Lcl."] |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Aug 9 12:18:32 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by William A. Padron on Fri Aug 6 12:27:48 2021. That's awesome that you have so much information on this!! |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Aug 9 12:21:21 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by BLE-NIMX on Fri Aug 6 14:34:05 2021. I remember when the subway sounded like that!! |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Aug 9 15:05:43 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by randyo on Mon Aug 9 01:55:47 2021. True, but I managed. I never "dropped the button" in error on a Westinghouse R30. The R27 Westinghouse Controller was much lighter. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Mon Aug 9 15:18:12 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Aug 9 12:18:32 2021. Thanks for the kind words on me providing the R-10 info here on this forum.By the way, please forgive me as I had type in on that post cars #3239 to #3243 twice (i.e. as "3239, 3240, 3242, 3243, 3239, 3240, 3242, 3243,") as was looking back at the list while compiling it, but I had a little distraction going on in the background. But, the entire listing is all good otherwise! -William A. Padron ["R-10"] |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Aug 9 17:24:19 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Aug 9 04:57:38 2021. Very! |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Aug 9 17:25:47 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Aug 9 15:05:43 2021. Although the R-27 WH controller wasn’t as bad, it was still worse than the R-10s and 16s that came before it and the R-32s that came after. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Aug 9 18:30:30 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by William A. Padron on Fri Aug 6 15:43:37 2021. Time for "Wash. Hts-8th Av. Exp" reference.:) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Aug 9 18:32:00 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by randyo on Mon Aug 9 01:55:47 2021. Makes you wish you had a heavy iron mold as described in the Pelham 1-2-3 novel when it reaches the getaway. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Aug 9 18:39:14 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by BLE-NIMX on Fri Aug 6 14:34:05 2021. I wonder if a sound byte exists of them thundering past 81st St. going n/b. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Aug 9 19:03:53 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by randyo on Mon Aug 9 17:25:47 2021. Definitely. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 10 00:24:35 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by William A. Padron on Sun Aug 8 10:59:11 2021. Nice! |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Tue Aug 10 01:05:20 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by William A. Padron on Fri Aug 6 12:27:48 2021. Cool! Were there any WH cars retired by 1986? I would expect some of them used as parts donors for the G.O.H. R10s. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Tue Aug 10 05:55:30 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Tue Aug 10 01:05:20 2021. There were basically no retirements of the W.H. cars during the time of the GOH'd program (December 1984-February 1986), except when #3189 was taken off the road in 1984 to become an R.C.I. Yard Office Car in Pitkin Yard.When the program was completed, there was still those ten W.H. active R-10's, as listed, that were not selected for the GOH'd program. Someone once claimed that the GOH'd program might have ended after only 100 cars were done, because of a parts shortage at the time, but somehow managed to get the 110 done as planned. 120 would have been an impossible feat. After the purge of the first wave of R-10 retirements in 1983-1984, approximately at least 60 cars that went to the scrapline at Coney Island Yard, with some more of them disposed and cut up at Linden Yard, that was it for the time being. Anyway, the entire R-10 fleet was going to be on borrowed time, no doubt. -William A. Padron ["207"] |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Aug 10 09:23:21 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by William A. Padron on Thu Aug 5 16:52:00 2021. Exactly. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Aug 10 09:27:35 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by William A. Padron on Mon Aug 9 09:54:51 2021. Yep- not only are the R10 numbers recycled- they're on the West Side IND!!Nowadays, even a deadhead is run with interior lights on. I seem to remember as recently as 2004 seeing deadheads run with no interior lights- almost as a signal to people on the platform that the train was not in service. I saw a lot of Slant 40s running dark in the late evening- Ws heading back from Astoria to CI. |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Tue Aug 10 14:51:01 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by William A. Padron on Tue Aug 10 05:55:30 2021. Unit switches for the mothballed R16s were compatible with the R10 WHs. Being some R10s got static convertors and some had motor generators they could have squeezed a few more in. There was one WH R10 that hasd its original interior blue gray paint schemes. 3210 comes to mind. |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Tue Aug 10 14:52:09 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Aug 9 15:05:43 2021. How many pop-o-matics did you drop? |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Tue Aug 10 16:07:15 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by BLE-NIMX on Tue Aug 10 14:51:01 2021. Yeah, R-10 car #3210 was the last remaining one still with its original blue/gray interior scheme, even after the 110 GOH'd cars had been done. The last two cars from that project to be released from 207th Street Shop was #3037 and #3169.R-10 #3210, Bedford Park Boulevard, IND Concourse Line; November 4, 1980; Photo by Doug Grotjahn, Collection of Joe Testagrose.  -William A. Padron ["Concourse-8th Av.Lcl."] |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Aug 10 19:10:36 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by BLE-NIMX on Tue Aug 10 14:52:09 2021. R44's? None. I worked the A very rarely on an RDO.Honestly I don't think I ever "dropped the button" |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Aug 11 09:46:59 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by Edwards! on Thu Aug 5 17:09:59 2021. There's an excellent video from 1984 showing the L as almost entirely R32. Until then, I did not know they'd run there. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Aug 11 10:04:33 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Aug 11 09:46:59 2021. Yep. Lots of R42s on the J as well. Probably when the R30s were undergoing GOH. |
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