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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Jan 9 07:36:06 2021 Tuscarora Almanac - January 9, 1879 - The Book of First Runs New York City Metropolitan Elevated Railroad Company The 6th Avenue El begins a shuttle service along 53rd Street between 59th Street Station on the 9th Avenue EL and 50th Street Station on the 6th Avenue El. A new station is opened on 53rd Street called "8th Avenue - 53rd Street". Through service begins a month later on February 25. Source: New York Division Bulletin /December 1993, article by Mr. Bernard Linder 1993 Tuscarora Almanac - January 9, 1908 - The Book of First Runs New York City Interborough Rapid Transit Company The Lexington Avenue Line is extended under the East River through the Joralemon Street Tunnels to Brooklyn. A new station is opened at Borough Hall. Tuscarora Almanac – January 9, 1919 – The Book of First Runs Brooklyn, New York Brooklyn Rapid Transit Company The center track of the Myrtle Avenue el between Wycloff Avenue and Bushwick Avenue is tested. It is never used for passenger service Source; New York Division Bulletin, February 1971, article by Mr. Bernard Linder Tuscarora Almanac – January 9, 1952 – The Book of Last Runs Reading, Pennsylvania Reading Transit Company Streetcar service is discontinued on the last two lines: Route 16 Mohnton, 5th & Washington Streets and Route 16 A Shillington. Source: “Pennsylvania Trolleys in Color”, Volume 1, (Morning Sun Books /1997) by Mr. William D. Volkmer Tuscarora Almanac - January 9, 1978 - The Book of First Runs New York City Transit Authority Three free transfer points opened today. The first connects the Pacific Street Station of the BMT 4th Avenue Line with the IRT and BMT Atlantic Avenue Stations. The second connects the 14th Street - 7th Avenue Station of the IRT Broadway-7th Avenue Line with the BMT and IND Stations at 14th Street and 6th Avenue. The third connects the Canal Street Station of the IRT Lexington Avenue Line with the three BMT Canal Street Stations. Source: New York Division Bulletin / January 1978 Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sat Jan 9 08:18:12 2021, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for January 9, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Jan 9 07:36:06 2021. Thank you, as always!!I had no idea that the free transfer to/from the 6 at Canal Street only goes back to 1978!! I had assumed that it was opened up in 1948, when the fare was raised to $0.10. We know what Felix Unger said about assuming, LOL. |
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Posted by gbs on Sat Jan 9 23:02:45 2021, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for January 9, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Jan 9 07:36:06 2021. Three free transfer points opened today In each case no new connecting passageways had to be built, only re-configuring the existing fare controls. The same would be true years later when 42 St (A,C,E) was connected to the Times Square complex. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Jan 10 08:24:05 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 9, posted by MainR3664 on Sat Jan 9 08:18:12 2021. It was an easy fix. All they had to do was more or less rearrange the turnstiles. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Jan 10 08:25:11 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 9, posted by gbs on Sat Jan 9 23:02:45 2021. That's true. The passageways were already in place. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jan 10 14:37:13 2021, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for January 9, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Jan 9 07:36:06 2021. I wonder if that center track on Myrtle ever included track north of Wyckoff to just south of Seneca where there is a bumper block?Also wonder what the schematic plans where for switches around Wyckoff? |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jan 10 19:20:26 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 9, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jan 10 14:37:13 2021. 
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jan 10 20:01:49 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 9, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jan 10 19:20:26 2021. Thanks. I wonder how far north of the station that went?And if there were switches or plans for switches between Wyckoff and Seneca? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jan 10 20:01:51 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 9, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jan 10 19:20:26 2021. Thanks. I wonder how far north of the station that went?And if there were switches or plans for switches between Wyckoff and Seneca? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jan 10 20:10:30 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 9, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jan 10 19:20:26 2021. btw, thanks for the photo.I wonder if someone could go to the Ridgewood library at Forest Ave and dig up a bunch of stuff about train history in that neighborhood? |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jan 11 00:31:01 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 9, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jan 10 19:20:26 2021. How many times does it have to be hammered into the heads of many railfans that going towards downtown Bkln as in the photo, is railroad NORTH and towards Metropolitan is railroad SOUTH. The track numbers base on the BMT/IND chaining system with odd numbers as southbound and even numbers as being northbound bear this out!!!! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jan 11 00:52:47 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 9, posted by randyo on Mon Jan 11 00:31:01 2021. That is why I said Seneca to be clear what section of track I meant. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Mon Jan 11 01:26:31 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 9, posted by randyo on Mon Jan 11 00:31:01 2021. So, railroad north is going towards chaining point zero, and railroad south is going away from chaining point zero which may not necessarily be the geographic directions?I originally understood, (and hope this is correct) that RR directionals, as cited in posts here, to mean that railroad north is going from a branch line to the main trunk line (towards Manhattan or downtown Brooklyn), and railroad south is going from the main trunk line to an outlying* line or branch (away from Manhattan or downtown Brooklyn) *outlying is my wording, a "lay" non RR description so for example, on the IRT White Plains Road line; RR south is going towards 241/Wakefield; and RR north is going towards 138 Grand Concourse correct? So, it sounds like RR directionals are the reverse of geographic directions? But how about in Brooklyn, is going from Dekalb in the direction of 95th St. in Bay Ridge is RR south and going from 95th St. towards Dekalb is RR north? or is it the reverse? I hope this is correct, this can get confusing, because here, if correct the RR direction is th same as the geographic direction? Thanks in advance for clarifying/explaining. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jan 11 01:44:47 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 9, posted by Express Rider on Mon Jan 11 01:26:31 2021. Yes.The track numbers in NYC Transit also indicate the direction. In the BMT the northbound local track is 2 track or northbound. So the Manhattan-bound track on the M line between Metropolitan and Williamsburg Bridge is 2 track. But for the longest time, J and M trains used the geographical direction. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Mon Jan 11 02:22:42 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 9, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jan 11 01:44:47 2021. Thank you for this info. and clarifying! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jan 11 05:13:45 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 9, posted by randyo on Mon Jan 11 00:31:01 2021. The Three Stooges Division is all upside down.:) |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jan 11 06:29:03 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 9, posted by randyo on Mon Jan 11 00:31:01 2021. How many times does it have to be hammered into the heads of many railfans that going towards downtown Bkln as in the photo, is railroad NORTH and towards Metropolitan is railroad SOUTH. The track numbers base on the BMT/IND chaining system with odd numbers as southbound and even numbers as being northbound bear this out!!!!Calm down ! I was stating the photographers view south. Not railroad south. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jan 11 11:29:45 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 9, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jan 10 14:37:13 2021. The track north of Wyckoff Ave (railroad south) most likely was storage for BU's using Wyckoff Ave. as a terminal station.  Line: BMT Myrtle Avenue Line...Location: Seneca Avenue...Collection of: George Conrad Collection...Date: 6/6/1968...from nycsubway.org |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jan 11 11:38:43 2021, in response to [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 9, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jan 11 11:29:45 2021. 
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Posted by Ancient Mariner on Mon Jan 11 11:47:26 2021, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for January 9, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Jan 9 07:36:06 2021. This is really a small point, but actually it was not the Lexington Avenue Line that was "extended under the East River through the Joralemon Street Tunnels to Brooklyn". The original 1904 subway had nothing to do with Lexington Avenue, as the east side leg ran under Fourth Avenue (now Park Avenue South) and Lafayette Street for the most part before being extended under the river. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Jan 11 11:57:46 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 9, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jan 11 11:38:43 2021. Great photo! Thanks! |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Jan 11 12:33:04 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 9, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jan 11 11:38:43 2021. NICE SHOT |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Jan 11 13:13:56 2021, in response to [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 9, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jan 11 11:29:45 2021. Nice |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Jan 11 14:01:34 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 9, posted by Ancient Mariner on Mon Jan 11 11:47:26 2021. This is really a small point, but actually it was not the Lexington Avenue Line that was "extended under the East River through the Joralemon Street Tunnels to Brooklyn". The original 1904 subway had nothing to do with Lexington Avenue, as the east side leg ran under Fourth Avenue (now Park Avenue South) and Lafayette Street for the most part before being extended under the river. I suppose that I could have written the Contract 2 Brooklyn Manhattan Rapid Transit Railroad line was extended under the East River. Many might wonder what the hell I was talking about. The old timers certainly know this but some of the younger folks (those of you born after the great flood) might not. The Almanac posting are not written as super detailed histories with footnotes although I usually include references. I try to make them accurate but also relevant to contemporary readers. Most would know immediately about the Lexington Avenue Line and the TA itself refers to it as such. Larry, RedbrdR33 |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jan 11 14:28:41 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 9, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jan 10 14:37:13 2021. The original plans for the Eastern District Subway (14th St) called for an elevated section which included Wyckoff & Myrtle Aves. Trains to/from Broadway Junction would have used the center express track, between Wyckoff and Broadway to the Centre St subway. So far, I have found nothing about the center track on Myrtle Ave, north of Wyckoff Ave. |
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Posted by Ancient Mariner on Mon Jan 11 16:45:41 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 9, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Jan 11 14:01:34 2021. The generic term "East Side IRT" might have been more accurate and still understandable to those unfamiliar with the geographic specifics. But, as I said, it's a small point. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jan 11 18:20:48 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 9, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jan 11 06:29:03 2021. The Three Stooges Division is a victim of soicumstance. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jan 11 18:39:04 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 9, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jan 11 01:44:47 2021. The rule as described to me when I first started with the TA was that trains passing through Bkln to Manhattan regardless of point of origin are considered northbound. The reason that the Jamaica (QJ) and Myrtle (M) trains were changed to the physical direction southbound was because when operating in the Southern Division they were actually southbound so trains operating towards Stl were termed southbound to eliminate the confusion. The only problem was that when the Jamaica line was truncated to Broad St 24/7, its Manhattan bound direction was never changed back to northbound even though Manhattan bound K trains which were physically northbound on 6 Av continued to be designate northbound towards 57 St. Now that the M is operating to Ctl, leaving Met is once again back to being northbound so there is no reason why the J Lines direction can’t be changed back for the sake of directional consistency along Bway Bkln. Actually, pre Amtrak and M/N days the NYC and NH had a similar situation since NYC trains lvg GCT were westbound while NH trains lvg GCT were eastbound. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jan 11 18:46:12 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 9, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jan 11 05:13:45 2021. Actually if you look at what was planned over the years it’s perfectly OK. Nobody will argue that the A Line which was once part of the BMT Eastern is northbound lvg Lefferts even though on its way to downtown Bkln it is physically southbound like the J. Had some of the original dual contract proposals been built trains form Jamaica and Met would be routed into new BRT/BMT trunk lines in Manhattan which would have been physically north clarifying the logic of the BMT Eastern directional designations. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jan 11 19:32:34 2021, in response to [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 9, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jan 11 11:29:45 2021. Wyckoff was never used as a terminal after the el was completed to Met. The only access to/from the middle tk was at Bway/Myrtle. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jan 11 19:34:45 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 9, posted by Ancient Mariner on Mon Jan 11 16:45:41 2021. Although it may seem to be a small point, I would think that anybody truly interested in rapid transit history in NYC would become familiar with the various stages of subway and el construction. |
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Posted by VictorM on Tue Jan 12 07:55:49 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 9, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jan 11 06:29:03 2021. The photographer's view is west. Myrtle Av runs almost exactly east and west. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 12 21:26:23 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 9, posted by randyo on Mon Jan 11 18:39:04 2021. Interesting.I once heard "the direction from which you approach the Empire State Building" was what determined direction. Do you have any information about the tower at Wyckoff at the turn at Myrtle Ave? Any history on it would be great. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jan 13 02:21:27 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 9, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 12 21:26:23 2021. As originally built, the Myrtle Av el terminated at Wyckoff Ave just past the tower. When it was decided to route the el over to its current routing, the new station was built on the other side of the tower form the original stub terminal so the tower which controlled the switches for the original terminal fell into disuse. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jan 13 03:46:40 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 9, posted by randyo on Wed Jan 13 02:21:27 2021. I'm guessing there were switches just beyond Wyckoff.I'd love to see photos of the middle track past Wyckoff going towards Metro. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jan 14 02:17:14 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 9, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jan 13 03:46:40 2021. There were no other switches to/from the middle tk between Bway/Myrtle and Seneca Av. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jan 14 02:57:33 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 9, posted by randyo on Thu Jan 14 02:17:14 2021. thanks Randy.That's a long run with no switches. No options if there is a breakdown or police action or sick customer and you need to run service around. I Many people say that running M service on 6th Ave instead of to Brooklyn helped revitalize Ridgewood and Bushwick. Imagine if there were express tracks? Being able to turn trains, lay-up, put-in on Wyckoff middle track? |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Thu Jan 14 13:13:47 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 9, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jan 13 03:46:40 2021. |
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Posted by zac on Thu Jan 14 15:32:30 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 9, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jan 14 02:57:33 2021. There is a total of 7 stops on the Myrtle line. It doesn't need all of that. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jan 14 15:43:42 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 9, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jan 14 02:57:33 2021. The middle tk was installed in anticipation of the 14 St Line being elevated in that area and connecting to the Myrtle el. When the 14 St Line was built as a subway instead, there were no longer any plans for a connection so the middle tk sat unused and rusting for years until it was eventually removed. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jan 14 17:15:42 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 9, posted by zac on Thu Jan 14 15:32:30 2021. ? That is not a lot of track to maintain.If NYCT had maintained it, the K probably would have used Wyckoff as a terminal and maintained service to midtown all along. |
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